Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[gojetsgo]

The problem is when either they or the person reposting them pretend that it is inside information.

We get posts here from Aavco quite often. He is not an insider and doesn't pretend to be but often has interesting takes or information.

this is literally what I have a problem with rofl.... it's almost like I called out a person for posting about somebody claiming to have inside knowledge and said we shouldn't post that shit here, if it was posting somebody like aavco opinion I wouldn't give a f***...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

At the start of the year no there probably are not many teams with legit top 4 guys on thier 3rd pair. After the TDL that obviously changes for some teams.

What I was meaning is that the Jets lack of actual top 4 D has been badly exposed without Samberg. Realistically right now with everyone healthy the Jets have 2 guys that you can count on top 4 level preformance from, Morrissey and Snerg. Demelo has been that before but he's not been that at all this year. Pionk has for years been a third pairing guy and we are seeing it again that without a strong partner he's lost out there (I say that as someone that really likes Pionk and would be fine with them resigning him for 6 ish mil). When you only have two and a half top four guys and one goes down you look real shaky real quick. Honestly I dont think it even matters what side they play just go get someone with talent and some term.

Agree that DeMelo and Pionk are a little weak for the top 4. IDK what is wrong with DeMelo this year. Players have ups and downs. I hope he bounces back. I've never really liked Pionk in the top 4 and don't want to pay 6 ish mil for a 3rd pair Dman.

That said, Pionk is playing pretty well this year, even with Fleury and Fleury has surprised in a top 4 role with Snerg out. I think the real problem is at 1RD. DeMelo never was a true top pair Dman but he has managed to make it work with JMo until this year. I would like to get a better 1RD and move DeMelo to the 3rd pair, leaving Pionk where he is for now.

I wouldn't want to spend our trade capital getting another LHD. Our problem there is that they insist on playing Stanley. I guess a lefty could still be OK if they can't get a RHD, as long as he is able to play both sides.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Absolut.

How can Jet'sCat not have a Trade Bait list on SubStack??!

In other news, whilst I agree with @Mortimer Snerd that Lambo may not be quite there as a regular in the top 6, I'm in the @LowLefty camp that thinks at least some of our drafted forward prospects should be groomed as centres and not immediately shunted to the wing because not vet enough.

Who was the last centre developed in-house? Lowry?

Who's the next one? Yager?

There needs to be a viable road map for drafting and developing centres that doesn't include trading top picks every year for rentals in the hope of magically filling that 2C spot left by Little years ago.

Perfetti was supposed to be a C. They gave him, I think, 3 games. Three!

I would not want them to do the same with Lambo or Yager.

this is literally what I have a problem with rofl.... it's almost like I called out a person for posting about somebody claiming to have inside knowledge and said we shouldn't post that shit here, if it was posting somebody like aavco opinion I wouldn't give a f***...

Sure. But your proposed solution was to forbid reposting from Twitter. That may not have been your intent but I'm pretty sure it is what you said.

 

[abax44]

Perfetti was supposed to be a C. They gave him, I think, 3 games. Three!

I would not want them to do the same with Lambo or Yager.

He was injured last year and couldn't take face offs. Wonder if speed (or lack there of) is a bigger reason?

 

[gojetsgo]

Sure. But your proposed solution was to forbid reposting from Twitter. That may not have been your intent but I'm pretty sure it is what you said.

my posts were clearly about posting people claiming to have inside knowledge.. but next time I'll specify that point in every single post so you have an easier time jumping into the middle of the conversation without knowing what's going on...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Fake rumor it's true but that's the kind of swing Jets should make. Go all in on the next 3-4years with Helley and Scheif and Connor in their prime. It'd cost you A LOT but term is worth it plus imagine the duos of Scheif- Vilardi and then Connor-Larkin. Lambert+1st+Heinola+Dinvincetis+Ehlers (Or the 1st+Prospect you'd get for Ehlers)

Not sure on the details but agree in principal. Look at the resources we have spent on band-aid solutions. Bite the bullet, pay up and get it done.

I wouldn't be in any hurry to include Divincentiis. And the line combos would have to be Connor-Scheif and Larkin-Vilardi. Connor and Scheif are written in stone the same as Stanley.

 

[tbcwpg]

who knew that saying we shouldn't allow posts from random twitter users that make up lies for attention that' aren't even allowed on the main boards would have soooo much controversy... anyways I guess you guys can keep posting these rumors as legit and never have any actual idea of what's going on around the league

If someone posts some bullshit and is corrected by the time we get to it, then there's no point deleting a bunch of posts and follow ups. Also no separate thread was posted about it.

