2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[deadhead]

As far as Buium v Luchanko, either one would help this team, since the two gapping holes are LHD and center.

Don't buy they passed on Buium b/c of size, he's going to be 6'0 200 lbs or so, that's small?
Big, offensively skilled D-men are top five picks (unicorns), so it was always going to be a tradeoff.
It may be with the rule changes more "undersized" offensive D-men are having success, so they're being devalued relative to big mobile D-men and centers.

May depend how they see the 2025 draft shaking out, if there are multiple offense first LHDs they expect to be available in the top 40, but few top 6 center candidates, this might be a multi-draft gamble. Don't have enough information to have an opinion.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

As far as Buium v Luchanko, either one would help this team, since the two gapping holes are LHD and center.

Don't buy they passed on Buium b/c of size, he's going to be 6'0 200 lbs or so, that's small?
Big, offensively skilled D-men are top five picks (unicorns), so it was always going to be a tradeoff.
It may be with the rule changes more "undersized" offensive D-men are having success, so they're being devalued relative to big mobile D-men and centers.

May depend how they see the 2025 draft shaking out, if there are multiple offense first LHDs they expect to be available in the top 40, but few top 6 center candidates, this might be a multi-draft gamble. Don't have enough information to have an opinion.

HE SAID IT. YOU CAN’T JUST IGNORE WHAT PEOPLE SAY WHEN IT GOES AGAINST YOUR STANCES WHEN THE ACTIONS MATCH THE STATEMENTS!

They’re telling us who they are, believe them, because their actions match what they are saying.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

HE SAID IT. YOU CAN’T JUST IGNORE WHAT PEOPLE SAY WHEN IT GOES AGAINST YOUR STANCES.

Really wish I could see what made you post in all caps but then I'd actually have to read deadhead or ghostsbeer

 

[JojoTheWhale]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806893450291454037

 

[renberg]

Dont get me wrong I want the team to succeed I just dont see it happening without significant changes at the top, which a lot posters have stressed.

Nothing will improve until the guy behind the bench gets burned.

 

[deadhead]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806893450291454037

I know you take that stuff with a grain of salt.

I tend to rely on "revealed preference." [for laymen, "watch what I do, not what I say"]

If they really thought Buium was going to be a great player (i.e. Makar or Fox) do you think they would have hesitated to take him?

I see it more as being politic, it would have been tacky to provide their real reasons for passing on Buium (though knocking Buium would fit the narrative around here that it's all "PR").

Now they may end up being wrong, but it's pretty obvious they thought Luchanko was in the same tier as a prospect.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I know you take that stuff with a grain of salt.

I tend to rely on "revealed preference." [for laymen, "watch what I do, not what I say"]

If they really thought Buium was going to be a great player (i.e. Makar or Fox) do you think they would have hesitated to take him?

I see it more as being politic, it would have been tacky to provide their real reasons for passing on Buium (though knocking Buium would fit the narrative around here that it's all "PR").

Now they may end up being wrong, but it's pretty obvious they thought Luchanko was in the same tier as a prospect.

Yes, of course.

But Charlie asked a specific question to which he chose to give an even more specific answer and then tried to walk it back the next day. That feels materially different to me than the usual generic PR.

As I say every time this is brought up, fantastic job by COC on this one. It's so nice to be able to say that.

 

[deadhead]

The irony is CF would have taken Buium.
He was always "safety first" in his dealings, that is, don't go out on a limb.
Which is why his trades were always "consensus value," that is, he'd pay what other teams generally would pay in trades and in free agency.

His problem was he bought the wrong things at the store.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The irony is CF would have taken Buium.
He was always "safety first" in his dealings, that is, don't go out on a limb.
Which is why his trades were always "consensus value," that is, he'd pay what other teams generally would pay in trades and in free agency.

His problem was he bought the wrong things at the store.

I have zero faith whatsoever they would have taken Buium. 2019 was a Fletcher draft where they went out on two giant limbs in R1.

Hell, you can argue they went out on 4 different limbs to make that York pick.

I might add that was one case where I and others wanted the big Defenseman over the small one.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You and others talk about NAK like he is some good player. NAK had his shot. He failed and was passed over. Got a change of scenery and now is a borderline NHL plyer.

He is not a good example of the Flyers failed process. If he is then pretty much every team has a failed process. People still talk about NAK is pure entertainment.

