2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

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Flyers are undefeated in Abols era!
Excuse you, this is the weird era. Which is also undefeated.

He turned around 3 teams, TB, CBJ and now the Flyers.
That seems to be where he's best suited and that will certainly hurt your aggregate record.
Teams can be turned around for reasons other than the coach, he also torpedoed Vancouver in his time there. Tory's is good at being hired on teams already primed for an upswing, I'll give him that.
 
He says things all the time. Like how he said safe is death, but he's one of the safest coaches the league has ever known. Or that he didn't know Sanheim has family coming. He is quite a liar.

The reality is that he is indeed taking away from MM's offensive game. It's insane how much he's been reeled in compared to early season.
He also said he's not here to develop players at the cost of wins, but that routinely gets ignored.
 
Torts turning around the Flyers.

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The most hysterical aspect of Briere's press conference is when he talks about how hard it is to get out of the bottom if you tank. Doesn't want to get stuck there. Never mind that this franchise has been stuck in a repeating cycle for over a decade and they're going to use the same methods and philosophies that has kept them stuck for over a decade. Talk about dysfunctional lack of awareness.
 
He's also said he doesn't want to take away from Michkov's offensive game.
And he's not expecting Michkov to be a Selke candidate, just wants to polish some of the rough edges off the puck.

As Michkov gets stronger (still gets knocked off the puck too much), a little quicker and has more experience in the NHL game, he should raise his game a notch or two the next couple seasons.

How do you teach offense to someone like Michkov anyway?
At that level it's instinct, as soon as the defense reacts, he's going to go off script.
Torts has resigned himself to "no, no, . . . Yes!"
If a player can't be taught offense, why do NHL teams hire an assistant like Rocky Thompson? Why do NHL teams hire assistants responsible for coaching the offensive aspects of the game? Offense can be taught the same as defensive coverage can.
 
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So your objection is he does too good a job of coaching up players?

My objection is that he gets bad teams about halfway there, but no further. Tortorella is too good of a coach to allow a team to bottom out and collect talent, but his system hard caps the team at "good, but not great," which in recent years has looked more like "average, but not good." Tortorella in Edmonton would probably be a brilliant fit, at least for the first year or two. They already have the talent on the front end to overcome his absolute lack of understanding of offense, and their defense and goaltending would be vastly improved by his system. Torts here doesn't have the offensive talent, and improving our D and G hard caps us in the mushy middle.
 
So your objection is he does too good a job of coaching up players?
He doesn't coach up players. He coaches up teams. He applies structure and gets buy in. Coaches a team to play a conservative style that makes a team better than the individual parts. The issue is that playing his style has a very low ceiling. If it's not going to lead to building a legit cup contending team, then it only hurts you. With a more talented team, his coaching and style of play actually limits a team. Which is why his record is what it is. He is essentially a high level interim coach. His usefulness has expired. However he is the spiritual advisor to the team and has the highest level of influence. It is a dead end for the Flyers
 
The issue is that playing his style has a very low ceiling. If it's not going to lead to building a legit cup contending team, then it only hurts you. With a more talented team, his coaching and style of play actually limits a team. Which is why his record is what it is
His history has been the same for individual players. The system that he uses robs players of their offensive capacities. Then when he's gone and the players return to being what they should have been all along. He tries to take credit for turning around their careers. Look at the number of Flyers on this roster who have seen their offensive skills regress. Only one, Tippett, has improved. TK is what he is because he ignores Tortorella and goes about his business.
 
His history has been the same for individual players. The system that he uses robs players of their offensive capacities. Then when he's gone and the players return to being what they should have been all along. He tries to take credit for turning around their careers. Look at the number of Flyers on this roster who have seen their offensive skills regress. Only one, Tippett, has improved. TK is what he is because he ignores Tortorella and goes about his business.
I agree except for Tippett. He has regressed this year.
 
One standout year ... why.... BOB!

Same with Hank in NY

Tampa's cup year Khabibulin was outstanding.

If not for Hank and Bob Tortorella has nothing since TB. Absolutely nothing. He held back a really really strong roster in NY. The only way his teams go anywhere is if he's got a HOF goalie.

We know goalies aren't actually the scapegoat this year because he's had goaltending here. It didn't matter. It is a dead-end approach to the sport. Trying not to lose is losing.
 
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His history has been the same for individual players. The system that he uses robs players of their offensive capacities. Then when he's gone and the players return to being what they should have been all along. He tries to take credit for turning around their careers. Look at the number of Flyers on this roster who have seen their offensive skills regress. Only one, Tippett, has improved. TK is what he is because he ignores Tortorella and goes about his business.
Really? Give some examples.

TK doesn't ignore Torts, Torts gave him more PT and responsibility, and he took it to the next level.
Brink has improved by leaps and bounds, so has Cates. Foerster has turned into a solid NHL PF.
Frost did nothing before Torts arrived. (55g 4-10 14 1.32 pp/60)
Sanheim is having his career year.

Farabee is actually playing a similar game to his past seasons, just bad puck luck this season, given his "normal" Sh% he'd be close to his normal scoring rate.
 
Brink and TK actively ignore Tortorella's admonitions against playmaking. They see those passes and they take them. Other players like Couturier, Farabee, and Frost have obeyed and had their playmaking severely curtailed.

The two best lines featuring guys who are willing to ignore archaic and malfunctional thinking isn't a coincidence.
 
Really? Give some examples.

TK doesn't ignore Torts, Torts gave him more PT and responsibility, and he took it to the next level.
Brink has improved by leaps and bounds, so has Cates. Foerster has turned into a solid NHL PF.
Frost did nothing before Torts arrived. (55g 4-10 14 1.32 pp/60)
Sanheim is having his career year.

