Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[ps241]

Yeah, St. Louis was in a similar spot when they dealt us Stastny. I can't see any team trading a top six ready center for a 34 year old ROR. It feels to me like the team fit is extraordinary but the trade pieces don't align well.

I just think our teams identity is we play good 200 ft hockey and we create offense by capitalizing off frustrating other teams with our neutral zone play, forechecking and defending the high slot.

I feel like ROR enhances what we already do well, but Nelson is similar to Monahan. He is better and adds offense but he doesn't create offense for himself and others from his defense. He isn't bad defensively but you can't match him up against an elite player and expect him not to be overwhelmed in his own zone.

Face-offs and PK are amplified in playoffs and ROR excels in both aspects. And is just as good offensively as Nelson or Schenn and better than Namestnikov.

He isnt what he was five years ago but he is still a top 20-30 center with a game and experience that translates to the post season. I hope we can make it happen, but i know it is a tall order... maybe wishful thinking.

Confessions of a rental Dove.

Let’s start off by saying I have zero idea what Nashville is up too and if their GM was a driver I would pull him over to check for DUI, short of that he might need to be tested for concussion. Last summer after one decent outlier season where they made it into the playoffs with an older core as a Wild card team Trotz decides to go all in on July 1st for what exactly?? He signed 34 year old Stamkos to 4 x $8 Million, 33 year old Marchessault to 5 x $5.5 million, and 30 year old Skjei to a 7 x $7 million. He added this to Forsberg (30), Nyquist 35, Josi (34), and O’Reilly (34). I mean what the actual f*** Barry? How did this insane, on paper, impulse shopping spree work out for Barry you ask??…….checks NHL.com and as of this morning the Preds are 30th in the league standings with a team that has aged out???????

So @Flair Hay I have summarized this steaming pile of dog #@$% to lay the ground work to say, I HAVE NO IDEA if they will be selling O’Reilly at the deadline? I will not try to apply any logic to what they should do because they are not working off any form of a logical plan

As an exercise in what if. Let’s assume for now O’Reilly is getting shopped

I have written novels on here about how I am a very anti pure rental guy but I would “make a hockey trade” for O’Reilly in a heartbeat.

You have built a good case of why he is “most suited” to the Jets and of course we don’t know until we plug him in.

The downside is he just turned 34 a few weeks ago and players can fall off a cliff anytime in their mid 30’s.

The positives are well worth the risk so I would go for it. ROR has a very manageable cap hit for as long as he can play 2nd line centre, and hopefully when he ages out Yager is ready to step in.

We get ROR for this spring and two more seasons if we choose or we can always trade him if he doesn’t work out.

 

[Jet]

IF..... you know for sure that Ehlers isn't re-signing....

Do you trade him 1 for 1 for Rantanen, even if you knew he wasn't re-signing either?

Reason I ask... Rantanen has 101 points in 81 playoff games. Is he the better "own rental"?

I do that.

Have we got a new Inanna / Stumbledore scenario here?

I don't think I can handle a double avgaard

 

[Bob E]

Can't shake the feeling Chevy pries Lawson Crouse out of Utah. He's having a down year but is typically a 20+g/20+a/40+ pts player with 2 years left on his contract.

Oh, and he has no trade protection.

 

[CanMerc]

Confessions of a rental Dove.

Let’s start off by saying I have zero idea what Nashville is up too and if their GM was a driver I would pull him over to check for DUI, short of that he might need to be tested for concussion. Last summer after one decent outlier season where they made it into the playoffs with an older core as a Wild card team Trotts decides to go all in on July 1st for what exactly?? He signed 34 year old Stamkos to 4 x $8 Million, 33 year old Marchessault to 5 x $5.5 million, and 30 year old Skjei to a 7 x $7 million. He added this to Forsberg (30), Nyquist 35, Josi (34), and O’Reilly (34). I mean what the actual f*** Barry? How did this insane, on paper, impulse shopping spree work out for Barry you ask??…….checks NHL.com and as of this morning the Preds are 30th in the league standings with a team that has aged out???????

So @Flair Hay I have summarized this steaming pile of dog #@$% to lay the ground work to say, I HAVE NO IDEA if they will be selling O’Reilly at the deadline? I will not try to apply any logic to what they should do because they are not working off any form of a logical plan

As an exercise in what if. Let’s assume for now O’Reilly is getting shopped

I have written novels on here about how I am a very anti pure rental guy but I would “make a hockey trade” for O’Reilly in a heartbeat.