On the other hand, you're correct, the original post that started this all said that we should add Tkachuk's name to the rumour mill, which was very premature.

In this case, after Larry Brooks said he has three different people telling him that the Rangers would be interested in adding him, it does seem like his name is out there because the Rangers want it to be and not because he's actually available. So there is some "truth" in that it's coming from a recognized source, but not in that the Senators would entertain a trade, and in my opinion, they'd be stupid to because Tkachuk is the least of their issues.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I've seen fake rumors get deleted from here..

pretty sure people come here to get legit information, I don't understand why it's soo wrong to point out that a nobody just looking for attention made something up and shouldn't be taken seriously, I guess I'll just stop coming to this thread if were going to start giving attention to pure bull shit rumors

Rumours are, by definition, unsupported by fact. They may or may not be true. When they are confirmed by fact they cease to be rumours.

Edit: Nothing at all wrong with pointing out "that a nobody just looking for attention made something up and shouldn't be taken seriously". Call it as you see it.

 

[gojetsgo]

If someone posts some bullshit and is corrected by the time we get to it, then there's no point deleting a bunch of posts and follow ups. Also no separate thread was posted about it.

On the other hand, you're correct, the original post that started this all said that we should add Tkachuk's name to the rumour mill, which was very premature.

In this case, after Larry Brooks said he has three different people telling him that the Rangers would be interested in adding him, it does seem like his name is out there because the Rangers want it to be and not because he's actually available. So there is some "truth" in that it's coming from a recognized source, but not in that the Senators would entertain a trade, and in my opinion, they'd be stupid to because Tkachuk is the least of their issues.

this wasn't about tkachuk, it was about dylan larkin, somebody on twitter with 400 users claimed he had inside knowledge that larkin asked for a trade

 

[tbcwpg]

this wasn't about tkachuk, it was about dylan larkin, somebody on twitter with 400 users claimed he had inside knowledge that larkin asked for a trade

Then report those since I missed that. The report function is there. It's like complaining the police didn't respond to your car being broken into but you didn't actually call the police in the first place.

 

[gojetsgo]

Then report those since I missed that.

I simply just tried to tell somebody that it was from a fake source and it really should have been left at that lol, people started trying to defend those types of posts being allowed, but yes next time I will report them

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Again, it depends on the way these things are presented.

For instance, if I said: "My cat seems to think the Jets are going hard after Parayko, I'd do it if we could get him for a2nd and a bag of catnip" that's allowed in a thread like this because it's a rumors and speculation thread.

However, if I said "my cat knows Chevys parrot and he told him Parayko is in the bag" that would not be allowed unless the poster could vet his source with the mods.

A lot of people including big names in hockey circles throw shit at the wall to see if it sticks.

Just like in real life, you need to check sources and decide for yourself if they're trustworthy.

You can certainly point out if you think a source is shit or don't agree, it happens all the time and it's part of the discussion.

You probably shouldn't come to this thread if you're looking for only legitimate news on player movement. This thread is meant to be a fun discussion about what could happen or what you might want to happen.

Well said.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

He was injured last year and couldn't take face offs. Wonder if speed (or lack there of) is a bigger reason?

I don't remember that but it would make some sense.

I think he has improved his speed quite a bit. He is no Ehlers or Lambert but I don't see him getting left behind.

my posts were clearly about posting people claiming to have inside knowledge.. but next time I'll specify that point in every single post so you have an easier time jumping into the middle of the conversation without know what's going on...

Good, you do that.

 

[DRW204]

So does spreading fake rumors or trades apply to their mods and their bogus sources too.

 

[Bender Duster]

Hey guys - just give the conversation more gas

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What do you guys think about going after Parayko?
31 YO, under contract for 5 more years after this one, at 6.5 mil cap hit.
He does have trade protection. He might come to get back into contention.
What might it take to pry him out of StL and would he be worth that price?

 

[Wpgpage]

What do you guys think about going after Parayko?
31 YO, under contract for 5 more years after this one, at 6.5 mil cap hit.
He does have trade protection. He might come to get back into contention.
What might it take to pry him out of StL and would he be worth that price?