Farabee is actually playing a similar game to his past seasons, just bad puck luck this season, given his "normal" Sh% he'd be close to his normal scoring rate.
How many times has Torts called out/benched TK this year....


Well here was an easy example.


And this quote doesn't happen if he isn't ignoring Torts on some stuff.

 
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Wheeler has the Flyers system at #18 in his latest review.
Graduated Michkov and Brink, and Rizzo and Desnoyers aged out.

Bonk, Jett are first tier.
Andrae, Zavragin, Barkey second tier
Bjarnason, Kolosov, Berglund, Gill, Powell, Grans, McDonald, Bump, Tuomaala, Knuble
[think he overrates Powell, underates Ciernak, his final cut, Ruohonen and Sotheran]

With Michkov and (Gauthier) gone, and Drysdale graduated, it's thin at the top, but good depth in terms of depth players with a shot at bottom six/third pair roles. I suspect they'll be top 10, top 5 if they trade Risto/Laughton for more picks, in his August rankings.

Bonk: He just looks like he’s going to be a solid two-way defenseman who can influence play and potentially help out on both special teams even if he’s not a natural power-play quarterback or your prototypical penalty killer. He projects as a No. 3-5 defenseman.

Jett: He’s got really good balance, posture and mechanics and while I wouldn’t call his upper-echelon skating elite, it’s a definite asset and he’s got some pull-away speed. . . . But it’s the consistency of his reads, paths and decisions that define his game. He makes the right play with the puck almost always and he’s extremely unselfish. . . . He’s got a chance to be a reliable, fast, intelligent all-situations center but I don’t see a ton of offense in his game in terms of a top-of-the-lineup NHL outlook . . . He’s got quieter tools and habits that should help him (the routes, the pressure points, the penalty killing upside, the strength, the skating, good poise on the puck and vision) but he doesn’t have loud elements that really scream NHL skill player.

Barkey: (has him at 5'10 171) Despite his size, Barkey can play center as well as the wing and wins his fair share of battles through his skating, motor and pure determination. He can play in all situations, is a highly effective penalty killer and has a way of setting the tone on his line and dragging everyone else into the fight. He’s got hustle, jump and skill in between. I think he’s got a chance to surprise some people and make it as an up-and-down-the-lineup NHLer as a smaller player. (noted a slow start, but didn't mention having mono, may not have realized that).

Berglund: Berglund can make some plays in the offensive zone and off the cycle, holds onto and protects pucks well and is generally impactful along the wall. He’s got size (6-foot-4, over 200 pounds), can play the middle or the wing, controls pucks off his hips quite well and has shown some offensive zone instincts over the last two seasons. His skating is quite unnatural, though, . . . He’ll need to work on his acceleration and stride in order to play in the NHL. Otherwise, there’s a lot of pro quality in his game as a potential bottom-sixer.

Gill: He’s not a strong athlete or skater and needs to get stronger, which is where the development will start. He relies on his offensive smarts and calm. He does have a lanky, long 6-foot-4 frame to fill out, though, and some puck skill and offensive intuition (he’s also an August birthday). He sees the ice well, shapes passes and shots through coverage, manages the umbrella really well and plays hard defensively (including on the penalty kill) for the Oceanic despite still having work to do on his skating. He’s a very good two-way D at the junior level already and it feels like he’s got some real development in front of him still.

Grans: There’s still some rawness to his even-strength play and he can look a little stilted on his pivots, but his game has some form defensively. . . . Grans has the potential to be a bottom-pairing defenseman with some two-way value and size. . . . I’d rather see him looking to make things happen than playing passively, though there have been some benefits to a shift towards the latter. He’s not a perfect player but he’s an option and I think he’s got more to give and should continue to figure out who he is.

McDonald: Big (6-foot-4, over 200 pounds) and strong left-shot defenseman. . . He plays hard, defends firmly and confidently, skates well, has a good stick and brings a physical element. His upside will be limited by his puck play but he has a good first pass and . . . moving pucks in the flow of play just fine. . . He’s got the utility/shot-blocking/penalty-killing role down and knows who he is. He could become a No. 6-8 D for them.

Bump: He’s not a penalty killer or a go-to defensive guy in college and that could limit the number of possible jobs for him to win in the NHL but Bump’s a strong, 6-foot-2, 200-pound winger with a natural release and skill who can make plays. . . He needs to work to add more speed and pace to his game as well but he’s a good athlete who is strong on his feet. If he can round out his game and improve his skating, he’ll have a chance. If he doesn’t, he’s probably still good organizational depth to have in the AHL.

Knuble: Knuble’s a stocky and strong 5-foot-11 forward whose game is defined by its pro habits, work ethic, drive and instincts on and off the puck. He works, involves himself in all three zones and has proven he can drive play and results at two different levels now. . . I wouldn’t be surprised to see him work his way into call-up territory or find a niche as a hardworking fourth-liner. He plays to the Flyers’ identity.
 
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Briere basically saying he's going to be risk-averse is a punch in the guts.
I don't think he's saying that at all, what he's saying is he's going to be patient, if a player isn't a rental, he feels no pressure to sell low.

I think Laughton, Risto, Poehling and Hathaway are all available at the right price.
But without NHL ready depth, he's not going to strip the roster and have to play Desnoyers or Tuomaala.

Laughton at 4LW would be the easiest to replace after the TDL.
Risto means Andrae - Zamula or Zamula - Grans, a definite dropoff until Bonk is ready.
Poehling means moving Laughton to 4C (if he's still here) or Abols at 4C.
Hathaway means Lycksell or Abols on their off side.

Farabee but only if you don't want a discount.
Anyone else, make me an offer I can't refuse.
 

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