2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[Hollywood Cannon]

I have already resigned myself to their finishing 6th in the division, 13th in the East, and 25th in the league. Looking forward to the good, but nowhere near great, player they take at 8th overall.

Luckily the Flyers can just package some picks then and get into the top 3.

 

[deadhead]

Anaheim has been picking high for six years and are still going to miss the POs.
Carolina had 4 top ten picks and traded 3 of them.
Buffalo . . .

Picking high for multiple years is not a panacea, picking well is far more important.
Lots of misses:
2015: Zacha (6), NJ failed at development, traded him for Haula, doing fine in Boston
2016: Dubois (3), talented but uncoachable, on his 4th team, Puljujarvi (4), Juolevi (5), A Nylander (8)
2017: Patrick (2), Glass (6), L Anderson (7)
2018: Hayton (5), Zadina (6), Boqvist (8), Kravtsov (9)
2019: Kakko (2), Bryam (4), Turcotte (5), Broberg (8)

 

[Cody Webster]

Anaheim has been picking high for six years and are still going to miss the POs.
Carolina had 4 top ten picks and traded 3 of them.
Buffalo . . .

Picking high for multiple years is not a panacea, picking well is far more important.
Lots of misses:
2015: Zacha (6), NJ failed at development, traded him for Haula, doing fine in Boston
2016: Dubois (3), talented but uncoachable, on his 4th team, Puljujarvi (4), Juolevi (5), A Nylander (8)
2017: Patrick (2), Glass (6), L Anderson (7)
2018: Hayton (5), Zadina (6), Boqvist (8), Kravtsov (9)
2019: Kakko (2), Bryam (4), Turcotte (5), Broberg (8)

Good thing the Flyers do neither of these things

 

[FlyerNutter]

2010.

Couturier. Konecny. Sanheim. Michkov.

They’ve sure been picking well.

 

[BiggE]

Anaheim has been picking high for six years and are still going to miss the POs.
Carolina had 4 top ten picks and traded 3 of them.
Buffalo . . .

Picking high for multiple years is not a panacea, picking well is far more important.
Lots of misses:
2015: Zacha (6), NJ failed at development, traded him for Haula, doing fine in Boston
2016: Dubois (3), talented but uncoachable, on his 4th team, Puljujarvi (4), Juolevi (5), A Nylander (8)
2017: Patrick (2), Glass (6), L Anderson (7)
2018: Hayton (5), Zadina (6), Boqvist (8), Kravtsov (9)
2019: Kakko (2), Bryam (4), Turcotte (5), Broberg (8)

Blah
Blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah
I think everyone has had enough of your cherry picking bullshit.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Tortorella is regarded as like Saban & Belichick in the hockey world without nearly having their trophy cases. It would be hard to find others in the sports landscape that have gotten more shelf life out of one championship than John Tortorella. It’s been two f***ing decades now.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Tortorella is regarded as like Saban & Belichick in the hockey world without nearly having their trophy cases. It would be hard to find others in the sports landscape that have gotten more shelf life out of one championship than John Tortorella. It’s been two f***ing decades now.

The two line pass was illegal!

 

[BiggE]

Tortorella is regarded as like Saban & Belichick in the hockey world without nearly having their trophy cases. It would be hard to find others in the sports landscape that have gotten more shelf life out of one championship than John Tortorella. It’s been two f***ing decades now.

The only comparable might be Buddy Ryan in Philly. 0-3 in the playoffs, couldn’t build an offense, but Philly authentics loved the guy.

Then again, Philly fans routinely booed Mike Schmidt, arguably the greatest 3rd basemen of all time, so expecting intelligence out of the hardcore authentics crowd is akin to expecting a blizzard in Key West.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The only comparable might be Buddy Ryan in Philly. 0-3 in the playoffs, couldn’t build an offense, but Philly authentics loved the guy.

Then again, Philly fans routinely booed Mike Schmidt, arguably the greatest 3rd basemen of all time, so expecting intelligence out of the hardcore authentics crowd is akin to expecting a blizzard in Key West.

The thing is that the greatness of Torts isn’t contained to only Philadelphia. He has a following in the culture of hockey. After all, he makes teams play “the right way.”

Hell, just listen to Emily Kaplan try to gaslight us last night with Torts’ bs about how he tells his players it’s ok for them to make mistakes in the name of offense.

Now, of course, no other NHL team wanted to touch this guy besides the Flyers so there’s a disconnect somewhere.

 

[BiggE]

The thing is that the greatness of Torts isn’t contained to only Philadelphia. He has a following in the culture of hockey. After all, he makes teams play “the right way.”

Hell, just listen to Emily Kaplan try to gaslight us last night with Torts’ bs about how he tells his players it’s ok for them to make mistakes in the name of offense.

Now, of course, no other NHL team wanted to touch this guy besides the Flyers so there’s a disconnect somewhere.

Yeah, Torts plays his media sycophants like a fiddle. I think most hockey execs, especially the younger ones, know he’s a dinosaur POS, but the old guard and the media love him and his autocratic, outdated methods.

And if Briere isn’t just spouting the company line but rather is in agreement with the God Emperor, than he needs to f*** off too.

 

[dragonoffrost]

The media loves Torts because he gives them a circus show to talk about. Why not pump him up then when the circus start PROFIT!

 

[ponder719]

Tortorella is regarded as like Saban & Belichick in the hockey world without nearly having their trophy cases. It would be hard to find others in the sports landscape that have gotten more shelf life out of one championship than John Tortorella. It’s been two f***ing decades now.

Mike Ditka.

 

[freakydallas13]

Anaheim has been picking high for six years and are still going to miss the POs.
Carolina had 4 top ten picks and traded 3 of them.
Buffalo . . .

