Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[winnipegger]

I've never liked trading first round picks at the deadline. First round picks are the lifeblood of a team. Seem to recall spending a first for Hayes. Adding a few depth pieces is fine. We are going to get 60 wins for crying out loud.

 

[KingBogo]

True.
I like your version better. I believe Chevy went hard but I don't think that hard. Maybe he is the one who pushed Avs to overpay.

Honestly, I was never that sold on Nelson to begin with. He is good but in decline so I only wanted him as a rental. So I would only have paid rental price. Even then I thought it would be a gamble. On paper, Avs are very strong down the middle. Lets see how it works out on ice.

I hope Rantanen in Dallas is like Rantanen in Carolina, or even Huberdeau in Calgary. Time will tell.

I think we are in agreement the prices were too high. Nelson for a 1st and top tier prospect is a lot to pay for a rental. Ritchie is ranked higher than either Yegar or Salo, so at minimum it would have cost us 1 of those 2 along with the 1st to be in the running. Way too much IMO. We would have never been in on Rantanen but Dallas had to pay through the nose to get him. 2 - 1sts and a really good young player still only 22 and on his ELC. That's a lot to pay.

 

[raideralex99]

While the so called experts gave the Jets a fail on TDL for not addressing the 2C ... the Jets played like a team on a mission and were very happy with the TDL.
ALL 4 lines scored on the second best defensive team in the NHL
Lets see how Dallas plays tonight ... I bet you they lose and shrink the magic number for the Jets to clinch 1st place to 15 wins and 1 OTL

 

[kylbaz]

I've never liked trading first round picks at the deadline. First round picks are the lifeblood of a team. Seem to recall spending a first for Hayes. Adding a few depth pieces is fine. We are going to get 60 wins for crying out loud.

In five years would you be talking about 60 wins or winning the Stanley Cup? No one cares where you finish or how many wins you have.

Reality is a week ago we were probably in everyone's top 3 for chances of winning the cup and as of today 2-4 teams probably jumped us, in their opinions.

 

[Gm0ney]

While the so called experts gave the Jets a fail on TDL for not addressing the 2C ... the Jets played like a team on a mission and were very happy with the TDL.
ALL 4 lines scored on the second best defensive team in the NHL
Lets see how Dallas plays tonight ... I bet you they lose and shrink the magic number for the Jets to clinch 1st place to 15 wins and 1 OTL

They're a tight knit group and maybe not shaking things up too much will end up being for the best.

Aside from Stastny, the big move rentals have been disappointing. It's these smaller additions that seem to work out better and often provide lasting value: Stempniak, DeMelo, Names, Niederreiter, Miller, and hopefully Tanev and Schenn now.

 

[RestlessYoungZero]

The reality is also that a lot of these so called experts picked the Jets to fall likely to a bubble team this year.

 

[bustamente]

Not the biggest Chevy fan but the guy does seem to have to manage this team with 1 hand tied behind his back, Free Agency and the Deadline does seem to throw up obstacles with what he would like to do and what he can do.

 

[Gm0ney]

The reality is also that a lot of these so called experts picked the Jets to fall likely to a bubble team this year.

Everyone on this board is probably a more reliable expert on the Jets than the talking heads on TSN or Sportsnet. Those experts watch a handful of Jets games sporadically throughout the year and maybe catch them in the playoffs - and if last year's playoffs is half your sample, you're probably not going to be too high on the Jets.

Craig Button, who watches more Jets games than the average talking head, had the Jets making the playoffs at least (as WC1).

 

[Bob E]

Even without addressing 2C which Chevy tried to do, the Jets can run 4 lines that really doesn't have a typical 4th line. Jets have an elite scoring 1st line, a modest scoring 2nd line that still wins most of their matchups, and at worst 2-very good 3rd lines that win their matchups regularly. At worst, you can run lines 1, 3, 4 regularly in a tight physical playoff game with Ehlers on either line 3 or 4. But I don't think we'll need to do that.

The teams we will play, line 2 can likely hold their own. With a 2C like Nelson, we may be able out-score their competition more often and stand up to a more physical line, but the price was very high to grab a few more goals. Tanev may be able to generate a few more scoring chances to help compensate, as the 4th line seemed a lot more dangerous last night.

Forwards 2018 vs 2025

Line 1. C-S-W vs C-S-V Pretty much a wash, imo. More experienced this time which may help.

Line 2. Ehlers-Stastny-Laine vs Perfetti-Namestnikov-Ehlers Stats and Laine provided timely scoring, but not vs VGK in rd 3. A strong playoff scoring performance from Perfetti and Ehlers can drastically help a serious playoff run. We know they have chemistry with Names, we don't know if they would have had chemistry with Nelson. Hoping for the best here.

