Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Adam da bomb]

I think there is lots of room for a fair deal for Ehlers given his impact/performance (reg season + playoffs) and health.

Considering his impact this season.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Loose puck retrievals is another. Unforced turnovers and where on the ice they occur

I promise you that all teams track some or all of those to some extent

The statsnerds will tell you that those things aren't important because they'll show up in the spreadsheets they love, but that's not true in every case

How is it not true in any case? Tracking all of those other things provides useful information. But they all show up in shot attempts. They can either lead to a shot attempt by one team or the other team or they can suppress a shot attempt by one team or the other.

 

[Buffdog]

How is it not true in any case? Tracking all of those other things provides useful information. But they all show up in shot attempts. They can either lead to a shot attempt by one team or the other team or they can suppress a shot attempt by one team or the other.

Huh?

Example: Ehlers carries the puck into the zone, does two laps then turns it over up high by the blue line. Everyone on the Jets busts their asses to get back and they prevent the opposition from getting a shot off. The puck turns over and heads back up the ice and rhe Jets change

No shot attempt recorded but the stats don't reflect anything different from if Ehlers would have just cycled it down low instead of giving it away at blue line

BUT every Jet on the ice with Ehlers is pissed because they went from O zone time to busting their ass on a backcheck for no good reason

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Huh?

Example: Ehlers carries the puck into the zone, does two laps then turns it over up high by the blue line. Everyone on the Jets busts their asses to get back and they prevent the opposition from getting a shot off. The puck turns over and heads back up the ice and rhe Jets change

No shot attempt recorded but the stats don't reflect anything different from if Ehlers would have just cycled it down low instead of giving it away at blue line

BUT every Jet on the ice with Ehlers is pissed because they went from O zone time to busting their ass on a backcheck for no good reason

If no shot attempt was recorded then there is 1 less shot attempt recorded than there would have been if he had played it differently. And, in your example, the puck turned over and headed up the ice. Did the opposition get off a shot attempt? If not, there was 30 seconds of play with no SA by either side. That is a fact that shows up in the totals at the end of the game.

Does every Jet on the ice being pissed not affect their play which affects the total SA? What about the shot attempts they would have had if they had kept the puck in the O zone? Every single thing they do, or don't do, has some effect on the total shot attempts by both teams. If it doesn't lead to a SA by either team then it is the absence of a SA that could otherwise have been there. It is like that butterfly flapping its wings. Everything has a down stream effect.

 

[Whileee]

Huh?

Example: Ehlers carries the puck into the zone, does two laps then turns it over up high by the blue line. Everyone on the Jets busts their asses to get back and they prevent the opposition from getting a shot off. The puck turns over and heads back up the ice and rhe Jets change

No shot attempt recorded but the stats don't reflect anything different from if Ehlers would have just cycled it down low instead of giving it away at blue line

BUT every Jet on the ice with Ehlers is pissed because they went from O zone time to busting their ass on a backcheck for no good reason

Well sure, that might happen on occasion but the reality is that over the past 5 seasons the Jets have had more shot attempts, shots on goal and goals scored per 60 minutes with Ehlers on the ice than with any other forward (except Nino for shot attempts and shots). Ehlers is a clear leader in on-ice goals scored per 60. So, on average players playing with Ehlers get more shot attempts, more shots on goal and score more goals than when playing with other forwards. They also get better plus-minus stats, which can also help in contract negotiations.