Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I think Pionk is where we upgrade our RD. If Chevy can pull off a miracle and get one of Parayko, Pulock, Dobson, or Andersson, then we should let Pionk walk at FA, but not trade him. He's been playing to good this season and we’ll need that in the playoffs.
My issue with Pionk is he up for a new contract and he will want to get paid based on his play this season, but his play this season has been an outlier and I don’t think he will be able to repeat it again next season.
Now, if he was willing to re-sign affordable, then sure keep him, upgrade our top pairing RD, and move DeMelo to the 3rd pair.

I think this is maybe where @Buffdog comments about manager mode have some merit.

If we let Pionk go - I think we have to concede it will likely be a step down - at least in the short term.

Pionk is a top 10 rhd in points this year. There is very little likelihood we improve on that. We may get a better defensive forward. But even that is up for debate.

My stance is we may have to reluctantly let Pionk go because his price is too high, but I’m going in eyes open to the fact it will likely be a drop off in the position. It’s just about minimizing the drop off and hopefully having someone with a high ceiling that can get there quickly. Salo?

 

[Heldig]

If we picked up at mid 6 winger, like Rackell or Bjorkstrand, who do they put in the press box?

It's Perfetti, not Appleton, right?

Iafallo? Barron?

One of the 4th liners.

Connor - Scheifele - Vilardi
Ehlers - Lowry - Rackell/Bjorgstrand
Perfetti - Namestnikov - Iafallo
Niedereitter - Kupari - Appleton

 

[CanMerc]

I think this is maybe where @Buffdog comments about manager mode have some merit.

If we let Pionk go - I think we have to concede it will likely be a step down - at least in the short term.

Pionk is a top 10 rhd in points this year. There is very little likelihood we improve on that. We may get a better defensive forward. But even that is up for debate.

My stance is we may have to reluctantly let Pionk go because his price is too high, but I’m going in eyes open to the fact it will likely be a drop off in the position. It’s just about minimizing the drop off and hopefully having someone with a high ceiling that can get there quickly. Salo?

That’s assuming Pionk can replicate this seasons play and production moving forward, which I think is unlikely

I see your crazy trade and elevate it:

to leafs: wpg 2025 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, Logan Stanley

To Oilers: Matthews

To Jets: Mcdavid, draisaitl, Logan Stanley returned

If you’re going for crazy, why not insanity

Addendum: both beer & wine were involved in the birthing process of this post

(Second addendum - not meant to offend, my fellow Jets bro)

What….no Crosby?

 

[Buffdog]

I think this is maybe where @Buffdog comments about manager mode have some merit.

If we let Pionk go - I think we have to concede it will likely be a step down - at least in the short term.

Pionk is a top 10 rhd in points this year. There is very little likelihood we improve on that. We may get a better defensive forward. But even that is up for debate.

My stance is we may have to reluctantly let Pionk go because his price is too high, but I’m going in eyes open to the fact it will likely be a drop off in the position. It’s just about minimizing the drop off and hopefully having someone with a high ceiling that can get there quickly. Salo?

Chevy always seems to find a way to get fair deals done with guys who want to be here

If I'm Pionk's agent, I'm saying all the things that you're saying in order to squeeze every penny (or year of term) out of Chevy.

I'm not sure how high is "too high" for a Pionk contract because I haven't really looked at comps, but I'm guessing he'll fall somewhere between 7M and 8M?

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Chevy always seems to find a way to get fair deals done with guys who want to be here

If I'm Pionk's agent, I'm saying all the things that you're saying in order to squeeze every penny (or year of term) out of Chevy.

I'm not sure how high is "too high" for a Pionk contract because I haven't really looked at comps, but I'm guessing he'll fall somewhere between 7M and 8M?

I think if he goes to market he gets over 8 mil. For the reasons you’ve sited. Offensive rhds that can qb pp and play pk don’t grow on trees.