Line 3. Copp/Armia-Lowry-Tanev vs Nino-Lowry-Apples. Big improvement, imo. One of the best shutdown lines in the league comes with timely scoring.

Line 4. Perreault-Little-Roslovic vs Tanev-Kupari/Barron-Iafalo. Closer than one would think, but PoMo didn't play his 4th line as much as Arniel does. Very good PK'ers this year and a very effective 4th line. Where other team's 4th lines don't generate much, this year's 4th line has ability to chip in with legit 2nd or 3rd line players on this year's 4th line.

Dmen 2018 vs 2025

Top pair: Morrissey-Trouba vs Morrissey-DeMelo. Trouba was more physical, DeMelo is 'smarter'. Slight edge to 2018, but not huge, imo.

2nd pair: Chiarot/Enstrom-Big Buff vs Samberg-Pionk. Well this one we'll never be able to win unless the Jets get a player that is not only physically imposing but can score at a 0.6 ppg rate on backend. Pionk can come close scoring wise, but not physically.

3rd pair: Kulikov-Myers vs Stanley/Miller-Schenn. Now Schenn can add Buff's physicality, but Stanley gives back any gains that Schenn offers. Now if Miller or Fleury plays ahead of Stanley, this pairing can end up being close to 2018. Kuli and Myers gave up a lot, even though they would have been more offensive. Would have loved a LH dman (Oleksiak) at the deadline to replace Stanley, but that ship has sailed.

The Jets will go as far as Helle, Scheif, KFC, Lows, and JMo can take them. A strong playoff from Ehlers, Vilardi, Nino, Samberg and Pionk will definitely help.

 

[GNP]

I wonder if we had MacKinnon instead of Scheifele would it change player's minds in coming to Wpg? I'm thinking there are some players who would rather play with MacKinnon just based upon his league reputation

Players go where other players all say the best place to play is, and that’s not just about weather, because it’s cold in Edmonton, Calgary and Montreal, and they don’t have a problem attracting players. If the Jets had Mackinnon or McDavid, a lot of players would be happy to come here. If the Jets can win the Cup, Winnipeg just may be removed from NTC lists. For some players, like US born players, they likely will favour warmer destinations, with a better tax environment. Just goes to show you, how good a GM Chevy is to develop a top team, and always be in contention.

 

[winnipegger]

In five years would you be talking about 60 wins or winning the Stanley Cup? No one cares where you finish or how many wins you have.

Reality is a week ago we were probably in everyone's top 3 for chances of winning the cup and as of today 2-4 teams probably jumped us, in their opinions.

What I'm saying is the probability that the player you pay a first for will prove the difference towards winning a Stanley cup is too low for me to justify giving away a potential Josh Morrissey (13th overall) or Kyle Connor (17th overall). Remember when Chicago paid a 1st and Dano for Andrew Ladd? Ladd scored 2 points for them in a first round loss. Chicago had won the cup a year previous. Even with a great roster any team can get taken out early. Don't ruin the future.

 

[raideralex99]

Here is an interesting stat about Luke Schenn when he played one year (2022-23) for the Leafs.
His defence partner Morgan Reilly had his best playoffs that year and it was the only time the Leafs won a playoff series since 2004.

Interesting comments from MacKinnon ... you can't win with young players.

 

[ps241]

Do you remember that Trotz was getting courted by the Jets as a coach right before we hired Rick Boness. It seems like a possible sticking point was Trotz appetite for becoming a GM.

Under the category of dodging bullets and hey that Chevy guy isn’t that bad lets have a look at a post from the main boards. Topic was has anyone ever had a worse off season and trade deadline than Barry Trotz??

Credit goes to @NoNecksCurse for this post:



Feel free to add other blunders. Just going to name a few and then read the replies.

• Signed Stamkos to 4 years, 32 million. I don't think a single team would take his contract for free.
• Signed Skjei, Marchessault, and Stamkos for a combined 108.5 million. The predators are currently the 3rd worst team in the league
• Traded away Novak for Bunting (who is out for the year) but Dubas fleeced him into throwing in Schenn for a 4th round pick. He just signed Novak to a 3 year deal on March 4th 2024. Dubas turns around and flips Schenn for a 2nd and 4th round pick.
• Similarly, he paid Pittsburgh and Dubas a 3rd and 6th round pick to TAKE Cody Glass. Pittsburgh just traded Glass for a 3rd round pick.
• Signed Dante Fabbro in March and waived him. Fabbro has played well for CBJ on their top pair and logs over 20 minutes of ice time a game.
• Signed Carrier to a 3 year deal in July 2024 and traded him to MTL for Barron (bad asset management)
• Chose Saros over Askarov. Signed Saros to an 8 year, 61.9 million deal.
• Nashville is in lottery draft pick contention and made zero moves today. No transactions even listed on Milwaukee's page (our AHL affiliate).