You have built a good case of why he is “most suited” to the Jets and of course we don’t know until we plug him in.

The downside is he just turned 34 a few weeks ago and players can fall off a cliff anytime in their mid 30’s.

The positives are well worth the risk so I would go for it. ROR has a very manageable cap hit for as long as he can play 2nd line centre, and hopefully when he ages out Yager is ready to step in.

We get ROR for this spring and two more seasons if we choose or we can always trade him if he doesn’t work out.

Not to mention having ROR around to help mentor and advise Yager

 

[GNP]

I think this is a very tough position for Chevy to be in, and in my mind it’s because of Ehlers. Usually if a player wants to resign, he says so, and we’re working on some kind of deal, but I’ve heard nothing from the Ehlers camp or Jets side. Does not sound good at all to me.

If Chevy knows for sure Ehlers is not resigning here, what do you do with him? Do you keep him as your own built in rental, and hope he’ll resign later, or do you deal him off now, before the deadline? If you deal him off, do you trade him for young solid prospects, or do you try and find someone equal to Ehlers, or maybe not quite as good, but showing good upside, like a Perfetti type of player. This is the biggest hurdle Chevy will have to cross, before other decisions are made. Then you have to look at the Cap rising, and what Ehlers could get as a UFA, and it could be $9.5 or higher, and would Chevy pay that? This is a tough situation.

As for names I’d look at right now, it would be Nelson- 1st choice then Risto ? and I’d look at a struggling Buffalo team and try to acquire Byram, or someone on that team.

Personally I’d stay away from ROR, as he’s too old, and too slow, for this fast Jets club. I’d be looking at speed guys with decent scoring hands, that are maybe underperforming.

It will be very interesting to see how Chevy proceeds, and I think it will have a lot to do with Ehlers.

 

[Whileee]

Confessions of a rental Dove.

Let’s start off by saying I have zero idea what Nashville is up too and if their GM was a driver I would pull him over to check for DUI, short of that he might need to be tested for concussion. Last summer after one decent outlier season where they made it into the playoffs with an older core as a Wild card team Trotts decides to go all in on July 1st for what exactly?? He signed 34 year old Stamkos to 4 x $8 Million, 33 year old Marchessault to 5 x $5.5 million, and 30 year old Skjei to a 7 x $7 million. He added this to Forsberg (30), Nyquist 35, Josi (34), and O’Reilly (34). I mean what the actual f*** Barry? How did this insane, on paper, impulse shopping spree work out for Barry you ask??…….checks NHL.com and as of this morning the Preds are 30th in the league standings with a team that has aged out???????

So @Flair Hay I have summarized this steaming pile of dog #@$% to lay the ground work to say, I HAVE NO IDEA if they will be selling O’Reilly at the deadline? I will not try to apply any logic to what they should do because they are not working off any form of a logical plan

As an exercise in what if. Let’s assume for now O’Reilly is getting shopped

I have written novels on here about how I am a very anti pure rental guy but I would “make a hockey trade” for O’Reilly in a heartbeat.

You have built a good case of why he is “most suited” to the Jets and of course we don’t know until we plug him in.

The downside is he just turned 34 a few weeks ago and players can fall off a cliff anytime in their mid 30’s.

The positives are well worth the risk so I would go for it. ROR has a very manageable cap hit for as long as he can play 2nd line centre, and hopefully when he ages out Yager is ready to step in.

We get ROR for this spring and two more seasons if we choose or we can always trade him if he doesn’t work out.

Just noting that O'Reilly makes Lowry and Namestnikov look fast. He's in the Perfetti class of skaters. Can the Jets thrive without a lot of speed in their middle 6 F? I'm not so sure.

ROR has a lot of miles on him, too. If he gets any slower in the coming seasons he'll be of little use.

I have been a fan of ROR but he needs to fit the Jets system and personnel at this point, too.

 

[bustamente]

 

[10Ducky10]

I don't see what anyone sees in Risto...especially for two more seasons after this one at 5.1m.
Risto comes...Pionk goes and I would sooner have Pionk any day and every day.
ROR might be nice but doubt he wants to come here.
Greenway would be a nice add as a pure rental.
Laughton would probably be way too expensive.
Also, Philly is 4 points out of the playoffs. Are they sellers?

Is Chevy waiting for the TDL day so he won't have to waive anyone?

 

[voyageur]

I think ROR and Ristolainen make sense for the Jets. My only concern with ROR is whether he's lost a step and will not be able to play with the speed the Jets' system thrives on. He might hurt the chemistry by slowing things down. I don't think Laughton adds much to the Jets roster at all, and would be over-priced. A reminder that the 27-7-91 line has been crushing their opponents at 5v5 in goals and chances.