I literally have no idea what anyone’s worth this year. How much will Vilardi and Samberg get? The costs might shock us.

That’s assuming Pionk can replicate this seasons play and production moving forward, which I think is unlikely


What….no Crosby?

Well are you talking about improving on Pionk this year - or what we hypothetically think he’ll produce next year?

I don’t disagree with the assessment pionks production will likely drop. Just don’t understand what we are assessing improvement on then?

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

One of the 4th liners.

Connor - Scheifele - Vilardi
Ehlers - Lowry - Rackell/Bjorgstrand
Perfetti - Namestnikov - Iafallo
Niedereitter - Kupari - Appleton

Gross. That makes me concerned about 3 lines now.

And I love Lowry - but if we are going into the playoffs with him at 2 c I would be extremely worried.

If we had a Braden schenn or Ryan o Reilly as 2c - they could slide into 1C if scheifele gets banged up. Are we moving Lowry or names up? Ughh.

 

[Bwadlay2]

Gross. That makes me concerned about 3 lines now.

And I love Lowry - but if we are going into the playoffs with him at 2 c I would be extremely worried.

If we had a Braden schenn or Ryan o Reilly as 2c - they could slide into 1C if scheifele gets banged up. Are we moving Lowry or names up? Ughh.

Big "If".
Chevy can try but chances are we won't get a Schenn or ROR.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Big "If".
Chevy can try but chances are we won't get a Schenn or ROR.

Agreed. Specific players aside - I think we need to do something at 2c or don’t think we are set up for a deep playoff run.

Lowry isn’t the answer.

 

[Flair Hay]

I'm not sure why the Jets need more defense for that line. Jets are tops in the NHL in goals against and that line of Ehlers-Namestnikov-Perfetti has been quite strong defensively. My larger concern is that the Jets' rely a lot on their PP for offense and if the Scheifele line is shut down in the playoffs they won't have enough secondary scoring. If they are looking to strengthen their middle 6 forward lines I think they need to consider adding a forward that can improve the offense either with Ehlers line or perhaps replacing Appleton.

That line is also sheltered and plays less minutes currently. That could change.

If adding a guy - who would have top 5 defensive center in the NHL metrics in our system - isn't a fit because of footspeed... then I'd really want to quantify how slow ROR is these days before excluding him. It's not like Lowry is all that fast or agile...

Other than J Mo has any Jets defenseman had a real good playoff? What separates Pionk from Samberg, De Melo, and Stanley in the playoffs, other than his very last playoff game? Pionk's stepped up as the #1 when Morrissey was out, I'm not sure anyone else on this team could handle those minutes.

It's possible that adding Ristolainen could be trying to get 3 good d pairings like the Jets had 2018 and 2019. If Scott Arniel is a big enough fan to start Stanley in the playoffs is Ristolainen a better fit to generate offense than Miller? And at least a form of insurance if De Melo goes down or struggles? I'd say Ristolainen is probably better suited to a 22-24 minute game than De Melo.

This is one player I could see Chevy considering, but more because he is unsure of De Melo , instead of Pionk. A little competition for playing time never hurt. And I don't think it would close the door on re-signing Pionk but make the playoffs the case for it.

Getting a 2nd pair calibre guy for 3rd pair with size, physicality, shot blocking, strong PK and competent puck moving would help a lot.

It will ease the burden on Pionk and DeMelo, improve our teams arguably biggest weakness and provide top 4 insurance.

Ditto for the left side, as Stanley at this time is not at that level.

Ferraro, Oleksiak, Ristolainen, Savard and a lot more all fit this description to a different degree.

What price point we can afford depends on what we do at forward.

Just dont understand why they dont use miller on the pk...

He has done it in the past, it's an interesting question.

 

[DRW204]

i have really liked ROR in previous years, but this year's version has not been that great tbh. obviously playing on a poor team bleeds into his stats/outcomes though, like last year he appeared to be v good on a good team.

comparing to Lowry: Lowry does not get PP time, & absence of the PP; Lowry has been a bit of a better/efficient scorer. maybe ROR does get some PP time here b/c of FO ability though.