I would absolutely love Parayko I think his game with JMo would be absolutely perfect. I really really hope they pair together at the 4Nations as I've been wanting to see them together for years. As a trade possibility I don't think it's likely he has said numerous times he loves it in St Louis and has no interest in waiving his NTC. The Blues don't seem to be in teardown mode at all even if they are stuck in that merky middle ground. Value wise it would cost a ton there would be at least 5 other teams very interested I think you're talking about a 1st a current younger roster player and a RHD prospect. For the Jets probably something like

1st, Lambert or Yager, Salo plus maybe some fringe roster players or depth picks.

 

[Gm0ney]

What do you guys think about going after Parayko?
31 YO, under contract for 5 more years after this one, at 6.5 mil cap hit.
He does have trade protection. He might come to get back into contention.
What might it take to pry him out of StL and would he be worth that price?

He's been struggling. Not the defenseman he used to be. $6.5M/year until he's 37? No thanks.

 

[gojetsgo]

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salary cap could go up more then the usual 5%(92.5 million) this off season, we could have over 40 million available this off season, should be plenty even with the samberg/vilardi and hopefully ehlers extension

 

[Heldig]

Then report those since I missed that. The report function is there. It's like complaining the police didn't respond to your car being broken into but you didn't actually call the police in the first place.

So I inadvertently started this ****storm of a conversation.

NEVER named the twitter person (I said Red Wing Blogger type). Simply speculated that IF Larkin was looking for a new lease on his hockey life he would be a fantastic addition to the Jets.

Umbrage was taken. Some back and forth ensued with others chiming in, too. Now there IS a thread on the main boards to boot (nothing to do with me).

Sorry.

 

[Buffdog]

I simply just tried to tell somebody that it was from a fake source and it really should have been left at that lol, people started trying to defend those types of posts being allowed, but yes next time I will report them

OR, you could just read the post, note that it was from an unreliable source, choose not to believe it, and carry on with your life... like most of us did

 

[KingBogo]

I would absolutely love Parayko I think his game with JMo would be absolutely perfect. I really really hope they pair together at the 4Nations as I've been wanting to see them together for years. As a trade possibility I don't think it's likely he has said numerous times he loves it in St Louis and has no interest in waiving his NTC. The Blues don't seem to be in teardown mode at all even if they are stuck in that merky middle ground. Value wise it would cost a ton there would be at least 5 other teams very interested I think you're talking about a 1st a current younger roster player and a RHD prospect. For the Jets probably something like

1st, Lambert or Yager, Salo plus maybe some fringe roster players or depth picks.

I don't think we can gut our future like that. We've searched for a #2 center and a true top pairing RHD for years. Those players represent our best hope for that. I'd love to have Paranko as well, but he is on the back half of his career with a long term investment.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I would absolutely love Parayko I think his game with JMo would be absolutely perfect. I really really hope they pair together at the 4Nations as I've been wanting to see them together for years. As a trade possibility I don't think it's likely he has said numerous times he loves it in St Louis and has no interest in waiving his NTC. The Blues don't seem to be in teardown mode at all even if they are stuck in that merky middle ground. Value wise it would cost a ton there would be at least 5 other teams very interested I think you're talking about a 1st a current younger roster player and a RHD prospect. For the Jets probably something like

1st, Lambert or Yager, Salo plus maybe some fringe roster players or depth picks.

OK. I wouldn't pay that price. Take Salo out and we could talk. No sense in giving up a near ready prospect who might project to be just as good and under team control for 7 years. 1st, Lambert ++ maybe. Or 1st + Ehlers ++.

But all moot if he won't waive.

He's been struggling. Not the defenseman he used to be. $6.5M/year until he's 37? No thanks.

I wondered about that. IIRC there was talk of him having slipped a year or two ago. Haven't noticed anything recent so thought he might have rebounded.

 

[Wpgpage]

He's been struggling. Not the defenseman he used to be. $6.5M/year until he's 37? No thanks.

I mean his offensive impact has been pretty disappointing since 17/18 his defensive game is still fantastic and he has an absolute bomb. St Louis has for some completely unknown reason refused to play him with anyone capable of moving the puck and generating offensive zone pressure. Play him with an elite PMD and I bet his overall numbers look a lot better.

 

[Wpgpage]

I don't think we can gut our future like that. We've searched for a #2 center and a true top pairing RHD for years. Those players represent our best hope for that. I'd love to have Paranko as well, but he is on the back half of his career with a long term investment.

I wouldn't pay that price either but I think if he was going to be moved that's absolutely the type of package the Blues could get. If it was just a first plus Salo sure id pay that price.