2024-25 Roster…too soon?

[statswatcher]

Mrazek was just activated and Commesso was sent back to Rockford. I was hoping Jones and/or Martinez would be ready for tonight as I'm so sick of Brodie.

brodie probably stays in the lineup when jones come back. if he does i think it's pretty easy to conclude that tinordi staying in the lineup last year was a kd decision more than a lurich decision.

 

[MHO]

brodie probably stays in the lineup when jones come back. if he does i think it's pretty easy to conclude that tinordi staying in the lineup last year was a kd decision more than a lurich decision.

I don't know man. Last year, they were so desperate for bodies that I didn't really care about Tinordi. Yeah he was bad but I don't remember them having anyone else that I was screaming to play instead of him.

With the way the lineup is now, I get that you need some experience and that if Brodie doesn't play, every defenseman other than Connor Murphy is 23 or under. But when Jones/Martinez come back, I can't justify giving minutes to Brodie over Kaiser, Allan, Korchinski, or even Crevier. I get Brodie is not going anywhere with that contract but let him hang in the press box and give him a game when the Hawks have back to backs.

 

[statswatcher]

I don't know man. Last year, they were so desperate for bodies that I didn't really care about Tinordi. Yeah he was bad but I don't remember them having anyone else that I was screaming to play instead of him.

With the way the lineup is now, I get that you need some experience and that if Brodie doesn't play, every defenseman other than Connor Murphy is 23 or under. But when Jones/Martinez come back, I can't justify giving minutes to Brodie over Kaiser, Allan, Korchinski, or even Crevier. I get Brodie is not going anywhere with that contract but let him hang in the press box and give him a game when the Hawks have back to backs.

i agree with most of what you are saying, i simply don't think kd sees it that way. if i had to bet i'd say he's aiming to send one of the young d down. hopefully i'm wrong, but it's not a massive worry in my mind either way.

 

[BLKHKhockey]

Don’t want Marner at all

 

[BobbyJet]

Don’t want Marner at all

It ain't gonna happen so you can rest easy.

 

[giza]

Tinordi was bad but he played the pugilist role so that made him more vital than Brodie. Sit the players that aren't performing---it's that easy.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Brodie at his worst is still better hockey player than Tinordi at his best

Tinordi would look bad on bottom pairing in AHL

 

[Kevin Musto]

 

[TLEH]

If he’s not going to play he needs to go down.

 

[WarriorofTime]

not a surprise

 

[MHO]

Does that mean Jones and Martinez are ready to return?

 

[BHawk21]

Don’t want Marner at all

God I want Marner on this team.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Looked like his NHL career was over when they signed Brossoit.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Does that mean Jones and Martinez are ready to return?

I’d say Martinez for sure

Good addition for the hogs

 

[Kevin Musto]

 

[hawksfan50]

The main question December 20 th 2024cas I post this today is concern about the immanent return of $9.5..

SURE Kaiser willbevsentvdown
.bit realky where doest Seth fit ...the plkis running so well we do not need or him on that to mess it up..

He wasn't a great Pp qb either...like Vladic at the pointvand firing shots at the net rather than Seth having is blocked or missing the net by a lot


Sure...if Ander s performs a miracle such that Sethvsjowsvheviscan elite difference-maker to the Pp or at 5x6 by creating offense we shall reverse opinion on Jones...BUT we have seen nothing from him to suggest he isca $9.5 m player value let alone capable of starring consistently..

We reakkt do not need him but we cannot trade that cobtract with 5 more seasobsvleft after this season at that outrageous cost to an acquiring team on their cap..


so what to do?

I have suggested I the past Seth be moved up to forward...He is athletic
..He can rish the puck..but with that spied and size he should bea chaos creator to open up better open lanes forvteamatesctobshhot...hisvoasdibgbis jit goid ..not tape to tape so Sorenson hasxa lotvofcworl to do on hom to correct that.. but given the rushing size and speed straight linebpower combination,I think he can help as a forward..

he will notvscorevoff hisclousyvinaccurayecshootong..but he can hit on the forecheck ..he can lug pucksvout and he I think is a much better winger option than Joey Anderson

Would like to see Sethvas RW for Reichel...both have speed...Seth supplies the power and shoukdccratecspace for Reicjel to get more room to move freely out there.

ANYWAY that is where I would use him him...or maybe Nazar's RW..

Freeing Aethvup to not have to do d-zobe dman reads..to mess up gaps..to turn over pucks while tired from chasing deep in d-zonebon cycles,it meansxall ge need to iscto get the puck and rishvdown thevicecwith speed and power.. then if puck goes loosevinno-zobecafter heccarriescitbin,go straight on troops dman and hit the guy with speed straight on...We need Seth to becavpiwrr forward notcan "ariste" puck handler which he is not.

But on the current roster he might be a terrific power forwardccreatibgcsoacecforvotherscby getyibgboucksvinto o-zobevthen pounding opps dmen woth size speed combo..