I actually think the Jets might do well to upgrade RW on the Lowry line. Appleton is fine and works hard, but adding a more dangerous player to RW on that line would give the Jets more scoring depth. Rakell or Bjorkstrand would give the Jets more scoring depth and diversity in the top 9. Boeser is another option, though I am concerned by his lack of speed. Jets need players that get on the forecheck and disrupt to get their offensive zone work going.

The other main area where the Jets need an upgrade is on the 3rd D pair. I'd target a LHD like Dumoulin or Oleksiak. I think Miller is fine as a 3RD, and if you add Risto along with a Dumoulin the Jets have a deep and versatile defense.

If the Jets can't swing a reasonable deal for the higher end players on this list, then adding a D like Dumoulin and another big RW like Armia would be fine, too. He might add something to Lowry's line and the PK.

It will be interesting how all these teams on the edge of the playoffs sort themselves out. Who wants to be the GM to give up on their team?

The other thing to watch is all these NTCs and Winnipeg. If everyone with an NTC is unavailable, and some of those without too, who are veteran enough to choose their destiny, Chevy is not going to have a lot to choose from.

I don't mind the idea of going with what you got, maybe a C/RW add, and defensive depth. Holding on to the 1st Rd Pick. So that the Jets can manouver at the draft instead of watch it and wait 90 picks to do something.

Because the one or two player idea away from the Stanley Cup has to reconcile that about half of this team has consistently underperformed in the playoffs in the past. So it's a mental hurdle as much as a personnel hurdle this team needs to overcome.

 

[bustamente]

Buffalo, Pittsburgh, San Jose, Nashville, Chicago and Seattle are teams pretty well out of it, slim pickings if you're are looking for a really good player with term that will come here.

 

[GNP]

Confessions of a rental Dove.

Let’s start off by saying I have zero idea what Nashville is up too and if their GM was a driver I would pull him over to check for DUI, short of that he might need to be tested for concussion. Last summer after one decent outlier season where they made it into the playoffs with an older core as a Wild card team Trotts decides to go all in on July 1st for what exactly?? He signed 34 year old Stamkos to 4 x $8 Million, 33 year old Marchessault to 5 x $5.5 million, and 30 year old Skjei to a 7 x $7 million. He added this to Forsberg (30), Nyquist 35, Josi (34), and O’Reilly (34). I mean what the actual f*** Barry? How did this insane, on paper, impulse shopping spree work out for Barry you ask??…….checks NHL.com and as of this morning the Preds are 30th in the league standings with a team that has aged out???????

So @Flair Hay I have summarized this steaming pile of dog #@$% to lay the ground work to say, I HAVE NO IDEA if they will be selling O’Reilly at the deadline? I will not try to apply any logic to what they should do because they are not working off any form of a logical plan

As an exercise in what if. Let’s assume for now O’Reilly is getting shopped

I have written novels on here about how I am a very anti pure rental guy but I would “make a hockey trade” for O’Reilly in a heartbeat.

You have built a good case of why he is “most suited” to the Jets and of course we don’t know until we plug him in.

The downside is he just turned 34 a few weeks ago and players can fall off a cliff anytime in their mid 30’s.

The positives are well worth the risk so I would go for it. ROR has a very manageable cap hit for as long as he can play 2nd line centre, and hopefully when he ages out Yager is ready to step in.

We get ROR for this spring and two more seasons if we choose or we can always trade him if he doesn’t work out.

Very much agree with this post. Trots has proven to be a great hockey Coach, but as a GM, he’s proven so far, to be very inadequate. He’s made some very big gambles on older players, and it’s been a disaster.

 

[ps241]

Just noting that O'Reilly makes Lowry and Namestnikov look fast. He's in the Perfetti class of skaters. Can the Jets thrive without a lot of speed in their middle 6 F? I'm not so sure.

ROR has a lot of miles on him, too. If he gets any slower in the coming seasons he'll be of little use.

I have been a fan of ROR but he needs to fit the Jets system and personnel at this point, too.

Very fair comments.

I am not sure if he has slowed to the point that he would hurt us or not this playoff, I would have to trust the Jets pro scouts on that? He did have 69 points in in 23-34 and would be pacing for 53 points this year in a full season on a garbage team. He is also really good defensively.

Next season I think I would be comfortable starting him at 2nd line centre then let the chips fall where they may. I hear what you are saying though and I might be wrong.

