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Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

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Maybe the plan is to move Bo to 3rd, Gimenez SS and we have a couple of fine internal options for 2B.
 
Kurtz said:
Maybe the plan is to move Bo to 3rd, Gimenez SS and we have a couple of fine internal options for 2B.
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I'd say Bo would go into Operation Shutdown with that plan. He's going to want to enter Free agency on a high and as a shortstop. We need to hope he's at least motivated enough to give us one good final season.

I don't think the idea is a bad one.. I don't think Bo will go along.
 
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canucksfan said:
in isolation the trade is fine. However the team needs offense and they got worse offensively
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And it’s spending a huge percentage of their available $$$ on that offensive downgrade while moving out their dirt cheap 2nd best hitter from last year.

I really liked Horwitz and cheering for him was one of the things that kept me engaged in the shitty disaster of a season last year, so from a pure fan perspective I’m also disappointed.

Suspect this deal was made to replace Bichette at SS, whether that’s in 2026 or at the 2025 deadline or now.
 
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canucksfan said:
If you make the Gimenez trade and do not add two big bats it makes no sense.
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I think the Jays will go after a DH with upside. It probably won't be someone expensive like Joc or Walker, but someone like Jesse Winker or Paul Goldschmidt could make sense if they come in at a good price. They'll probably need to dig in again to find value if we're following last years script.
 
PanniniClaus said:
I watched Burnes very closely this past year. He strikeout rate plummeted and he was an extremely mediocre pitcher for the bulk of the summer. Had a good start and had a decent finish to September.

I said in August that I would not want to be the team that overpays him. Here we are.

I'll add that a plummeting K rate will require good D so perhaps there is a connection.

I agree with others that Bo walks as well.
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If he signs here, there are two paths for Burnes to become an elite pitcher again:

Pete Walker and the staff work their magic and have Burnes' cutter return to the elite pitch it was a few years ago

And/or

Burnes continues to develop the Sweeper he introduced late in the season last year, which saw some success. This is likely the safer bet
 
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No issue with the Giménez trade - not the biggest need but Horwitz isn't a big loss for an elite 2B defender with potential for some offence too

Hope we now sign some FA with hitting power and also Burnes
 
Blitzkrug said:
From a personal/financial standpoint? He'd be a fool not to. Just his age alone is going to net him him an extra 150-200 million dollars.

I don't think he'll get Soto money but i could easy see 400 to 500, especially if he's truly back after a bounceback 2024.
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All but sure Vlad test free agent market after Soto and Ohtani contracts. He'd be crazy if he didn't. Unless Blue Jays way overpay
 
BehindTheTimes said:
I don’t think there is a realistic way this club can be competitive. I think they need to move Bo/Vlad. After seeing Soto sign that deal I imagine Vlad wants a piece of that pie too.

These idiots squandered a very good core. It’s time to blow it up.
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I agree. These guys are in protect job mode. The desperation is real and bad trades and signings are probably about to occur.

I remember the Tatis deal and thought wow that’s crazy but now it’s an absolute steal for the Padres. Now Vladdy is going to get 100-200 million on top of that deal.
 
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BehindTheTimes said:
I don’t think there is a realistic way this club can be competitive. I think they need to move Bo/Vlad. After seeing Soto sign that deal I imagine Vlad wants a piece of that pie too.

These idiots squandered a very good core. It’s time to blow it up.
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There is a path, BUT...it involves things that this management doesn't believe in.

Bo should still have crazy trade value (being a young, very good SS) and could theoretically get you something like:
Miller or Knack, Pages plus another piece or two.
 
BehindTheTimes said:
I don’t think there is a realistic way this club can be competitive. I think they need to move Bo/Vlad. After seeing Soto sign that deal I imagine Vlad wants a piece of that pie too.

These idiots squandered a very good core. It’s time to blow it up.
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Yep. What ever happened to all those blue chip minor leaguers they were bragging about several years ago?

Dough72 said:
WAR seems like a stat fans in the future will laugh at
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Once they expose EVERY REPLACEMENT it’ll be even more meaningless.
 
jetsforever said:
No issue with the Giménez trade - not the biggest need but Horwitz isn't a big loss for an elite 2B defender with potential for some offence too

Hope we now sign some FA with hitting power and also Burnes
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Burnes, Gimenez, hitting power (eg Teo), and a half-decent bullpen would put us in a pretty decent spot I think.

Though ultimately, we cant let Vlad or Bo wall for nothing. So Rogers either needs to pony up big time, pay Vlad/Bo and then also pay big $$ to surround them with a good supporting cast, or you may as well sell Vlad, Bo, Gauzman, Bassit, etc and go through a multi-year rebuild.

Clinging to being a semi-competitive team until guys age out and/or walk in free agency is a good way to end up in a decade long rebuild. So pony up, or rebuild. Don't just kinda tinker and hope for the best.
 
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613Leafer said:
Burnes, Gimenez, hitting power (eg Teo), and a half-decent bullpen would put us in a pretty decent spot I think.

Though ultimately, we cant let Vlad or Bo wall for nothing. So Rogers either needs to pony up big time, pay Vlad/Bo and then also pay big $$ to surround them with a good supporting cast, or you may as well sell Vlad, Bo, Gauzman, Bassit, etc and go through a multi-year rebuild.

Clinging to being a semi-competitive team until guys age out and/or walk in free agency is a good way to end up in a decade long rebuild. So pony up, or rebuild. Don't just kinda tinker and hope for the best.
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Why would Teo come here if Vladdy and Bo are going ? They said we have like 25 million to spend so unless we are trading some large salary it’s not possible.
 
Gimenez would have been 2nd on the team in RBIs and 1st in stolen bases last year. He is actually an upgrade over what we had folks, the rest of the team is the problem...not acquiring a platinum glove middle infielder who doesn't hit for power.

Management still stinks but IMO this improves the team. When was the last time anyone this talented was in the infield? Tulo was pretty cooked by the time he got here, Chapman is a different position but below Gimenez likely.
 
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Tony Romo said:
Are we sure Shi and BNS actually have sources in the FO? Not saying this because they aren’t reporting what I want to hear. But it seems like they are always last
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Yeah, I don't really get it. They never break anything and there's no evidence they're doing anything other than speculating. Why are some people (many of the ones who see them as nothing but shills) suddenly seeing them as real sources of information on the inner workings of the team?
 
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