I do not expect hom to finish much..but he coukd beca difference -maker ifvhevusesvhis speed piwrrcand size to goodceffect ..creating chaos shoukd becavoroblem for thevopos of he does that roke as a winger rather than the misses and messes he causes as a dman who really has no instinct for the d-pisition..An athlete te on d with processing problems is not a dman solution..

Just remove the complexity for him...give him just 2 main roles...rish that puck in then go poundcthecooo D with thatcsize/soeed starightvon combo.. Do those 2vthibgs well and he still is not worth $9.5 BUT my hunch is he can be a ganechanger by creating chaos.

Simplify things for hom...remove the difficulties of being a good NHL dman ...too complex for his brain..butvhis brawn if motivated cold be like a Byfugluen pounding and scaring theb oppsc d who are trying ng to handle pucksvin the corners and behind their bown net on retrievalvattemots.

The gamevisctoo fast for Seth to process all the movements trying to defends hiscd-zobe...remove that burden and give him 2 simple jobs on attack ..not talking fancy pkaymaking...use hiscsize soeed with physcal l hitting to create space for other Hawksvforwards d to fire pucks at net..

As a d..Seth gets tired when out too long..and loses energy to be that physical force...shorter shiftsxas a firwardvcoukd make him Uber physical with speed andvthatviscscary to face as an opponent.

Not asking Seth to fight or be dirty physical...just use hisvsizecand athleticism to effect.

Thatvisxalk gevhascyobdo...be that big power physical train coning at you to check you off pucks and to drive the net without the puck creating chaos..With a simpler role.. maybe Seth actually bosdons and helps the team to a greater degree that ever was imagined...certainly better than Joey Anderson..
I do not think we have much to lose trying him as a winger..

We have lots to lose putyibgbhom back as acdman.

 

[Mrfenn92]

The main question December 20 th 2024cas I post this today is concern about the immanent return of $9.5..

SURE Kaiser willbevsentvdown
.bit realky where doest Seth fit ...the plkis running so well we do not need or him on that to mess it up..

He wasn't a great Pp qb either...like Vladic at the pointvand firing shots at the net rather than Seth having is blocked or missing the net by a lot


Sure...if Ander s performs a miracle such that Sethvsjowsvheviscan elite difference-maker to the Pp or at 5x6 by creating offense we shall reverse opinion on Jones...BUT we have seen nothing from him to suggest he isca $9.5 m player value let alone capable of starring consistently..

We reakkt do not need him but we cannot trade that cobtract with 5 more seasobsvleft after this season at that outrageous cost to an acquiring team on their cap..


so what to do?

I have suggested I the past Seth be moved up to forward...He is athletic
..He can rish the puck..but with that spied and size he should bea chaos creator to open up better open lanes forvteamatesctobshhot...hisvoasdibgbis jit goid ..not tape to tape so Sorenson hasxa lotvofcworl to do on hom to correct that.. but given the rushing size and speed straight linebpower combination,I think he can help as a forward..

he will notvscorevoff hisclousyvinaccurayecshootong..but he can hit on the forecheck ..he can lug pucksvout and he I think is a much better winger option than Joey Anderson

Would like to see Sethvas RW for Reichel...both have speed...Seth supplies the power and shoukdccratecspace for Reicjel to get more room to move freely out there.

ANYWAY that is where I would use him him...or maybe Nazar's RW..

Freeing Aethvup to not have to do d-zobe dman reads..to mess up gaps..to turn over pucks while tired from chasing deep in d-zonebon cycles,it meansxall ge need to iscto get the puck and rishvdown thevicecwith speed and power.. then if puck goes loosevinno-zobecafter heccarriescitbin,go straight on troops dman and hit the guy with speed straight on...We need Seth to becavpiwrr forward notcan "ariste" puck handler which he is not.

But on the current roster he might be a terrific power forwardccreatibgcsoacecforvotherscby getyibgboucksvinto o-zobevthen pounding opps dmen woth size speed combo..

I do not expect hom to finish much..but he coukd beca difference -maker ifvhevusesvhis speed piwrrcand size to goodceffect ..creating chaos shoukd becavoroblem for thevopos of he does that roke as a winger rather than the misses and messes he causes as a dman who really has no instinct for the d-pisition..An athlete te on d with processing problems is not a dman solution..

Just remove the complexity for him...give him just 2 main roles...rish that puck in then go poundcthecooo D with thatcsize/soeed starightvon combo.. Do those 2vthibgs well and he still is not worth $9.5 BUT my hunch is he can be a ganechanger by creating chaos.

Simplify things for hom...remove the difficulties of being a good NHL dman ...too complex for his brain..butvhis brawn if motivated cold be like a Byfugluen pounding and scaring theb oppsc d who are trying ng to handle pucksvin the corners and behind their bown net on retrievalvattemots.