Picking high for multiple years is not a panacea, picking well is far more important.
Lots of misses:
2015: Zacha (6), NJ failed at development, traded him for Haula, doing fine in Boston
2016: Dubois (3), talented but uncoachable, on his 4th team, Puljujarvi (4), Juolevi (5), A Nylander (8)
2017: Patrick (2), Glass (6), L Anderson (7)
2018: Hayton (5), Zadina (6), Boqvist (8), Kravtsov (9)
2019: Kakko (2), Bryam (4), Turcotte (5), Broberg (8)

So a couple examples of a team failing at a strategy means we shouldn't do that strategy?

Bad news for people who think trying to pick high in the draft is bad, because Calgary and Minnesota have been picking in the 10-15 range for years (decades?) and they are just as mediocre as ever. Guess that means that strategy sucks!

 

[ponder719]

So a couple examples of a team failing at a strategy means we shouldn't do that strategy?

Good news, everyone! Every strategy that has ever been devised has been tried, and every strategy has failed, at least once, so the only thing we can do is nothing! We're going to try just not doing anything ever again and see how that works.

 

[deadhead]

Good news, everyone! Every strategy that has ever been devised has been tried, and every strategy has failed, at least once, so the only thing we can do is nothing! We're going to try just not doing anything ever again and see how that works.

Or the opposite, multiple strategies have succeeded, therefore, there is no 'right" strategy (there are wrong ones).

The reason most strategies fail:
1) lack of managerial talent, bad implementation
2) lack of patience, changing strategies in mid-stream
3) lack of luck, pick #2 or #3 instead of #1, injuries, etc.?

 

[Cody Webster]

Or the opposite, multiple strategies have succeeded, therefore, there is no 'right" strategy (there are wrong ones).

The reason most strategies fail:
1) lack of managerial talent, bad implementation
2) lack of patience, changing strategies in mid-stream
3) lack of luck, pick #2 or #3 instead of #1, injuries, etc.?

Good thing the Flyers have all three of these points covered

 

[deadhead]

Good thing the Flyers have all three of these points covered

Who knows?
We'll find out in three years.
(1) is the $64K question.
(2) they seem to have a coherent vision
(3) remains to be seen

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Anaheim has been picking high for six years and are still going to miss the POs.
Carolina had 4 top ten picks and traded 3 of them.
Buffalo . . .

Picking high for multiple years is not a panacea, picking well is far more important.
Lots of misses:
2015: Zacha (6), NJ failed at development, traded him for Haula, doing fine in Boston
2016: Dubois (3), talented but uncoachable, on his 4th team, Puljujarvi (4), Juolevi (5), A Nylander (8)
2017: Patrick (2), Glass (6), L Anderson (7)
2018: Hayton (5), Zadina (6), Boqvist (8), Kravtsov (9)
2019: Kakko (2), Bryam (4), Turcotte (5), Broberg (8)

We don’t pick well either

 

[Beef Invictus]

Anaheim has been picking high for six years and are still going to miss the POs.
Carolina had 4 top ten picks and traded 3 of them.
Buffalo . . .

Picking high for multiple years is not a panacea, picking well is far more important.
Lots of misses:
2015: Zacha (6), NJ failed at development, traded him for Haula, doing fine in Boston
2016: Dubois (3), talented but uncoachable, on his 4th team, Puljujarvi (4), Juolevi (5), A Nylander (8)
2017: Patrick (2), Glass (6), L Anderson (7)
2018: Hayton (5), Zadina (6), Boqvist (8), Kravtsov (9)
2019: Kakko (2), Bryam (4), Turcotte (5), Broberg (8)

Yeah, this is also why I've been calling for them to completely fire all management so they can have competent people. Picking high doesn't help if you're run by Stupids, and the Flyers could be the stupidest management group in the league.

Ideally they'd have spent the last two years picking high and very often, as well as smartly for the first time in an eternity.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I’m just happy we are expecting better results with largely the same scouting, and front office staff.

It will be different.

How not sure. But it will be. This level of delusion could be good for the View.

 

[WIP CALLER]

Who knows?
We'll find out in three years.
(1) is the $64K question.
(2) they seem to have a coherent vision
(3) remains to be seen

You thought Chuck had a coherent vision too. 3 years away from being 3 years away, same as it ever was.

 

[deadhead]

You thought Chuck had a coherent vision too. 3 years away from being 3 years away, same as it ever was.

He had a coherent vision in 2019 (dropped some acid in 2022).

He was going to make the moves to get them to the playoffs, which is what he was hired to do.
Need a center, check.
Need quality veteran defensemen, check.

It worked. Wasn't a long-term plan, but he wasn't hired to rebuild or retool but to win now while the window was open for Giroux, Voracek, etc. If Patrick and Lindblom were healthy, might have stayed competitive for another year or two.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He had a coherent vision in 2019 (dropped some acid in 2022).

He was going to make the moves to get them to the playoffs, which is what he was hired to do.
Need a center, check.
Need quality veteran defensemen, check.

It worked. Wasn't a long-term plan, but he wasn't hired to rebuild or retool but to win now while the window was open for Giroux, Voracek, etc. If Patrick and Lindblom were healthy, might have stayed competitive for another year or two.

If he was hired to contend rather than rebuild than he failed very badly

 

[deadhead]

They had their best season since 2011-12.
So mission accomplished.
With better luck, they might have repeated that performance for a season or two.
But it wasn't sustainable.

 

[freakydallas13]

They had their best season since 2011-12.
So mission accomplished.
With better luck, they might have repeated that performance for a season or two.
But it wasn't sustainable.

They also had their worst season since 06/07.

So mission very much not accomplished.