2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[freakydallas13]

Flyers are undefeated in Abols era!

Excuse you, this is the weird era. Which is also undefeated.

He turned around 3 teams, TB, CBJ and now the Flyers.
That seems to be where he's best suited and that will certainly hurt your aggregate record.

Teams can be turned around for reasons other than the coach, he also torpedoed Vancouver in his time there. Tory's is good at being hired on teams already primed for an upswing, I'll give him that.

 

[freakydallas13]

He says things all the time. Like how he said safe is death, but he's one of the safest coaches the league has ever known. Or that he didn't know Sanheim has family coming. He is quite a liar.

The reality is that he is indeed taking away from MM's offensive game. It's insane how much he's been reeled in compared to early season.

He also said he's not here to develop players at the cost of wins, but that routinely gets ignored.

 

[freakydallas13]

So your objection is he does too good a job of coaching up players?

Not sure about ponder, but my objection is he's a coach who squeezes blood from a stone in terms of standings and roster, when this team needed the opposite for a rebuild. He's not a bad coach, just the wrong one for a rebuild.

 

[pit]

Torts turning around the Flyers.

 

[MJL66]

Torts turning around the Flyers.

The first time I watched that and saw that scene, I laughed my balls off. Hysterical.

 

[MJL66]

The most hysterical aspect of Briere's press conference is when he talks about how hard it is to get out of the bottom if you tank. Doesn't want to get stuck there. Never mind that this franchise has been stuck in a repeating cycle for over a decade and they're going to use the same methods and philosophies that has kept them stuck for over a decade. Talk about dysfunctional lack of awareness.

 

[MJL66]

He's also said he doesn't want to take away from Michkov's offensive game.
And he's not expecting Michkov to be a Selke candidate, just wants to polish some of the rough edges off the puck.

As Michkov gets stronger (still gets knocked off the puck too much), a little quicker and has more experience in the NHL game, he should raise his game a notch or two the next couple seasons.

How do you teach offense to someone like Michkov anyway?
At that level it's instinct, as soon as the defense reacts, he's going to go off script.
Torts has resigned himself to "no, no, . . . Yes!"

If a player can't be taught offense, why do NHL teams hire an assistant like Rocky Thompson? Why do NHL teams hire assistants responsible for coaching the offensive aspects of the game? Offense can be taught the same as defensive coverage can.

 

[ponder719]

So your objection is he does too good a job of coaching up players?

My objection is that he gets bad teams about halfway there, but no further. Tortorella is too good of a coach to allow a team to bottom out and collect talent, but his system hard caps the team at "good, but not great," which in recent years has looked more like "average, but not good." Tortorella in Edmonton would probably be a brilliant fit, at least for the first year or two. They already have the talent on the front end to overcome his absolute lack of understanding of offense, and their defense and goaltending would be vastly improved by his system. Torts here doesn't have the offensive talent, and improving our D and G hard caps us in the mushy middle.

 

[ybnvs]

Thoughts on Boosh's "How do you like them Abols!" line?

Was almost OK the first time, if Abols had at least scored or assisted. Not on an "almost" play.

When the game returned from break and he did it a 2nd time it was cringeworthy.

 

[MJL66]

So your objection is he does too good a job of coaching up players?

He doesn't coach up players. He coaches up teams. He applies structure and gets buy in. Coaches a team to play a conservative style that makes a team better than the individual parts. The issue is that playing his style has a very low ceiling. If it's not going to lead to building a legit cup contending team, then it only hurts you. With a more talented team, his coaching and style of play actually limits a team. Which is why his record is what it is. He is essentially a high level interim coach. His usefulness has expired. However he is the spiritual advisor to the team and has the highest level of influence. It is a dead end for the Flyers

 

[BiggE]

He turned around 3 teams, TB, CBJ and now the Flyers.
That seems to be where he's best suited and that will certainly hurt your aggregate record.

If by “turned around” the Flyers you mean he took them from a team with a legit shot of picking in the top 5 of the draft to one that will pick in the 10-15 range, well then yeah, ok.