I like players with term and his cap hit is great for a 2nd line centre.

 

[jgimp]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Brandon Carlo, seems like he is having a off year but I remember last year some of the jets players were asked which D-man in the league was the hardest to play against and a couple of them named Carlo. I feel like he would be a good replacement for Pionk on a cheaper contract for a couple of years. I would like to see him and Fleury as our bottom pair to start and if he excels move him up the line up

He's never been the same since his concussions. His first few years were great but has definitely regressed and has gotten soft.

 

[CanMerc]

I don't see what anyone sees in Risto...especially for two more seasons after this one at 5.1m.
Risto comes...Pionk goes and I would sooner have Pionk any day and every day.
ROR might be nice but doubt he wants to come here.
Greenway would be a nice add as a pure rental.
Laughton would probably be way too expensive.
Also, Philly is 4 points out of the playoffs. Are they sellers?

Is Chevy waiting for the TDL day so he won't have to waive anyone?

One hundred percent agree about Risto… honestly don’t see the appeal or get the hype.

 

[Whileee]

I don't see what anyone sees in Risto...especially for two more seasons after this one at 5.1m.
Risto comes...Pionk goes and I would sooner have Pionk any day and every day.
ROR might be nice but doubt he wants to come here.
Greenway would be a nice add as a pure rental.
Laughton would probably be way too expensive.
Also, Philly is 4 points out of the playoffs. Are they sellers?

Is Chevy waiting for the TDL day so he won't have to waive anyone?

With Risto I think it's the assumption that unless Arniel has more size and physicality on the 3rd pair he's going to keep forcing Stanley into that role, and if the Jets have an injury to a RD then we'll likely see Stanley flipped over to his off side.

I think the Jets need either a big LHD to replace Stanley (like Oleksiak) or a big RHD like Risto and another LHD like Dumoulin to improve the 3rd pair.

 

[CanMerc]

Opinions on Alex Tuch and guesses on trade cost?
28 yr old, 6’4, 216lb RW making 4.75m for one more season.
22G, 24A in 58GP this season.
Could be a good middle 6 RW pickup if the price is right

 

[Buffdog]

One hundred percent agree about Risto… honestly don’t see the appeal or get the hype.

He's a 6'4 Pionk

 

[Gil Fisher]

He's a 6'4 Pionk

Yep. With a contract.

 

[CanMerc]

He's a 6'4 Pionk

No…no he’s not

 

[10Ducky10]

With Risto I think it's the assumption that unless Arniel has more size and physicality on the 3rd pair he's going to keep forcing Stanley into that role, and if the Jets have an injury to a RD then we'll likely see Stanley flipped over to his off side.

I think the Jets need either a big LHD to replace Stanley (like Oleksiak) or a big RHD like Risto and another LHD like Dumoulin to improve the 3rd pair.

Do we want to pay him 5.1m per season for two seasons after this one???

 

[Buffdog]

No…no he’s not

You're right

He's a better skater and has a harder shot

I'm starting to think you've never watched him play

Do we want to pay him 5.1m per season for two seasons after this one???

Maybe, if Pionk walks

 

[Whileee]

Do we want to pay him 5.1m per season for two seasons after this one???

I think the cap is not going to be much of a problem for the Jets going forward, especially if they don't re-sign Iafallo.

 

[DRW204]

Do we want to pay him 5.1m per season for two seasons after this one???

5m+ for a 3rd pair dman.... the Jets just had that and bought the player out. size queens are out this morning it seems. even if it is cushion against a Pionk departure, i believe in the Jets in finding better value elsewhere in the off-season.

 

[Buffdog]

5m+ for a 3rd pair dman.... the Jets just had that and bought the player out. size queens are out this morning it seems. even if it is cushion against a Pionk departure, i believe in the Jets in finding better value elsewhere in the off-season.

Yeah, let's pretend that size doesn't matter. I can see that you've never gone into a corner for a puck battle with a guy much bigger than you

Obviously, better is better than big. But good luck finding a RHD in free agency that fits that description, then getting him to sign here

If it were that easy, Chevy would have upgraded RD years ago

 

[DRW204]

Opinions on Alex Tuch and guesses on trade cost?
28 yr old, 6’4, 216lb RW making 4.75m for one more season.
22G, 24A in 58GP this season.
Could be a good middle 6 RW pickup if the price is right

would be a good top-6 addition imo. apparently the Jets were in on him last season too. not sure what it would cost in a trade but he'd be someone id move the 1st round pick for.