Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[RustyCat]

Can't shake the feeling Chevy pries Lawson Crouse out of Utah. He's having a down year but is typically a 20+g/20+a/40+ pts player with 2 years left on his contract.

Oh, and he has no trade protection.

Him, Lowry, and Nino would be an absolute menace to play against.

 

[Flair Hay]

Confessions of a rental Dove.

Let’s start off by saying I have zero idea what Nashville is up too and if their GM was a driver I would pull him over to check for DUI, short of that he might need to be tested for concussion. Last summer after one decent outlier season where they made it into the playoffs with an older core as a Wild card team Trotts decides to go all in on July 1st for what exactly?? He signed 34 year old Stamkos to 4 x $8 Million, 33 year old Marchessault to 5 x $5.5 million, and 30 year old Skjei to a 7 x $7 million. He added this to Forsberg (30), Nyquist 35, Josi (34), and O’Reilly (34). I mean what the actual f*** Barry? How did this insane, on paper, impulse shopping spree work out for Barry you ask??…….checks NHL.com and as of this morning the Preds are 30th in the league standings with a team that has aged out???????

So @Flair Hay I have summarized this steaming pile of dog #@$% to lay the ground work to say, I HAVE NO IDEA if they will be selling O’Reilly at the deadline? I will not try to apply any logic to what they should do because they are not working off any form of a logical plan

As an exercise in what if. Let’s assume for now O’Reilly is getting shopped

I have written novels on here about how I am a very anti pure rental guy but I would “make a hockey trade” for O’Reilly in a heartbeat.

You have built a good case of why he is “most suited” to the Jets and of course we don’t know until we plug him in.

The downside is he just turned 34 a few weeks ago and players can fall off a cliff anytime in their mid 30’s.

The positives are well worth the risk so I would go for it. ROR has a very manageable cap hit for as long as he can play 2nd line centre, and hopefully when he ages out Yager is ready to step in.

We get ROR for this spring and two more seasons if we choose or we can always trade him if he doesn’t work out.

Its logical if you think Barry thinks like a coach and GM's like a coach, haha

Coaches think 30+ is a good thing, GM's have to be more big picture...

 

[Heldig]

Can't shake the feeling Chevy pries Lawson Crouse out of Utah. He's having a down year but is typically a 20+g/20+a/40+ pts player with 2 years left on his contract.

Oh, and he has no trade protection.

Interesting.

He is available. Definitely having a poor season...combo baby hangover and moving?

While he has scored 20+ the previous 3 seasons he has only had 20+ assists once in 10 season. On pace for 6 this year.

He is still physical but nothing like he was earlier in his career. Still a very good PKer.

 

[Flair Hay]

Just noting that O'Reilly makes Lowry and Namestnikov look fast. He's in the Perfetti class of skaters. Can the Jets thrive without a lot of speed in their middle 6 F? I'm not so sure.

ROR has a lot of miles on him, too. If he gets any slower in the coming seasons he'll be of little use.

I have been a fan of ROR but he needs to fit the Jets system and personnel at this point, too.

He still drives possession, scores goals, creates assists and suppresses higher danger shots at a higher level than Namestnikov. With the team contexts taken into account it's not close. The speed at center is nice and Namestnikov has been a good soldier.

I'll take excellent defense over speed at the center position any day. Both would be nice but if we have to make the choice...

 

[Buffdog]

Its logical if you think Barry thinks like a coach and GM's like a coach, haha

Coaches think 30+ is a good thing, GM's have to be more big picture...

The weirdest thing to me is that those good Preds teams that Trotz coached for years were, for the most part, draft and develop

Then, his first moves as a GM is to load up on expensive old UFAs

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

If sabres are insane enough to trade Tuch then hes by far at the top of the list...

