Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Wpgpage]

And two years before he hat Colorado won with small fast d.

I think that just goes to show that there are many different ways to succeed in the playoffs. The Jets don't have to get bigger, or fast, or anything. They just need to improve thier weaknesses and maximize thier strengths in whatever way Chevy can.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think that just goes to show that there are many different ways to succeed in the playoffs. The Jets don't have to get bigger, or fast, or anything. They just need to improve thier weaknesses and maximize thier strengths in whatever way Chevy can.

And figure out a strategy that works that allows you to play your game and not the opponents like in last playoffs.

 

[DRW204]

I think that just goes to show that there are many different ways to succeed in the playoffs. The Jets don't have to get bigger, or fast, or anything. They just need to improve thier weaknesses and maximize thier strengths in whatever way Chevy can.

yup
cup winners come in all shapes and sizes. ppl chase the latest's make-up, but doesn't guarantee you will have the same success.

 

[DRW204]

 

[Moloch]

Cap is rumored to be higher than many anticipated.

Wonder what this means for Ehlers.

 

[Flair Hay]

Cap is rumored to be higher than many anticipated.

Wonder what this means for Ehlers.

A bit more money for every GM means a bit more money for every good UFA

 

[Hank Chinaski]

True that Lowry doesn't fit the template for a 2C due to lack of offense. But does that matter if he can centre a line that is effective as a second line? He is on pace for 45 pts this year. That is low end 2C range. That may rise with the line he is on now with Ehlers and AI (or Apples when he gets back). Meanwhile Nino and Perfetti look good together, even with Kupari at C.

Big IF perhaps, but if Lowry can function as an effective 2C I don't see any reason why we can't go forward with that. 3C might then be a problem, but that is much easier to fix than 2C. If Kupari can start to score playing more minutes with higher skilled players he could be that. I think the jury is still out on him. Though not for too much longer.

The bolded is exactly my problem. It’s a huge IF.

Up until this week, Lowry has never even been mentioned in the same breath as “2C”. Hell, I remember the days when people thought he was essentially a 4C and nothing more. I get he has looked capable in that role for a few games, but as you said, I think the absolute max upside for him is as a 40-45 point scorer. I feel like we’re reverting back to the days when Nik Antropov and/or Olli Jokinen were filling that role!

Bottom line, IMO we need a forward reinforcement that is universally viewed and rates out as a top 6 scorer. As I said, I would settle for a utility F that can play wing and pivot. Ideally it’s a natural C.

 

[Bob E]

The Athletic has some contract projections up today for all our UFA/RFAs.

Samberg is 4 x $4.1m
Pionk is 5 x $7.8m
Ehlers is 5 x $8.4m
Vilardi is 4 x $7.1m

Term is generally too short, but the AAV isn't bad for 3 of 4 of them. Hard pass on Pionk for me.

Those deals look pretty close to the eye test, as well, except for Pionk. Even though he's put up great numbers so far this year, that Pionk deal would be a non-starter if I was GM.

Almost $8M for Pionk is a huge contract and will be an anchor and cap buster for this team for many years. I'm even worried the Jets give him a slight increase (to JMo's level) and it being a bad contract soon afterwards. If that's what he would get in FA, then I'd seriously look to move him before the TD in a deal for a replacement RH dman.

The other deals I would sign immediately, if the players agree to them.

 

[bustamente]

Doesn't matter how high the cap goes the Jets aren't giving Pionk 7.8m actually don't think a team in the NHL would touch that.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I imagine kc will see what ehlers gets and decide his next contract based on that. If ehlers goes team friendly Connor willl to, but, it will still be a really high number.

 

[KingBogo]

Doesn't matter how high the cap goes the Jets aren't giving Pionk 7.8m actually don't think a team in the NHL would touch that.

Agreed and I'm probably a bigger Pionk fan than most people around here. Also the Samberg prediction of $4.1 is too low. I'll guess Pionk at $6 M and Samberg at $5.5 M

 

[bustamente]

Agreed and I'm probably a bigger Pionk fan than most people around here. Also the Samberg prediction of $4.1 is too low. I'll guess Pionk at $6 M and Samberg at $5.5 M

Yup that's a modest raise for Pionk, as for Samberg you can't really bridge him so it will have to be a bigger ticket and probably longer term.

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

Watching the Sabres game. A guy like Alex Tuch a bit intriguing.
Big body, 28 years old, Under contract this year AND next at 4.75 million.
14 goals and 32 points in 44 games this year. Plus 15.
22 goals and 59 points last season.
36 goals and 79 points 2 seasons ago.

Sabres last place in the east.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The bolded is exactly my problem. It’s a huge IF.

Up until this week, Lowry has never even been mentioned in the same breath as “2C”. Hell, I remember the days when people thought he was essentially a 4C and nothing more. I get he has looked capable in that role for a few games, but as you said, I think the absolute max upside for him is as a 40-45 point scorer. I feel like we’re reverting back to the days when Nik Antropov and/or Olli Jokinen were filling that role!

Bottom line, IMO we need a forward reinforcement that is universally viewed and rates out as a top 6 scorer. As I said, I would settle for a utility F that can play wing and pivot. Ideally it’s a natural C.