Speed has always been a concern w/ RORs game. not sure if having him & perfetti on the same line bodes well. anecdotally speaking, i've seen many occasions ehlers rushing down the ice solo trying to take advantage of defenders w/ linemates like perfetti unable to keep up, which eventually leads to the commentary of dipsy doodling & "doing nothing"..... i don't know how ROR would fair in terms of high rush-offense at this stage of his career. Id take him over Namestnikov, but i still think you would need a better shooter & player that can play at a higher pace on the other wing if it is Ehlers/ROR/X.

NHL tracks speed stats, im more interested in frequency of achieving certain speeds, rather than a single time measurement of top-speed... this sorted by the middle tier: frequency hitting 20 mph/gp. this obviously isn't the be-all-end-all or a single indicator of player quality, however gives a scale or reference of how fast a fwd plays comparatively.

lowry actually rates quite well in this. & NSH is v slow (@abax44 ) overall.

 

[ps241]

The point remains that no-one has yet to give a reason why O'Reilly would want to come here for a number of years to finish his career. The guy has his cup and likely is fine staying in Nashville over coming here.

I don't believe he has any movement restrictions although its harder to tell for me without Capfriendly.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

While Pionk has pulled his game together and has clear chemistry with Samberg, I don't think its as much of a disaster as we think if he leaves... Miller is absolutely underused right now

Jomo-Demelo
Samberg-Miller
Stan-Salo/Heinola

Or of course we just sign Kovacevic during free agency... and all our problems are solved

The Jets need to wake up and draft defencemen... Kelven or Faber would be a lot more valuable than Torgersson etc...

I don't believe he has any movement restrictions although its harder to tell for me without Capfriendly.

Puckpedia is pretty good

 

[Buffdog]

I don't believe he has any movement restrictions although its harder to tell for me without Capfriendly.

He doesn't, but Preds fans seem to believe that Trotz wouldn't deal him without his OK - which is fine with me because I wouldn't want someone who didn't want to be here anyway... and I don't think the guys in the room would either

 

[Moloch]

I think Pionk is where we upgrade our RD. If Chevy can pull off a miracle and get one of Parayko, Pulock, Dobson, or Andersson, then we should let Pionk walk at FA, but not trade him. He's been playing to good this season and we’ll need that in the playoffs.
My issue with Pionk is he up for a new contract and he will want to get paid based on his play this season, but his play this season has been an outlier and I don’t think he will be able to repeat it again next season.
Now, if he was willing to re-sign affordable, then sure keep him, upgrade our top pairing RD, and move DeMelo to the 3rd pair.

Thinking we'd be better off with Parayko in Pionk's spot is delusional.

 

[10Ducky10]

He doesn't, but Preds fans seem to believe that Trotz wouldn't deal him without his OK - which is fine with me because I wouldn't want someone who didn't want to be here anyway... and I don't think the guys in the room would either

I definitely don't want anybody that doesn't want to be here. I don't think Tofolli wanted to be here.

 

[Buffdog]

I definitely don't want anybody that doesn't want to be here. I don't think Tofolli wanted to be here.

Yeah, you'd think with a rental it wouldn't be a big deal but both him and Kevin Hayes both seemed to be poison

 

[gojetsgo]

Kevin Cheveldayoff is involved in all kinds of different trade conversations, but the veteran GM isn’t expected to take a jackhammer to a roster that’s racked up the NHL’s best points percentage and an eye-popping plus-71 goal differential. The situation is similar to the one in Washington. Among the items on Cheveldayoff’s shopping list are a depth defenseman and a bottom-six forward who has the ability to jump into the top six for a spell should an injury necessitate it. As a result, the Jets are among the teams calling on Jake Evans, Joel Armia, Ryan Donato and others.