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Even without addressing 2C which Chevy tried to do, the Jets can run 4 lines that really doesn't have a typical 4th line. Jets have an elite scoring 1st line, a modest scoring 2nd line that still wins most of their matchups, and at worst 2-very good 3rd lines that win their matchups regularly. At worst, you can run lines 1, 3, 4 regularly in a tight physical playoff game with Ehlers on either line 3 or 4. But I don't think we'll need to do that.

The teams we will play, line 2 can likely hold their own. With a 2C like Nelson, we may be able out-score their competition more often and stand up to a more physical line, but the price was very high to grab a few more goals. Tanev may be able to generate a few more scoring chances to help compensate, as the 4th line seemed a lot more dangerous last night.

Forwards 2018 vs 2025

Line 1. C-S-W vs C-S-V Pretty much a wash, imo. More experienced this time which may help.

Line 2. Ehlers-Stastny-Laine vs Perfetti-Namestnikov-Ehlers Stats and Laine provided timely scoring, but not vs VGK in rd 3. A strong playoff scoring performance from Perfetti and Ehlers can drastically help a serious playoff run. We know they have chemistry with Names, we don't know if they would have had chemistry with Nelson. Hoping for the best here.

Line 3. Copp/Armia-Lowry-Tanev vs Nino-Lowry-Apples. Big improvement, imo. One of the best shutdown lines in the league comes with timely scoring.

Line 4. Perreault-Little-Roslovic vs Tanev-Kupari/Barron-Iafalo. Closer than one would think, but PoMo didn't play his 4th line as much as Arniel does. Very good PK'ers this year and a very effective 4th line. Where other team's 4th lines don't generate much, this year's 4th line has ability to chip in with legit 2nd or 3rd line players on this year's 4th line.

Dmen 2018 vs 2025

Top pair: Morrissey-Trouba vs Morrissey-DeMelo. Trouba was more physical, DeMelo is 'smarter'. Slight edge to 2018, but not huge, imo.

2nd pair: Chiarot/Enstrom-Big Buff vs Samberg-Pionk. Well this one we'll never be able to win unless the Jets get a player that is not only physically imposing but can score at a 0.6 ppg rate on backend. Pionk can come close scoring wise, but not physically.

3rd pair: Kulikov-Myers vs Stanley/Miller-Schenn. Now Schenn can add Buff's physicality, but Stanley gives back any gains that Schenn offers. Now if Miller or Fleury plays ahead of Stanley, this pairing can end up being close to 2018. Kuli and Myers gave up a lot, even though they would have been more offensive. Would have loved a LH dman (Oleksiak) at the deadline to replace Stanley, but that ship has sailed.

The Jets will go as far as Helle, Scheif, KFC, Lows, and JMo can take them. A strong playoff from Ehlers, Vilardi, Nino, Samberg and Pionk will definitely help.

I'd say Samberg-Pionk actually rival Buff/Enstrom in 17-18 or exceed them... Samberg's D play is better than Enstrom and Pionk does actually play with an edge when he's on...

The Kulikov-Myers pairing activates my PTSD... but we also haven't seen Stan-Schenn yet...

 

[ecolad]

Imo, Jet`s success or otherwise going into the playoffs depends more on an ability to consistently play the aggressive high pressure checking game in the offensive and neutral zones of the ice (taking away time and space and creating turnovers) than the outcome of any TDL. This seems the best way that we can counter other teams that may have more elite players at key offensive positions. Essentially, stop them from gaining momentum while still on their side of the ice.
I`m encouraged that our coaching staff seem to be emphasizing this aspect of the game more and more lately; however, Arneil will have to determine fairly quickly how to best structure his D pairings as an essential component of this approach. Each pairing should have at least one D that has good mobility and smarts to take acceptable risk when "pinching down" in the offensive zone, or, when "denying entry" at our blueline. And that includes our 3rd pairing Scott.... !! I know that we need to do better when collapsed to our netfront but ensure some balance within each pairing - please.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Do you remember that Trotz was getting courted by the Jets as a coach right before we hired Rick Boness. It seems like a possible sticking point was Trotz appetite for becoming a GM.

Under the category of dodging bullets and he that Chevy guy isn’t that bad lets have a look at a post from the main boards. Topic was has anyone ever had a worse off season and trade deadline than Barry Trotz??



