Cotton Eye Joe
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I'd think Montreal would want an Ehlers extension to pull that trigger.
Plus, Guhle is a left shot.
But he is definitely a player I'd say the Jets would have interest in.
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Plus, Guhle is a left shot.
But he is definitely a player I'd say the Jets would have interest in.
OMG, they won’t be able to build a contender because of Heinola? That’s amazing. LMAO! My new favorite comment ever.
Haha, more Stanley what about ism. There’s always an excuse for Heinola. You know he has been bad when everyone but him gets the blame for his play. Never pointing to anything he has done well just excuses for being bad. It must be nice to go through life never having to be responsible for yourself.
Or Ville isn’t as good as you think. Please point to anything he has done to deserve more than he has gotten. What do you see his role as on this team?
Who have the Jets had a blind spot for exactly? Who has moved on to be so much more than expected? Are you still lamenting Niku? Petan? Postma? It’s always piss and moan about these good AHLers and then they leave and the Jets are proven to to have correctly evaluated them and the board moves on to the next tweeter ignoring their record Vs the Jets when it comes to player evaluation.
That said, Heinola is still being evaluated by the Jets. He hasn’t been good but they will keep trotting him out. He will still get more chances to figure it out. Hopefully he does. But he has to do it.
People have been talking about Kovacevic and Chisholm a lot the last month or so, figured they would be the more recent examples you would go to...
It's not about Ville being amazing, it's about all these better dmen being pushed aside for Stanley who is just not a good defenseman at the NHL level. And it's still ongoing.
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Commented in the last GDT, but 0 chance I'd move Perfetti for Cozens. That's a loss for the Jets IMO.
Agreed, Perfetti alone is nonsense.For Cozens? I don't think perfetti is all that but that's a huge trade for cozens who has been trending down.
I like his upside and he has a 30g 68 pt season under his belt, but his value isright now. That's a top tier price.
Crocket
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He's not getting ripped to shreds at all but you're right we need a top 4 physical rd.
We don't need Stanley or Heinola. Heinola is still recovering from surgery, so they're being really generous with him. And, we have strange composition of D right now. DeMelo is slipping, Samberg is injured and him and Fluery are our best 2 LD behind Josh. Our RD is an issue, Pionk might not be signing, and do we want him?
We need a RD big time. Now that Coghlan cleared, I'd be giving him a few games to see if he fits.
I'd also be giving chib a look on the 4th line, maybe he can add some finish.
Without secondary scoring and weak RD, we're not going far.
You can read any of my many posts about the more recent waiver fodder. I thought I was already over repeating myself on them. What solution does Chisholm give the Jets? Do you think he gave the Jets a better chance to win than Dillon? Play him over Samberg on the bottom pair? Maybe it’s just me but I think Samberg has worked out pretty good. Chisholm is probably better than Ville. Should he have been kept over Ville? I don’t think that’s the point people are trying to make….but they are. We should have held on to Kovacevic until his value was a sky high 4th round pick in his D+10. Should the Jets hold on to every single player they draft just in case they turn into a real bottom pair defenseman in their late 20s? What are we doing here?
Ville isn’t better than Stanley. On top of that if Stanley can tap into some of his potential it’s much more valuable to the Jets needs than Heinola’s potential.
Who has been pushed aside for Stanley? Not the Right handed D+10 super star Kovacevic. Chisholm is closer to competing with Heinola for a similar role, are we mad they kept Heinola over him? Be mad at Ville if you want Chisholm back.
Are we just going to ignore Hellebyuck when he says he can’t see the puck in the playoffs because our plethora of 6ft sub 200lbs defensemen could clear the crease for him to see? Is the 170lbs Heinola supposed to help with that?
How does Heinola contribute to winning this year? He is supposed to be an offensive player but he isn’t good enough to play on the PP. He doesn’t PK. He’s hasn’t been good 5 on 5. What is he going to do in the playoffs when the whistles go away and it’s time to play big boy hockey? Right now we are still looking to see what he can bring to the table to establish some sort of role on the team.
He is still getting opportunities, the team hasn’t given up on him but one of these days it’s on him to figure it out. That’s on him. So far all I have seen is people suggesting to throw him in the deep end and if he sinks just keep waiting while we blame the coach and his defense partners and the forward lines he plays with etc etc etc. The whole Heinola conversation is just another example of putting their pet players above the team.
Heinola has the worst shot share on the defense. He’s an offensive player who is hemmed into his own end because he can’t play defense. What are you referring to that doesn’t make him look bad?
I’d love to see the jets add some quality and size to their defense.
Cozens is a 60 plus point player in between Perfetti and Ehlers.
He has good size, not afraid to drop the gloves and is a good playmaker.