I really hope it's not armia...

 

[10Ducky10]

Armia in the top 6?
I'd be ok with Donato.

It would be nice to get a player with size that can step up if need be.

 

[CanMerc]

I saw an article suggesting a Rantanen for Ehlers + Kupari deal

Kevin Cheveldayoff is involved in all kinds of different trade conversations, but the veteran GM isn’t expected to take a jackhammer to a roster that’s racked up the NHL’s best points percentage and an eye-popping plus-71 goal differential. The situation is similar to the one in Washington. Among the items on Cheveldayoff’s shopping list are a depth defenseman and a bottom-six forward who has the ability to jump into the top six for a spell should an injury necessitate it. As a result, the Jets are among the teams calling on Jake Evans, Joel Armia, Ryan Donato and others.

I really hope it's not armia...

None of those names is intriguing…if depth is the goal, which would be a waste of this teams production this season, then find better options

 

[gojetsgo]

friedman on 32 thoughts said if the jets don't get the biggest name it's not for a lack of trying

 

[ps241]

Or Trotz thinks this is a one off year and keeps his vets and uses the abundance of picks he has to build around his vets in the offaeason.

Hard to say which way they lean here but he has 5 picks in the first two rounds this draft.

So heading into last July he was loading up on draft picks for the future while taking a shot with aging free agents. He was trying to thread the needle. The short term plan has been a total disaster I wonder if that impacts what Barry does at the TD?

Line up:

Forsberg 30 is there one prized asset in his mid prime.
Marchessault 34 has 45 points
Josi will be 35 this June great player having an off season 38 points
ROR 33 with 36 points
Stamkos 35 in 60 games has 33 points.

After that there is a big drop off to players with around the same scoring level as Iaffalo (20-21 points).

I assume Barry is taking allot of heat right now and fans are wondering what the plan is?

 

[Whileee]

That line is also sheltered and plays less minutes currently. That could change.

If adding a guy - who would have top 5 defensive center in the NHL metrics in our system - isn't a fit because of footspeed... then I'd really want to quantify how slow ROR is these days before excluding him. It's not like Lowry is all that fast or agile...


Getting a 2nd pair calibre guy for 3rd pair with size, physicality, shot blocking, strong PK and competent puck moving would help a lot.

It will ease the burden on Pionk and DeMelo, improve our teams arguably biggest weakness and provide top 4 insurance.

Ditto for the left side, as Stanley at this time is not at that level.

Ferraro, Oleksiak, Ristolainen, Savard and a lot more all fit this description to a different degree.

What price point we can afford depends on what we do at forward.


He has done it in the past, it's an interesting question.

From NHL Edge data. ROR (top) and Lowry (bottom). ROR is a lot slower than Lowry and is less than 50th% among NHL forwards in fast speed bursts.

He can still be effective, but he's slower than Perfetti according to these measures, which isn't ideal for a C in the Jets' system.

 

[ps241]

He doesn't, but Preds fans seem to believe that Trotz wouldn't deal him without his OK - which is fine with me because I wouldn't want someone who didn't want to be here anyway... and I don't think the guys in the room would either

Yup I am fine with that too. I would rather role with Names than any player that isn't into it.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[surixon]

From NHL Edge data. ROR (top) and Lowry (bottom). ROR is a lot slower than Lowry and is less than 50th% among NHL forwards in fast speed bursts.

He can still be effective, but he's slower than Perfetti according to these measures, which isn't ideal for a C in the Jets' system.
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Agreed. I would like a center with speed if we are upgrading on Namestnikov.

Personally I think upgrading the bottom 6 in terms of adding a bit more scoring is where there are gains to be made. Our fourth line scores next to nothing this year. Maybe a Laughton can jump start some tertiary offense there.

But I'll be happy when the deadline comes and goes. It gets a bit silly around this time of the year where media people are doing their best to whip up a craze for clicks and coverage.