CSV
Ehlers-Lowry-Tuch
Nino-names-perfetti
Barron-gus-iafallo

 

[ecolad]

Is it possible that Chevy has a potential deal cooking for Reilly Smith, a 33 year old RW, with the Rangers? A position of need for us/ seems like a good fit in several respects and probably could be obtained relatively cheaply as a needed depth piece. Solid PKer as well, also much needed. Let me guess that the trade might be Heinola for a slightly retained Smith (approx value being a solid 2nd round draft pick that will never get a chance here).


Rangers holding Smith out of lineup tonight so we`ll know shortly.

Edit: corrected players age

 

[WPGChief]

Does BlueSky work as media posts here like Twitter used to? For those who care, here's my take on the Jets trade deadline options this year, with some common names being thrown out there or for ones that WPG should try to pry from the other team.



Also in the thread are some of the "risky" players or players to strictly avoid for one reason or another.

In a magical world, Jets would somehow be able to get Erik Karlsson for this year and next two so they have another defenceman that could add something offensively like Morrissey can but on the right-side. Connor Murphy would be a solid consolation prize as a better fit on the top pair, and DeMelo could slide to the bottom pair to stabilize things a bit there. Hopefully they sneak out with one of those mid 6 forwards too to give them some options of mixing up their top 6 when they need to - someone like Barrett Hayton is the long-term solution (but obviously unlikely), McCann/O'Reilly/Gourde might be short-term upgrades over Namestnikov but carry some risk in another way (mostly the speed factor), but even adding someone like Bjorkstand or Reilly Smith would help a lot.

In the real world, I see WPG probably going after a PKer for both a forward and defenceman - probably a Luke Schenn and Armia, neither of whom would honestly move the needle much for what the Jets really need to improve on (yes, the penalty kill, but more importantly 5v5 offence).

In the "glass-half-empty" world, Jets probably make one move and then announce an expensive Pionk extension which would be just as bad as the last time they overpaid him in a contract year.

 

[Whileee]

Very fair comments.

I am not sure if he has slowed to the point that he would hurt us or not this playoff, I would have to trust the Jets pro scouts on that? He did have 69 points in in 23-34 and would be pacing for 53 points this year in a full season on a garbage team. He is also really good defensively.

Next season I think I would be comfortable starting him at 2nd line centre then let the chips fall where they may. I hear what you are saying though and I might be wrong.

I like players with term and his cap hit is great for a 2nd line centre.

I Toffoli is a cautionary tale. He seemed like a good upgrade but didn't fit the Jets up-tempo system.

 

[Bob E]

Him, Lowry, and Nino would be an absolute menace to play against.

What if... Crouse for Barlow+late rd pick and B Nelson for 2025 1st+Kupari.

CSV
Nino-Nelson-Perfetti
Crouse-Lowry-Ehlers
Iafallo-Names-Barron/Apples

Size, speed, skill, physicality on every line. And if you make it to the final against a big team, say Washington, the Jets might be one of the few teams to have the size to offset a line like PLD, Wilson and McMichael. Then a Crouse/Lowry/Nino line would work very well.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Does BlueSky work as media posts here like Twitter used to? For those who care, here's my take on the Jets trade deadline options this year, with some common names being thrown out there or for ones that WPG should try to pry from the other team.



Also in the thread are some of the "risky" players or players to strictly avoid for one reason or another.

In a magical world, Jets would somehow be able to get Erik Karlsson for this year and next two so they have another defenceman that could add something offensively like Morrissey can but on the right-side. Connor Murphy would be a solid consolation prize as a better fit on the top pair, and DeMelo could slide to the bottom pair to stabilize things a bit there. Hopefully they sneak out with one of those mid 6 forwards too to give them some options of mixing up their top 6 when they need to - someone like Barrett Hayton is the long-term solution (but obviously unlikely), McCann/O'Reilly/Gourde might be short-term upgrades over Namestnikov but carry some risk in another way (mostly the speed factor), but even adding someone like Bjorkstand or Reilly Smith would help a lot.

In the real world, I see WPG probably going after a PKer for both a forward and defenceman - probably a Luke Schenn and Armia, neither of whom would honestly move the needle much for what the Jets really need to improve on (yes, the penalty kill, but more importantly 5v5 offence).