Feel free to add other blunders. Just going to name a few and then read the replies.

• Traded away Novak for Bunting (who is out for the year) but Dubas fleeced him into throwing in Schenn for a 4th round pick. He just signed Novak to a 3 year deal on March 4th 2024. Dubas turns around and flips Schenn for a 2nd and 4th round pick.

This is the real loss this TD imo.... how did Chevy not get in on Novak/Schenn first... think Novak would have solved a lot of problems for us and had no trade protection

 

[Thechozen1]

Fun how players don't even want to come here for a couple of months when we're #1 in the league.

All you can hope for is the to rub their stupid ugly faces in it by knocking them out of the playoffs and Winning the Cup!

 

[Gm0ney]

Do you remember that Trotz was getting courted by the Jets as a coach right before we hired Rick Boness. It seems like a possible sticking point was Trotz appetite for becoming a GM.

Under the category of dodging bullets and he that Chevy guy isn’t that bad lets have a look at a post from the main boards. Topic was has anyone ever had a worse off season and trade deadline than Barry Trotz??

Credit goes to @NoNecksCurse for this post:



Feel free to add other blunders. Just going to name a few and then read the replies.

• Signed Stamkos to 4 years, 32 million. I don't think a single team would take his contract for free.
• Signed Skjei, Marchessault, and Stamkos for a combined 108.5 million. The predators are currently the 3rd worst team in the league
• Traded away Novak for Bunting (who is out for the year) but Dubas fleeced him into throwing in Schenn for a 4th round pick. He just signed Novak to a 3 year deal on March 4th 2024. Dubas turns around and flips Schenn for a 2nd and 4th round pick.
• Similarly, he paid Pittsburgh and Dubas a 3rd and 6th round pick to TAKE Cody Glass. Pittsburgh just traded Glass for a 3rd round pick.
• Signed Dante Fabbro in March and waived him. Fabbro has played well for CBJ on their top pair and logs over 20 minutes of ice time a game.
• Signed Carrier to a 3 year deal in July 2024 and traded him to MTL for Barron (bad asset management)
• Chose Saros over Askarov. Signed Saros to an 8 year, 61.9 million deal.
• Nashville is in lottery draft pick contention and made zero moves today. No transactions even listed on Milwaukee's page (our AHL affiliate).

As a Jets fan, I'm happy that Nashville has a longstanding "never fire the GM" policy.

 

[Bob E]

Players go where other players all say the best place to play is, and that’s not just about weather, because it’s cold in Edmonton, Calgary and Montreal, and they don’t have a problem attracting players. If the Jets had Mackinnon or McDavid, a lot of players would be happy to come here. If the Jets can win the Cup, Winnipeg just may be removed from NTC lists. For some players, like US born players, they likely will favour warmer destinations, with a better tax environment. Just goes to show you, how good a GM Chevy is to develop a top team, and always be in contention.

Don't think not going to Winnipeg at the TDL as a UFA has much to do with the weather when you are only going for 3-4 months max, then you can go anywhere you want. See: Toffoli, Tyler.

I can see tax implications (though for 3-4 months, that's not as big a deal) or your chances of winning as being a bigger factor. Nelson not wanting to go to Canada (not just Winnipeg) might be more about patriotism; or thinking ahead if that is the place to resign; income taxes; or just feeling Avs have a better chance at winning with Mack and Makar.

I honestly thought the Jets record and having Helle might sway prospective players (even US players) to want to come chase a title, but I suppose Helle has a playoff record that needs some improving too.

My hope for the Jets...

a) they go on a long run to the SC Finals this year (hopefully win, obviously) so the rest of the league recognizes they have what it takes to have success and are committed to being a SC contender each year - with Helle, Scheif and Morrissey locked up for many years still.

b) Then, Connor, Samberg and Vilardi are all signed long-term to solidify top 6 forwards and top 4 d. I've left Pionk out of this, as I'm not sold that he's the guy we need in our top 4. This playoff run may answer that question and I'm ready to be proved wrong by Neal.

b) Brayden Yager becomes that legit, impact 2C within the next 2+ years (during Scheif's productive years) so we're not trying to fill that spot year after year. Though his stats are similar to Scheif or Point in Jr, my expectation is not for a PPG+ player in the NHL, rather hopefully a 50+ pt player that is strong defensively (Cirelli type). Now if Yager can eventually be a 70+ pt player and turn into a defensively sound 1C (mini-Point), that would be amazing, but that's not my expectation for him.

c) Salomonsson turns into a legit, impact top 4 dman within the next 2+ yrs to replace DeMelo as he ages out. I personally feel he will score at a rate similar to Pionk (0.5+ ppg rate), but will be a much better skater, with more size that adds some physicality. Without another option at RHD, resigning Pionk might be the route the Jets go. I think that deal will look like a boat anchor (see Schmidt or Wheeler) in 2 years, but I can see that happening.

d) Perfetti to continue to develop his 'prick' game and score at a 50+ pt pace each yr. That would be immeasurable for the Jets 2nd line, especially if he's signed long term at around Ehlers' $6Mx6.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Seems the #1 trade deadline signing is now 3C in boston - bumped by casey mittelstadt...