The gamevisctoo fast for Seth to process all the movements trying to defends hiscd-zobe...remove that burden and give him 2 simple jobs on attack ..not talking fancy pkaymaking...use hiscsize soeed with physcal l hitting to create space for other Hawksvforwards d to fire pucks at net..

As a d..Seth gets tired when out too long..and loses energy to be that physical force...shorter shiftsxas a firwardvcoukd make him Uber physical with speed andvthatviscscary to face as an opponent.

Not asking Seth to fight or be dirty physical...just use hisvsizecand athleticism to effect.

Thatvisxalk gevhascyobdo...be that big power physical train coning at you to check you off pucks and to drive the net without the puck creating chaos..With a simpler role.. maybe Seth actually bosdons and helps the team to a greater degree that ever was imagined...certainly better than Joey Anderson..
I do not think we have much to lose trying him as a winger..

We have lots to lose putyibgbhom back as acdman.

Where is your translator

 

[ColbyChaos]

@fiddytranslator we need your services again

 

[Behn Wilson]

I’d say Martinez for sure


Good addition for the hogs

I think its so he can get ice time for the holiday break, they are going to likely just go w 6 dmen on the roster for one game. IF noone ready he will likely get recalled after the break

 

[Mrfenn92]

I think its so he can get ice time for the holiday break, they are going to likely just go w 6 dmen on the roster for one game. IF noone ready he will likely get recalled after the break

Think jones and Martinez are basically good to go

 

[Behn Wilson]

Think jones and Martinez are basically good to go

Id rather see Allen and Korchinski keep playing, hope Brodie sits but not likely

 

[Mrfenn92]

Id rather see Allen and Korchinski keep playing, hope Brodie sits but not likely

Agreed

 

[Muffinalt]

Id rather see Allen and Korchinski keep playing, hope Brodie sits but not likely

I think it's likely no?

Vlasic - Jones
Allan - Murphy
Korchinski - Martinez

This is actually turning respectable lol.

Well I'm not excited for Jones being back. I enjoyed the team without his low IQ and low effort moments. I think he will look much better in Sorensen's system, but he's gonna create plenty of chaos infront of our goal too. Ugh, PP and offensive rush stupid decisions will be back as well.

 

[Giovi]

Does that mean Jones and Martinez are ready to return?

 

[WarriorofTime]

I asked chatGPT to translate 50's post. Basically he wants to make Seth Jones a 4th line Winger.

As of December 20, 2024, the main question being discussed is the imminent return of Seth Jones and his $9.5 million cap hit.

While it’s certain Jones will be sent back down into the lineup, the bigger issue is how he fits into the current team. The power play (PP) is running smoothly, and we don’t need him to disrupt it. He wasn’t particularly effective in that role before—he’s more like a player who takes shots that miss the mark or get blocked, rather than someone who creates high-quality opportunities.

Unless Anders Sorensen (coach) can pull off a miracle and turn Jones into an elite playmaker or difference-maker on the PP or at 5-on-5, we have no reason to reverse our current skepticism about his value. At this point, he hasn’t shown anything that justifies a $9.5 million contract, let alone the potential to consistently star at this level.

The problem is we’re stuck with his contract, which has five more years left after this season. It’s an outrageous cost, and there’s little chance of trading it without significant concessions. So, what do we do?

I’ve suggested in the past that Seth Jones might be better suited as a forward. He’s athletic and can rush the puck, and with his size and speed, he could be a physical, chaotic presence who creates space for teammates. His passing isn’t great, and his shooting is inaccurate, but his straight-line speed and power could make him effective as a winger.

He won’t score much, but he could forecheck effectively, carry the puck out of the defensive zone, and create openings for other players. I think he’d be a better winger option than Joey Anderson.

I’d like to see Jones as a right-winger for Lukas Reichel. Both players have speed, and Jones’ power could create space for Reichel to maneuver. Alternatively, he could pair with Frank Nazar as a winger. Freeing him from defensive responsibilities—like gap control, cycle coverage, and zone reads—could make him more effective. Instead, he’d focus on rushing the puck up the ice and hitting opponents with speed and size.

In this simplified role, Jones could become a chaos creator. He wouldn’t need to process the game as deeply as a defenseman, which seems to be a struggle for him. Instead, he could use his physical tools to disrupt opposing defenses. While he wouldn’t be worth $9.5 million even in this role, he might actually contribute meaningfully to the team.

Imagine him as a power forward—a big, fast, physical presence who drives the net and forces turnovers in the offensive zone. He wouldn’t be expected to make fancy plays, just create space and opportunities for other forwards by being a physical train barreling into opponents.

This approach might unlock a new side of his game and help the team in ways we haven’t seen before. At this point, we don’t have much to lose by trying him as a winger. There’s far more to lose if we keep forcing him into a defensive role where he struggles and becomes a liability.