Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[voyageur]

The only changes we made from last year are

Gustafsson to Kupari
Schmidt to Miller

Monahan and Toffoli leaving you may be referring to as well which is fair. I agree rentals of that play style that range shouldn't be in our plans. Snipers that don't drive play and are suspect defensively.

ROR is really good defensively and makes life easier for the other 4 guys on the ice with him. He is also a better playmaker than either by far. It's not repeating past mistakes, it's learning from the mistake of acquiring guys that dont have a good two way game

They only had a center of ROR calibre once and they went to the conference finals. It's crazy to me to be looking at JAGs with size like Dach and saying no thanks to an actual top line calibre guy because of foot speed. He still gets the job done at a high level even with his foot speed.

Dach has pretty much the worst pts/60 mins, goals %, and X goals % on the Habs...

Like traits matter but at certain point a way better player will always fit your system better. If ROR wasn't under contract for multiple more seasons I wouldn't be as interested. It's a deal like Nino's for a underrated center who has grit and tons of playoff experience as a go to guy

All fair. It's good to have players you can count on and you seem to think O'Reilly could be one of those guys. I won't dispute that. I personally like the way the Jets are at center, two heavy centers in Scheif and Lowry. Both decent skaters. But by no means top end. Their physicality often makes up for their lack of speed. I like the speed that Namestnikov and Kupari bring to give another angle of attack from the middle of the ice.

Right now ROR is behind all 3 of our top centers in scoring, doesn't mean he can't add anything. Or exceed their production in the right opportunity. My suggestion of Dach is hoping to find another Vilardi, who can play behind Vilardi in the lineup. Maybe replace him at an injury level which I believe the Toffoli acquisition was meant to do. He too has underachieving stats. He's been in the league 5+ years now. Injury prone. Vilardi's breakout season was at 23 with the Kings, which is where Dach is at but probably in the wrong position in my mind.

I can see advantages in ROR. While he couldn't replace a Vilardi, he could centre a top line and give Scheif a chance to or centre a smaller 2nd line. He can also kill penalties which is a need for the Jets. He's not my guy, but I can understand why he'd be a choice for you and others. If you think he's the next Stastny instead of Monahan.

 

[tbcwpg]

Absolutely this should be our #1 target

Man this is crazy. Monahan is a sniper with size and an okay all around game. Fringe top 6.

O'Reilly is a shut down center with grit and great playmaking ability. Even at his older age he is still a 2nd line center on almost any team in the NHL. Great on faceoffs, can PK... he can physically handle the strength or the big centers like Hintz, Eichel, Eriksson-Ek, etc.

Who cares about peeing our pants worrying about the Avs speed. Let's build the best team we can build and beat whoever we play at our game.

Not sure if the Preds will deal him. But he seems like he would logically move to the top of the trade boards if their season is in the toilet and they want to retool quickly.

We have an ROR type in Lowry already. All the stuff you listed that he does, Lowry does. Lowry has also outscored him this season.

They need more of a scorer. Scoring depth is an issue in the playoffs. The top line gets shut down and the 2nd line disappoints.

 

[Jet]

We have an ROR type in Lowry already. All the stuff you listed that he does, Lowry does. Lowry has also outscored him this season.

They need more of a scorer. Scoring depth is an issue in the playoffs. The top line gets shut down and the 2nd line disappoints.

I think when the playoffs come you can never have too many of those guys.

At the right price I'd definitely be interested in him

 

[Flair Hay]

I think when the playoffs come you can never have too many of those guys.

At the right price I'd definitely be interested in him

Well said.

 

[tbcwpg]

I think when the playoffs come you can never have too many of those guys.

At the right price I'd definitely be interested in him

Well said.

I think you can have enough of them when you need a goal and your only answer is throwing 55 and 81 out there for 23 minutes a night.

I'm not opposed to ROR but I don't see him as target numero uno. I've seen too many playoff games where the top line is shut down and the second line can't do anything.

 

[Flair Hay]

We have an ROR type in Lowry already. All the stuff you listed that he does, Lowry does. Lowry has also outscored him this season.

They need more of a scorer. Scoring depth is an issue in the playoffs. The top line gets shut down and the 2nd line disappoints.

He had 69 points in 82 games as a 1st line center last year. Lowry is awesome in his role but let's splash some cold water on our face here.

This guy should be any playoff team's number one target that doesn't have two top line centers already.