In the "glass-half-empty" world, Jets probably make one move and then announce an expensive Pionk extension which would be just as bad as the last time they overpaid him in a contract year.

Are they sheltering out of lack of trust or because they want to play the top 4 that many minutes. I mean I imagine the team views Mo in the Makar tier and when you play your top guy that much there really is less minutes to go around for everyone else.

What if... Crouse for Barlow+late rd pick and B Nelson for 2025 1st+Kupari.

CSV
Nino-Nelson-Perfetti
Crouse-Lowry-Ehlers
Iafallo-Names-Barron/Apples

Size, speed, skill, physicality on every line. And if you make it to the final against a big team, say Washington, the Jets might be one of the few teams to have the size to offset a line like PLD, Wilson and McMichael. Then a Crouse/Lowry/Nino line would work very well.

Don't want to reward Nino with top 6 minutes when he has been so cold lately, but, that's just me being petty.

 

[Bob E]

Don't want to reward Nino with top 6 minutes when he has been so cold lately, but, that's just me being petty.

He might heat up with offensive players like Cole. He's typically a lock for 20+g/20+a/40+ pts and is tracking that way this year too.

 

[Buffdog]

Does BlueSky work as media posts here like Twitter used to? For those who care, here's my take on the Jets trade deadline options this year, with some common names being thrown out there or for ones that WPG should try to pry from the other team.



Also in the thread are some of the "risky" players or players to strictly avoid for one reason or another.

In a magical world, Jets would somehow be able to get Erik Karlsson for this year and next two so they have another defenceman that could add something offensively like Morrissey can but on the right-side. Connor Murphy would be a solid consolation prize as a better fit on the top pair, and DeMelo could slide to the bottom pair to stabilize things a bit there. Hopefully they sneak out with one of those mid 6 forwards too to give them some options of mixing up their top 6 when they need to - someone like Barrett Hayton is the long-term solution (but obviously unlikely), McCann/O'Reilly/Gourde might be short-term upgrades over Namestnikov but carry some risk in another way (mostly the speed factor), but even adding someone like Bjorkstand or Reilly Smith would help a lot.

In the real world, I see WPG probably going after a PKer for both a forward and defenceman - probably a Luke Schenn and Armia, neither of whom would honestly move the needle much for what the Jets really need to improve on (yes, the penalty kill, but more importantly 5v5 offence).

In the "glass-half-empty" world, Jets probably make one move and then announce an expensive Pionk extension which would be just as bad as the last time they overpaid him in a contract year.

Yeah, we'd be way better to not extend Pionk and go into UFA with a right side of Demelo and Miller as our only NHL righties

If that's the case, expect to see Stanley on the second pair with Samberg

 

[WPGChief]

Are they sheltering out of lack of trust or because they want to play the top 4 that many minutes. I mean I imagine the team views Mo in the Makar tier and when you play your top guy that much there really is less minutes to go around for everyone else.

For the Jets, it's a bit of both, honestly? They clearly see Morrissey as the only offensive fit with the top line getting the majority of the OZ faceoffs, and the 54-4 pairing as the shutdown pair with the Lowry line with the DZ faceoffs, and they'll try like hell to have the 2nd line be mostly on-the-fly or offensive starts with the bottom pair. I get your reasoning, but if I'm trying to put together a lineup for the playoffs where the competition is going to get increasingly difficult, having players that already need to be sheltered this hard isn't good if you end up with an unfortunate injury or a mismatch somewhere in your middle 6.