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Don't think not going to Winnipeg at the TDL as a UFA has much to do with the weather when you are only going for 3-4 months max, then you can go anywhere you want. See: Toffoli, Tyler.

I can see tax implications (though for 3-4 months, that's not as big a deal) or your chances of winning as being a bigger factor. Nelson not wanting to go to Canada (not just Winnipeg) might be more about patriotism; or thinking ahead if that is the place to resign; income taxes; or just feeling Avs have a better chance at winning with Mack and Makar.

I honestly thought the Jets record and having Helle might sway prospective players (even US players) to want to come chase a title, but I suppose Helle has a playoff record that needs some improving too.

My hope for the Jets...

a) they go on a long run to the SC Finals this year (hopefully win, obviously) so the rest of the league recognizes they have what it takes to have success and are committed to being a SC contender each year - with Helle, Scheif and Morrissey locked up for many years still.

b) Then, Connor, Samberg and Vilardi are all signed long-term to solidify top 6 forwards and top 4 d. I've left Pionk out of this, as I'm not sold that he's the guy we need in our top 4. This playoff run may answer that question and I'm ready to be proved wrong by Neal.

b) Brayden Yager becomes that legit, impact 2C within the next 2+ years (during Scheif's productive years) so we're not trying to fill that spot year after year. Though his stats are similar to Scheif or Point in Jr, my expectation is not for a PPG+ player in the NHL, rather hopefully a 50+ pt player that is strong defensively (Cirelli type). Now if Yager can eventually be a 70+ pt player and turn into a defensively sound 1C (mini-Point), that would be amazing, but that's not my expectation for him.

c) Salomonsson turns into a legit, impact top 4 dman within the next 2+ yrs to replace DeMelo as he ages out. I personally feel he will score at a rate similar to Pionk (0.5+ ppg rate), but will be a much better skater, with more size that adds some physicality. Without another option at RHD, resigning Pionk might be the route the Jets go. I think that deal will look like a boat anchor (see Schmidt or Wheeler) in 2 years, but I can see that happening.

d) Perfetti to continue to develop his 'prick' game and score at a 50+ pt pace each yr. That would be immeasurable for the Jets 2nd line, especially if he's signed long term at around Ehlers' $6Mx6.

No love for Ehlers?

 

[Bob E]

No love for Ehlers?

Not sure he's the answer. And his next contract will take him into his mid-30's.

Super fun to watch, but will he show up in the playoffs. If he can put up decent playoff point numbers, then I'm all for resigning him. If he doesn't, I'm leaning to getting a similar replacement for the 2nd line that has produced in the playoffs before. I guy like Boeser in FA.

Now if Brock won't sign in Winnipeg (or Canada), then we have a big problem. He has a very good relationship with Jets management and has been someone they have coveted for years if you can believe Wiebe and Murat.

 

[Bob E]

Playoff performance is important for perception, just add the Toronto Maple Leafs too.

Scheif and Connor (to a lesser degree) have produced well in the playoffs. Vilardi seems to play well in big games too. Morrissey and Lowry are typically our best players in the playoffs when we look back, year after year.

Guys that need to show up and contribute more... Ehlers, Helle and to some extent Pionk and DeMelo. If we can get typical performances from the normal playoff contributors and strong playoff performances from Helle, Ehlers, and Pionk then we could be in really good shape.

Guys like Perfetti, Samberg and Vilardi haven't played a lot in the playoffs so if they continue their regular season performance, that can be difference making.

Just limit Stanley's participation. Please.

Please.

 

[bustamente]

As a fan of Nik's since he got here I will be a very sad poster when he walks to free agency this off season. Yes you get good and bad from him sometimes on the same shift he is one of the most talented players we have on this team and the Jets wont be able to replace him.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Can you imagine how deep and dark the misery would be in Winnipeg with Trotz at the helm? He’s made a lot of moves to tank the franchise, can’t evaluate the trade market properly, has terrible asset management qualities, doesn’t seem to have any strategic outlook - and that’s in a place that ranks among the preferred free agent destinations. There is nothing to save him in Winnipeg and we would have NOTHING with him steering this team. Crisis averted.