Yes it is a big if. But early results are promising. All that means is that for all this time we were all so focused on his shutdown role play that we never considered anything else. As a 2C he isn't a line driver, but he has been an enabler so far. It is still an experiment, but one worth continuing. Maybe he turns out to be capable of more than we thought.

He is on pace for 45 pts already having played with Apples and Nino on a mainly checking line. If it continues to be successful his scoring should improve with Ehlers and Iafallo.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Tuch would be nice...not sure what the Sabres can do to fix their team.

I also like:

Alex Lafreniere
Oliver Bjorkstrand
Connor Garland
Drake Batherson

as 2nd line wingers with a little more playoff moxie than Perfetti and scoring touch than Iafallo.

Need Nikki to sign though, before you can make a move.

 

[Gm0ney]

Cap is rumored to be higher than many anticipated.

Wonder what this means for Ehlers.

Friedman was talking about a $95M to $97M cap next season back in November. They'll easily be cracking $100M by 2026-27.

 

[roccerfeller]

Watching the Sabres game. A guy like Alex Tuch a bit intriguing.
Big body, 28 years old, Under contract this year AND next at 4.75 million.
14 goals and 32 points in 44 games this year. Plus 15.
22 goals and 59 points last season.
36 goals and 79 points 2 seasons ago.

Sabres last place in the east.

Tuch doesn’t want to leave the buffalo area.

Sabres don’t have a lot of top players who want to stay and play for the home town/region team

Don’t get me Wrong - I’d welcome tuch
And no one is untouchable, trades can be forced etc

But if he has his way - and his current situation is he does have his way - he’s not going to move or be moved

 

[roccerfeller]

Friedman was talking about a $95M to $97M cap next season back in November. They'll easily be cracking $100M by 2026-27.

Interesting. A few years ago I was certain some teams like oilers would be in cap hell trying to keep a squad with mcdavid draisaitl Bouchard nurse all together taking up (presumably) 40ish % of team salary but if it goes that high then they may still be able to keep a decent squad together.

I had an inkling their best shot at a cup was this year or next before mcdavids and Bouchard pay raises kicked in

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

Edit.

 

[KingBogo]

Checking out some more trade possibilities.
I like Bo Horvat from the Islanders.
This year and 3 more left at 8.5 million.
Solid 2 way center who has topped 20 goals 7 times.
No clauses that prevent a trade.
Gives us a center the next few years.
Islanders next to last.

According to Puckpedia Horvat has a full no trade clause.

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

According to Puckpedia Horvat has a full no trade clause.

You are correct, my error. Thanks.

 

[KingBogo]

You are correct, my error. Thanks.

Funny thing is the NYI hand out no trade clauses like candy. There are only a couple players on the team that don't have any trade protection, so their hands are totally tied trying to make any roster moves.

 

[DRW204]

Someone brought up Chytil in the Perfetti thread. As a 2-3C I like it. I'd like the Jets to aim higher but the market may not have much available.

I liked Chytil as a potential PLD return. Brings that speed element,, good underlying stats for a couple years too. I think he'd be a V good fit with Nino and Ehlers.

Then Iafallo-Lowry-Appleton, and Perfetti and two of Kupari, Names or Barron.

 

[ps241]

The bolded is exactly my problem. It’s a huge IF.

Up until this week, Lowry has never even been mentioned in the same breath as “2C”. Hell, I remember the days when people thought he was essentially a 4C and nothing more. I get he has looked capable in that role for a few games, but as you said, I think the absolute max upside for him is as a 40-45 point scorer. I feel like we’re reverting back to the days when Nik Antropov and/or Olli Jokinen were filling that role!

Bottom line, IMO we need a forward reinforcement that is universally viewed and rates out as a top 6 scorer. As I said, I would settle for a utility F that can play wing and pivot. Ideally it’s a natural C.

I would keep trying this for a while to stress test “IF”.

Nik can drive a line and I do like the comparison Whileee mentioned with Lowry in the S Bennett J Staal 2nd line centre mold. Nik and Adam haven’t played together much if at all and Nik is so one of a kind that nobody knows how this might shape up. Don’t forget “IF” it works it also saves us our 1st round draft pick in 2025.

If we bail on the LE pair and make our annual move to plug this hole “AGAIN” between now and the deadline, let’s make it a hockey trade with at least one additional season of term please, hopefully more.

 

[gojetsgo]

I would keep trying this for a while to stress test “IF”.

Nik can drive a line and I do like the comparison Whileee mentioned with Lowry in the S Bennett J Staal 2nd line centre mold. Nik and Adam haven’t played together much if at all and Nik is so one of a kind that nobody knows how this might shape up. Don’t forget “IF” it works it also saves us our 1st round draft pick in 2025.

If we bail on the LE pair and make our annual move to plug this hole “AGAIN” between now and the deadline, let’s make it a hockey trade with at least one additional season of term please, hopefully more.

yeah, I'm pretty sure the org will want to give lowry + ehlers a long look before the deadline to see if they can work, pretty much every team is looking for centers and there are hardly any available, if those 2 can work out then they will probably go after a top 6 winger which shouldn't cost as much and be easier to find