It would be nice for the Jets to have another defenceman they could trust with a bit more offensive minutes to start with the 2nd line (because they won't get anything with a 64-6 pair), or slow the game down in the DZ to start with the Lowry line (because again, they don't trust the 64-6 pair there either). The dropoff from Morrissey to Pionk is already quite steep.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

For the Jets, it's a bit of both, honestly? They clearly see Morrissey as the only offensive fit with the top line getting the majority of the OZ faceoffs, and the 54-4 pairing as the shutdown pair with the Lowry line with the DZ faceoffs, and they'll try like hell to have the 2nd line be mostly on-the-fly or offensive starts with the bottom pair. I get your reasoning, but if I'm trying to put together a lineup for the playoffs where the competition is going to get increasingly difficult, having players that already need to be sheltered this hard isn't good if you end up with an unfortunate injury or a mismatch somewhere in your middle 6.

It would be nice for the Jets to have another defenceman they could trust with a bit more offensive minutes to start with the 2nd line (because they won't get anything with a 64-6 pair), or slow the game down in the DZ to start with the Lowry line (because again, they don't trust the 64-6 pair there either). The dropoff from Morrissey to Pionk is already quite steep.

This is fantasy land thinking but Karlsson would kind of be the fix to the problem you described.

Jomo - DeMelo
Samberg - Karlsson

Would be an absolutely elite top 4. If we could get a couple mil retained it would be about the same as what we'd have to pay Pionk this summer, and I think we probably would get Norris Karlsson if he gets to play with Samberg behind Jomo (look at his four nations performance with Sweden).

 

[Whileee]

This is fantasy land thinking but Karlsson would kind of be the fix to the problem you described.

Jomo - DeMelo
Samberg - Karlsson

Would be an absolutely elite top 4. If we could get a couple mil retained it would be about the same as what we'd have to pay Pionk this summer, and I think we probably would get Norris Karlsson if he gets to play with Samberg behind Jomo (look at his four nations performance with Sweden).

 

[KingBogo]

This is fantasy land thinking but Karlsson would kind of be the fix to the problem you described.

Jomo - DeMelo
Samberg - Karlsson

Would be an absolutely elite top 4. If we could get a couple mil retained it would be about the same as what we'd have to pay Pionk this summer, and I think we probably would get Norris Karlsson if he gets to play with Samberg behind Jomo (look at his four nations performance with Sweden).

This is an interesting thought, though I think it is almost certain that the Jets re-sign Pionk.

 

[Flair Hay]

This is fantasy land thinking but Karlsson would kind of be the fix to the problem you described.

Jomo - DeMelo
Samberg - Karlsson

Would be an absolutely elite top 4. If we could get a couple mil retained it would be about the same as what we'd have to pay Pionk this summer, and I think we probably would get Norris Karlsson if he gets to play with Samberg behind Jomo (look at his four nations performance with Sweden).

Karlsson definitely showed he is still a transition monster in 4 nations. I can't imagine his fit is here or we are his most desired destination. But his playoff run in Ottawa those years ago showed how impactful he is when the system around him insulated his weaknesses.

 

[CanMerc]

You're right

He's a better skater and has a harder shot

I'm starting to think you've never watched him play


Maybe, if Pionk walks

Yeah, I have..and I’ll take Pionk
I’m starting yo think you haven’t watched Risto beyond this season.
You guys are hugely overrating Risto.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Chevy will re-sign pionk... he is the poster boy for the success of chevys trades... especially now that nyr have lost trouba

 

[KingBogo]

Chevy will re-sign pionk... he is the poster boy for the success of chevys trades... especially now that nyr have lost trouba

And he is actually a better player than Trouba at this point in time.

 

[Flair Hay]

Most importantly I think we found the right partner for Pionk to let him play to his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses. Samberg is doing that to a level Dillon just want able to.

I don't have much concern with him going into playoffs this year at all. Having a 3rd pair guy to take on the bulk of Pionk's PK workload would be ideal. Keep him fresher and able to play hard and physical.

 

[CanMerc]

Where does everyone get there news….I’m not on Twitter or X or whatever it’s called

 

[Crocket]

Where does everyone get there news….I’m not on Twitter or X or whatever it’s called

Cjob

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Where does everyone get there news….I’m not on Twitter or X or whatever it’s called

Here and Reddit, stuff will be posted within minutes of it being posted on x