 

[snowkiddin]

I think you can have enough of them when you need a goal and your only answer is throwing 55 and 81 out there for 23 minutes a night.

I'm not opposed to ROR but I don't see him as target numero uno. I've seen too many playoff games where the top line is shut down and the second line can't do anything.

Hello, Mr/Mrs/Ms/Mx Moderator.

Who can I submit my proposal to so that we can acquire an angry-react and a sad-react button for this forum?

Please note my use of the words “submit,” “proposal,” and “acquire,” means this post is technically on-topic for this thread and as such there are no fair grounds (and I’m not talking about where they host fairs) to remove it.

Also, I’d be fine with ROR at the right price but I imagine just based on name-recognition that he’ll cost a premium.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Hello, Mr/Mrs/Ms/Mx Moderator.

Who can I submit my proposal to so that we can acquire an angry-react and a sad-react button for this forum?

Please note my use of the words “submit,” “proposal,” and “acquire,” means this post is technically on-topic for this thread and as such there are no fair grounds (and I’m not talking about where they host fairs) to remove it.

Also, I’d be fine with ROR at the right price but I imagine just based on name-recognition that he’ll cost a premium.

Longing for the barf-react, myself.

 

[tbcwpg]

He had 69 points in 82 games as a 1st line center last year. Lowry is awesome in his role but let's splash some cold water on our face here.

This guy should be any playoff team's number one target that doesn't have two top line centers already.

I'd rather look at this season and I don't think he'd be playing with better linemates than Forsberg and Stamkos.

Hello, Mr/Mrs/Ms/Mx Moderator.

Who can I submit my proposal to so that we can acquire an angry-react and a sad-react button for this forum?

Please note my use of the words “submit,” “proposal,” and “acquire,” means this post is technically on-topic for this thread and as such there are no fair grounds (and I’m not talking about where they host fairs) to remove it.

Also, I’d be fine with ROR at the right price but I imagine just based on name-recognition that he’ll cost a premium.

Longing for the barf-react, myself.

Only if it doesn't work on Moderator posts.

 

[voyageur]

We have an ROR type in Lowry already. All the stuff you listed that he does, Lowry does. Lowry has also outscored him this season.

They need more of a scorer. Scoring depth is an issue in the playoffs. The top line gets shut down and the 2nd line disappoints.

Last year the top line didn't run on a full cylinder, with Vilardi being a step off after coming off IR with what looked to be an injury that hampered his jump. There's also the d pairings that weren't as quick that didn't help.

I'd like to believe as an optimist that the coaching changes have changed some of the mindset of the team in terms of structure and play.

I am not sure O'Reilly's contract will age out well, if he has the foot speed to play against the Mackinnons and Mc Davids in the West, and if Trotz is going to move him ROR would likely have some say where, if the GM respects him and his family, and I'm sure he'd prefer TO with Berube again.

I don't think he is better than Lowry in the 2C spot. I feel like that C on Lowry's chest is a role that has taken him to another level.

I think if you make a trade this year get someone who is committed to playing in Winnipeg. For Stats it was his first time playing for a Canadian team, which his dad recommended. Hayes, no bueno. A guy like Toffoli was apparently pissed at being traded to Winnipeg, leaving his family behind in Jersey, and signed a NTC in San Jose as a result.

I think that takes a few names off the list.

I am inclined to believe that Scott Arniel will manage the roster differently than Bowness did, and that will give young players some opportunities that haven't been there in the past, to get through the grind. What he will be like as a first time head coach in the playoffs is less certain, but he's improved the communication to get young players to work in his systems.

I am sure Chevy will add a vet or two. This early in the season is still a long ways away from the trade deadline. Almost 3 months of hockey still to play to reach the point which is a race to the finish line, with only 2 months down. An injury at any key position drastically changes the needs for this team. Key is to stay relatively healthy, and stick together as a team. I think everybody knows their role and depth improves as younger players mature.

I really hope this isn't another 2C year, that has been the dialogue since the Bryan Little days.

 

[Flair Hay]

All fair. It's good to have players you can count on and you seem to think O'Reilly could be one of those guys. I won't dispute that. I personally like the way the Jets are at center, two heavy centers in Scheif and Lowry. Both decent skaters. But by no means top end. Their physicality often makes up for their lack of speed. I like the speed that Namestnikov and Kupari bring to give another angle of attack from the middle of the ice.