 

[renberg]

The issue is that playing his style has a very low ceiling. If it's not going to lead to building a legit cup contending team, then it only hurts you. With a more talented team, his coaching and style of play actually limits a team. Which is why his record is what it is

His history has been the same for individual players. The system that he uses robs players of their offensive capacities. Then when he's gone and the players return to being what they should have been all along. He tries to take credit for turning around their careers. Look at the number of Flyers on this roster who have seen their offensive skills regress. Only one, Tippett, has improved. TK is what he is because he ignores Tortorella and goes about his business.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Torts turning around the Flyers.

100 % this, what the hell have the Flyers turned around from LOL

 

[MJL66]

His history has been the same for individual players. The system that he uses robs players of their offensive capacities. Then when he's gone and the players return to being what they should have been all along. He tries to take credit for turning around their careers. Look at the number of Flyers on this roster who have seen their offensive skills regress. Only one, Tippett, has improved. TK is what he is because he ignores Tortorella and goes about his business.

I agree except for Tippett. He has regressed this year.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He turned around 3 teams, TB, CBJ and now the Flyers.
That seems to be where he's best suited and that will certainly hurt your aggregate record.

CBJ had one standout year and sucked or was mediocre the rest of the time. That's not a turnaround, that's purgatory.

 

[dragonoffrost]

CBJ had one standout year and sucked or was mediocre the rest of the time. That's not a turnaround, that's purgatory.

One standout year ... why.... BOB!

Same with Hank in NY

Tampa's cup year Khabibulin was outstanding.

 

[Beef Invictus]

One standout year ... why.... BOB!

Same with Hank in NY

Tampa's cup year Khabibulin was outstanding.

If not for Hank and Bob Tortorella has nothing since TB. Absolutely nothing. He held back a really really strong roster in NY. The only way his teams go anywhere is if he's got a HOF goalie.

We know goalies aren't actually the scapegoat this year because he's had goaltending here. It didn't matter. It is a dead-end approach to the sport. Trying not to lose is losing.

 

[mr figgles]

100 % this, what the hell have the Flyers turned around from LOL

He took them from a team that sucked, but picked in the top 5 to a team that sucks still and picks in the teens.

 

[deadhead]

His history has been the same for individual players. The system that he uses robs players of their offensive capacities. Then when he's gone and the players return to being what they should have been all along. He tries to take credit for turning around their careers. Look at the number of Flyers on this roster who have seen their offensive skills regress. Only one, Tippett, has improved. TK is what he is because he ignores Tortorella and goes about his business.

Really? Give some examples.

TK doesn't ignore Torts, Torts gave him more PT and responsibility, and he took it to the next level.
Brink has improved by leaps and bounds, so has Cates. Foerster has turned into a solid NHL PF.
Frost did nothing before Torts arrived. (55g 4-10 14 1.32 pp/60)
Sanheim is having his career year.

Farabee is actually playing a similar game to his past seasons, just bad puck luck this season, given his "normal" Sh% he'd be close to his normal scoring rate.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Brink and TK actively ignore Tortorella's admonitions against playmaking. They see those passes and they take them. Other players like Couturier, Farabee, and Frost have obeyed and had their playmaking severely curtailed.

The two best lines featuring guys who are willing to ignore archaic and malfunctional thinking isn't a coincidence.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Really? Give some examples.

TK doesn't ignore Torts, Torts gave him more PT and responsibility, and he took it to the next level.
Brink has improved by leaps and bounds, so has Cates. Foerster has turned into a solid NHL PF.
Frost did nothing before Torts arrived. (55g 4-10 14 1.32 pp/60)
Sanheim is having his career year.

Farabee is actually playing a similar game to his past seasons, just bad puck luck this season, given his "normal" Sh% he'd be close to his normal scoring rate.

How many times has Torts called out/benched TK this year....


Well here was an easy example.


And this quote doesn't happen if he isn't ignoring Torts on some stuff.