He has good size, not afraid to drop the gloves and is a good playmaker.
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He is being misused by being played on the right side. That alone is enough. No way to start a rookie. Make Stanley play the right side if you must pair them. He is the vet player.
Stanley is bad whether he is playing with Ville or not. Ville is another discussion.
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They keep throwing Stanley into the deep end, waiting for him to develop and not sink yet he very clearly needs to be upgraded on.
I’m not saying Heinola is that player. I’m advocating for a real proven addition back there’d that bumps Fleury, Stanley and Heinola into the 7, 8, 9 spots of the press box if neither are included in said deal.
Stan wasn’t our worst d last two games. Impossible to upgrade there plus on Demelo and pionk.
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Jets have 5 defensemen signed for next season. Samberg is probably going to be re-signed long term. From the way Arniel talks about Pionk as well liked in the room, wouldn't surprise me if he re-signs. For Fleury this has been a good opportunity for him in a new environment, with a familiar coach. Wouldn't be surprised if he re-signs.
And all 8 defensemen who have helped get the Jets to the spot they are in this year, somewhere around 1st overall are back next year. Heinola is getting some looks but he is mostly a spare part right now, I think the Jets want to see what he can do. By next season if Salomonsson is ready, his spot is likely the most tenous But I think there's still hope that he can put it together. Missing TC was a real setback for him.
Only saw a Morrissey-Heinola pairing once last game, but that's his ceiling on the right side, especially in offensive zone situations. In a shut down role De Melo is going to be in that spot.
That's why I don't think there is going to be a big splash here. The Jets love to build chemsitry by not making a lot of changes.
I think they'll add at defense but not go for the home run.
Ehlers is the most tradeable asset they have, I just wonder how Chevy handles that one. His value is prospects as a rental, only a team that could re-sign him would give up core pieces. Seeing Perfetti look comfortable in the bumper after a few games, and Chibrikov coming up the ranks, maybe they keep Ehlers as an own rental knowing they have replacements. It's a risky move, and Ehlers has never been great in the playoffs. But I think there is a player there that puts a few more fans in the seats, and the organization may want that going down the stretch in what hasn't been a great year for attendance. Which is funny because I think a lot of complaining comes from fans that don't actually support the team.
Interesting tidbit about the Jets payroll. De Melo makes more than Josh in 2 of the next 3 seasons. Only $4.8 million in actual salary for Morrissey for the next 3 years. Guy left a lot on the table for management to work with.
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And Ville is undersized, totally void of a physical game, and pretty much useless when in the Jets end of the ice -
And unless he is playing with someone that will allow him to avoid playing defense, it won't matter who he plays with either.
If there was a player available that could effectively shelter Ville defensively, that player would likely be further up the lineup - probably with JoMo.
There are a lot of fans on this board right now that will not even try to understand why Stan is playing and is likely ahead of Ville - they need a big dman that can be physical, will drop the gloves when needed, and can kill penalties. Stan does those things - maybe not to the level you'd like to see, but he's the best we have at this point.
And until another big dman comes along that can do those things, they will continue to work with what they have.
Romang67
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Out of 129 D-men who have played more than 30 minutes on the PK this season, Stanley ranks 107th in xGA/60 and 113th in GA/60.
The only other season he played more than 30 minutes on the PK, his xGA/60 and GA/60 were similarly awful.
As with most other things, including the supposed physicality, it's not so much that Stanley can actually do those things, as it's that he looks like a player who should be able to do those things, so the Jets keep throwing him out there and ignoring the results.
The only other season he played more than 30 minutes on the PK, his xGA/60 and GA/60 were similarly awful.
As with most other things, including the supposed physicality, it's not so much that Stanley can actually do those things, as it's that he looks like a player who should be able to do those things, so the Jets keep throwing him out there and ignoring the results.
I have seen stanley block shots, not sure I have seen Heinola do anything in our end.
Stan's talent level should be 1st call up from the Moose.
If someone on the left side goes down, the player in the PB goes in and we call up Stanley to sit in the PB.
A 5 LHD or two injuries to get into a game.
Romang67
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He should do more of that on the PK. His goals against numbers are really bad.
Not saying he is good, just seeing even less from Tiny.
Yep, but, what does that say bout Heinola?
Romang67
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You're not really seeing anything from Heinola on the PK. Not really a problem. Its a problem that you're seeing Stanley on the PK, at least if the coaching staff views that as something Stanley "can do."
I remember a sequence where he blocked 3 shots in a row and then cleared it out of our zone. I have seen sequences where I have been like okay if only he could do more of that. I have not seen anything from Heinola that even gives me a glimmer of what if.
I mean there are probably 200 d better than Stan in the league, not sure Heinola is one of them. If they want to bring in an upgrade I say go for it.