Has any other player gone on to anything worthwhile because of the Flyers failed process? Is there a pattern of "misses" who have gone Elshere to contribute? Maybe just maybe those players are just not good enough. Nah can't be. To me it is the draft that is the main issue. Not Devlopment.

Do not misconstrue that I think the Flyer's process is good or anything to that nature. They are incompetent. No argument here.

He didn't fail, is the thing. The team wrongly think he did, which they continue to do with other players because they overvalue veteran 4th liners. That's the whole problem.

 

[freakydallas13]

Of course EJ is needed, did anyone claim Attard on waivers? That was your alternative, a player that even bad teams don't think is worth looking at. EJ is a serviceable veteran, perfect for #7. Better than Staal or Belpedio.

Why did a rebuilding team need to add a veteran rental at the deadline? He absolutely was not needed, they even missed the playoffs while adding him.

 

[freakydallas13]

The idea that a mediocre AHL player is suddenly going to blossom if you give him 15 minutes a night in the NHL is absurd.

What about a mediocre 18 year old?

 

[deadhead]

I have zero faith whatsoever they would have taken Buium. 2019 was a Fletcher draft where they went out on two giant limbs in R1.

Hell, you can argue they went out on 4 different limbs to make that York pick.

I might add that was one case where I and others wanted the big Defenseman over the small one.

I think it was York and Brink v Boldy or Caufield. But they certainly weren't size queens that draft.

Not sure what big D-man you're talking about, Soderstrom?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I know you take that stuff with a grain of salt.

I tend to rely on "revealed preference." [for laymen, "watch what I do, not what I say"]

If they really thought Buium was going to be a great player (i.e. Makar or Fox) do you think they would have hesitated to take him?

I see it more as being politic, it would have been tacky to provide their real reasons for passing on Buium (though knocking Buium would fit the narrative around here that it's all "PR").

Now they may end up being wrong, but it's pretty obvious they thought Luchanko was in the same tier as a prospect.

You do not take it with a grain of salt when their actions match their statements.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I think it was York and Brink v Boldy or Caufield. But they certainly weren't size queens that draft.

Not sure what big D-man you're talking about, Soderstrom?

Harley.

They couldn’t possibly have known Brink would be available. Hell, they traded back up to get him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The irony is CF would have taken Buium.
He was always "safety first" in his dealings, that is, don't go out on a limb.
Which is why his trades were always "consensus value," that is, he'd pay what other teams generally would pay in trades and in free agency.

His problem was he bought the wrong things at the store.

His trades weren't consensus value. They were losses.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Of course EJ is needed, did anyone claim Attard on waivers? That was your alternative, a player that even bad teams don't think is worth looking at. EJ is a serviceable veteran, perfect for #7. Better than Staal or Belpedio.

It was a 1st and cap room for Walker, Briere was smart enough not to take a 2nd (#50+) and a C asset to save cap room they don't need at this point in a rebuild. You want to save that cap room so you can garner a 3rd rd pick at the TDL? Cap room isn't worth what is was 2-3 years ago with a flat cap.

They'll look at Luchanko, but odds are 3C is Cates and 4LW is Laughton.
Again, no one claimed Lycksell or Richard.

If teams don't claim your waiver cuts they're saying those are marginal players.
Sure they might step up at some point, but if the Flyers actually put them in the lineup to start the season you'd be saying how much the team sucks if they have to start someone like Lycksell or Attard.

Waivers are not a good gauge of player value. Every game NAK and Ghost play, proves this notion wrong.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No

You and others talk about NAK like he is some good player. NAK had his shot. He failed and was passed over. Got a change of scenery and now is a borderline NHL plyer.

He is not a good example of the Flyers failed process. If he is then pretty much every team has a failed process. People still talk about NAK is pure entertainment.

Has any other player gone on to anything worthwhile because of the Flyers failed process? Is there a pattern of "misses" who have gone Elshere to contribute? Maybe just maybe those players are just not good enough. Nah can't be. To me it is the draft that is the main issue. Not Devlopment.

Do not misconstrue that I think the Flyer's process is good or anything to that nature. They are incompetent. No argument here.

No. We talk about him like he is a 4th line player (he is) which the Flyers passed on in favor of worse veterans. Stuff they still do.