Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Jays ranking in offense last season vs the league

Batting average #19
Runs scored #23
Homeruns #26
On-Base Percentage #13
Slugging Percentage #20
Stolen Bases #27

2024 MLB Offense Rankings: Team Hitting and Batting Stats | FOX Sports

 

[Puckstuff]

I gotta think they're moving Bo for a haul and installing Jimenez at short. He's not as elite defensively there but still above average. I think he's at least a 2-WAR shortstop without the bat, and if he somehow remembers how to hit you got a 3.5 to 4 WAR shortstop.

Or you could keep Bo as a rental at shortstop this season, then slide Gimenez into that role next year and let Bo walk. I can kind of justify paying Gimenez $10.5 million to be a solid defensive second baseman in 2025, especially knowing that when his salary climbs in 2026 and 2027, he’ll be paid like a shortstop, not a second baseman. Still don’t love the deal, but I guess it makes a bit more sense if they see him as the long-term shortstop.

 

[Anthrax442]

I liked Horwitz. Hopefully we wont regret this

 

[Dr.Funk]

If they were willing to sign soto at 46m a year that means we do have a bigger budget as long as it makes the jays competitive every year I am sure Rogers will give them the budget they need.

Soto was a complete separate budget than the normal operating budget.

 

[dredeye]

We must be about to sign a DH only type of player then (Teo or Santander)

Alonso? Doubles as insurance for Vlad

 

[Tw1ster]

Id be pretty happy with signing Burnes, and two of Santander, Teo, and Alonso. Not sure that’s feasible but it would inject some definite pop into our lineup

 

[tmlfan98]

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

So Springer and Bassitt for Horwitz and Skenes

 

[Puckstuff]

To be fair, we don't actually have the slightest clue how much they have available to spend. Reports have regularly been way off over the years when reporters try to figure it out.

I'm not too optimistic they will go above the first CBT threshold, but it would be a pleasant surprise if they did.

 

[saska sault]

And there are people in here furiously defending this trade lol

This is the same site that says Soto was an overpay for the Yankees? And Teo was an overpay by Seattle? I mean.... sure.

Berrios was an overpay by Toronto. Look through their page, it's very hit and miss.

Also states Chris Sale was a massive overpay by Atlanta.

I would say it's not very reliable for predicting the future outcome of trades.

 

[Ale Brew]

I'm not too optimistic they will go above the first CBT threshold, but it would be a pleasant surprise if they did.

Well if they’re truly in on Burnes and at least one of the big bats they have to be moving Bassett to make it work then.

I haven’t got the impression they don’t want to subtract from the SP group though, so maybe we go into the season above the tax and sell off expirings again to get under if they aren’t competitive.

 

[habamillions]

Luis ortiz amd 2 prospects is a great trade for cleveland

 

[Kurtz]

This is the same site that says Soto was an overpay for the Yankees? And Teo was an overpay by Seattle? I mean.... sure.

Berrios was an overpay by Toronto. Look through their page, it's very hit and miss.

Also states Chris Sale was a massive overpay by Atlanta.

I would say it's not very reliable for predicting the future outcome of trades.

1 year of Soto vs multiple cost-controlled years of King+ the prospects they got you can definitely make an argument that the Padres got more value. Teo one is odd. Berrios makes sense since we gave up the guy we took 5th overall like 6 months earlier - their formula must have used the value of a 5th overall pick with max control years, which should be pretty high. Sale was a health gamble.

Basically, don't look at their model as a prediction on how the trade will pan out - look at it as them evaluating the current value of assets exhanged and which party came out ahead based on that current value.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[PanniniClaus]

Horwitz on way to Pirates which is a very Pirate like move and in this case, a good one.

 

[Puckstuff]

Id be pretty happy with signing Burnes, and two of Santander, Teo, and Alonso.

I think we would all be happy with that

This is scary if this is the case.

 

[tmlfan98]

 

[saska sault]

1 year of Soto vs multiple cost-controlled years of King+ the prospects they got you can definitely make an argument that the Padres got more value. Teo one is odd. Berrios makes sense since we gave up the guy we took 5th overall like 6 months earlier - their formula must have used the value of a 5th overall pick with max control years, which should be pretty high. Sale was a health gamble.

Basically, don't look at their model as a prediction on how the trade will pan out - look at it as them evaluating the current value of assets exhanged and which party came out ahead based on that current value.

Exactly my thoughts. It's a gamble regardless... I have more faith Gimenez continues to be a gold glover than Horwtiz turns into a silver slugger. The rest of the roster not considering, I think they got value not considering salary commitments.

 

[Canada4Gold]

That seems like a reasonable deal for Cleveland. Decent backend starter/swingman with not great K rates and 2 solid prospects. Not really what we needed, but more in line with Horwitz than salary dump gold glover and meh pen arm

Sad, I wanted them to take a shot on Soroka or Doval

 

[Puckstuff]

That seems like a reasonable deal for Cleveland. Decent backend starter/swingman with not great K rates and 2 solid prospects. Not really what we needed, but more in line with Horwitz than salary dump gold glover and meh pen arm

The Jays needed a cheap starter more than they needed a defensive specialist at 2B though.

 

[Dr.Funk]

I think we would all be happy with that

This is scary if this is the case.

 

[tmlfan98]

If BNS and Shi are right about their latest sentiments, this offseason is going to end up being another nightmare like last year.

 

[canucksfan]

If you make the Gimenez trade and do not add two big bats it makes no sense.

 

[Eyedea]

If BNS and Shi are right about their latest sentiments, this offseason is going to end up being another nightmare like last year.

These guys can't even get first break on a Jays trade/signing. They get fed absolutely nothing from the org.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]