Right now ROR is behind all 3 of our top centers in scoring, doesn't mean he can't add anything. Or exceed their production in the right opportunity. My suggestion of Dach is hoping to find another Vilardi, who can play behind Vilardi in the lineup. Maybe replace him at an injury level which I believe the Toffoli acquisition was meant to do. He too has underachieving stats. He's been in the league 5+ years now. Injury prone. Vilardi's breakout season was at 23 with the Kings, which is where Dach is at but probably in the wrong position in my mind.

I can see advantages in ROR. While he couldn't replace a Vilardi, he could centre a top line and give Scheif a chance to or centre a smaller 2nd line. He can also kill penalties which is a need for the Jets. He's not my guy, but I can understand why he'd be a choice for you and others. If you think he's the next Stastny instead of Monahan.

That's also fair on Dach if he moved to the wing. Perreault did awful at C when we first got him. After we moved him to wing he was basically a top 6 center after that. So that could be a great idea actually. If the price is right.

I'd rather look at this season and I don't think he'd be playing with better linemates than Forsberg and Stamkos

If that's what you think is more reflective of what he offers, then not much of an argument I can make. I'm counting on him bouncing back production wise, but that's obviously not a lock either.

 

[Adam da bomb]

That's also fair on Dach if he moved to the wing. Perreault did awful at C when we first got him. After we moved him to wing he was basically a top 6 center after that. So that could be a great idea actually. If the price is right.


If that's what you think is more reflective of what he offers, then not much of an argument I can make. I'm counting on him bouncing back production wise, but that's obviously not a lock either.

Which makes sense for the right price. I don’t want to pay a lot of value for a guy who might “bounce back” instead of a guy who is already producing.

 

[Crocket]

Although I do agree in a perfect world we need a great 2C, a top RD to play with Josh, and really solid 4th line winger that is competent at hockey but can be a physical presence.

I still think our second line is a bit soft. We can probably solve that within a little bit by putting Nino on the 2nd line to replace Perfetti. Would you rather have Perfetti move to 2C or keep Names there?

Nino Names Ehlers

Iafallo can come up to the 3rd line. That makes room for a 4th liner who should be a real grinder. Is Barron replaceable? Should we acquire a very serviceable 4th liner that's in the NHL?

Who's on the Moose?

Tyson Empey: decent size, very tough, grinder.



Mark Liwiski: Only 6'1 185 but very physical and tough, loose screw. From Dauphin



When Ehlers comes back, maybe Chib plays on the 4th. Him and Kupari could generate chances.

Our Defense is a bit soft. DeMelo is very soft and is really not playing well. I'd love to see the addition of a top 4 RD who's physical; big ask I know.


Collin Miller is a killer. I'd actually rather have Miller than DeMelo out there. We are sleeping on Dylan Coghlan, he is quite good. Very serviceable 3rd pair. Him and Heinola might be a good combo.



That leaves Perfetti, Demelo and Barron without a home, if we can add a real 4th line guy, a top 4 RD for Josh, and size on the 2nd line. This can be done from within, or a combination of trades and within.
Ehlers and Pionk are UFA
Barron and DeMelo are expendable. I'd say Perfetti is too, depending on the return.

 

[tbcwpg]

If that's what you think is more reflective of what he offers, then not much of an argument I can make. I'm counting on him bouncing back production wise, but that's obviously not a lock either.

It's not that I think that's all that he offers, but he's not here to play the shut down role, he's here to get the 2nd line going. I'm not sure he'd be able to do that, but again, I'm not against the acquisition.

 

[Flair Hay]

It's not that I think that's all that he offers, but he's not here to play the shut down role, he's here to get the 2nd line going. I'm not sure he'd be able to do that, but again, I'm not against the acquisition.

I did look a little deeper and once you take into account his previous two years and this year combined, he does fall a bit short of some of the guys I was comparing him to.

Compared him against 31-33 year old Krejci, Stastny and even Lowry. He pretty much averaged out as similar. All similar impacts defensively from age 31-33 and Lowry behind the group offensively.

Krejci and Stastny both outperformed him offensively at the same ages (including when Stastny was here)

Krejci somehow got better his age 34 and 36 years (ROR signed for two more after this one) where Stastny offense dropped off by 30%. So it's definitely a gamble ROR may be more of a 50 point two way guy for duration of the contract. Which isn't ideal paying a lot for. Especially if Namestnikov is a 40 point two way guy in that same role...

I'll dig into this a bit more but it looks like you and @voyageur may be right if he does not bounce back strong the next 30-40 games