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Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

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Zero1 said:
I agree that the offense is the #1 priority if they want to compete next year however I think getting an Ace actually helps with that.

If the Jays sign Fried or Burns then it pushes Rodriguez to the bullpen and allows the Jays to trade their pitching prospects (i.e. Tiedemann/Yesavage/Manoah/Bloss) for a legit bat.

Now that Adames and Soto are off the board, I’m not crazy about any of the other free agents.
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Probbaly won't be able to swing a trade with a couple of those guys because of Tommy John surgery.

Tiedemann is still highly touted but i can't imagine any team wanting to give up value for what is, at least for the moment, damaged goods.
 
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No thanks to Santander, rather blow it up than give him 22 million for 6 years because everyone is getting a few million and a couple more years than they should.

Fried and Teo would be fun, but FA routes that I want the team to take are few and far between.

Can we at least get the 1st overall pick? I wanna have at least a little happiness this offseason
 
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Canada4Gold said:
No thanks to Santander, rather blow it up than give him 22 million for 6 years because everyone is getting a few million and a couple more years than they should.

Fried and Teo would be fun, but FA routes that I want the team to take are few and far between.

Can we at least get the 1st overall pick? I wanna have at least a little happiness this offseason
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Betcha the rays or redsox win with their 1%
 
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Blitzkrug said:
Probbaly won't be able to swing a trade with a couple of those guys because of Tommy John surgery.

Tiedemann is still highly touted but i can't imagine any team wanting to give up value for what is, at least for the moment, damaged goods.
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TJ is pretty common and there’s not too much worry about a player returning to form from it.

Gotta hope teams can look past it.
 
Blitzkrug said:
It's not a short term fix if the guy objectively sucked ass though. This is the exact stuff the Jays tried to do to fix their offense already, and it failed spectacularly.
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He had a bad year after being a stud for most of the last 15 years. You make it sound like he turned into Buck Martinez at the dish.

I never said he was the answer. They need some thunder in the lineup. But nobody you want long term will sign until the pin heads sign Vlad. No idea why people have so much trouble wrapping their heads around this.

Hazel and her inbred husband will sort it out.
 
He was never going to come here anyway. The odds of signing him were very slim.
 
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I’m starting to think management has made a catastrophic failure not locking in Vlad and Teo in 2022. I guess hindsight is 20/20, but getting Vlad and a Teo-level bat locked in over the next 5 years for lower than what we’ll have to pay now is going to prove impossible. Heck, if Vlad has a Soto-type season, don’t rule out a $500 million contract for Vlad next offseason from some desperate team like the Yankees or Red Sox.
 
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Would have been awesome to see the Jays have pulled this off, as unlikely as it was. But like Ohtani, I'm not going to shit on management for this too much for not getting it done. The odds were slim, and as much as I say you try and sign a superstar at all costs, even this I find insane. They tried and made a seriously hefty offer (by all accounts), so you can't say more beyond that.

Yes, Soto is a 26-year old superstar with many years ahead. But at least there was a business case with Ohtani to offer that much -- getting a whole country's fans and the TV rights from there. The tickets sold by a whole entire fanbase gained. The money would have been made back in spades. Not sure the same will hold true with Soto.

That being said, what I will shit on management for, again, is leaving Vladdy unsigned...still. All this time. Years now. If anything, what this Soto pursuit did was escalate how much they'll have to give Vladdy now. Talk was 10 years, $300 million. He can now ask for a couple more years and at least $100 million more than that. Some team will offer that to him next year in free agency. He's not on Soto level, but he is also half a year younger and ready to hit his prime years. He's worth at least half of Soto.

Sometimes you have to feed your own before feeding others. Management may have just screwed themselves here. And needless to say, they have had a piss-poor track record these past few years.
 
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Puckstuff said:
So what is Santander going to get?

Btw hate to say it but the price for Vlad just went up. He’s going to ask for at least 400 m now next free agency and someone will give him that if he makes it to free agency and he has an ops above .900 again. Inflation is real.
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Yeah.... no... he is 25: The number will be a hell of a lot closer to Soto's.
 
HairyKneel said:
He had a bad year after being a stud for most of the last 15 years. You make it sound like he turned into Buck Martinez at the dish.

I never said he was the answer. They need some thunder in the lineup. But nobody you want long term will sign until the pin heads sign Vlad. No idea why people have so much trouble wrapping their heads around this.

Hazel and her inbred husband will sort it out.
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I totally forgot Hazel Mae is married to Kevin Barker, that guy is always mad.
 
Re-sign Vlad and sell baby sell. He's only 25 and we can be competitive again in 2-3 years when he's still in his prime.

By then Manoah and Tiedemann will be back. Orelvis will have 2 years of service, Nimmala will be on the cusp. Our pick from this year will be ready if he doesn't bust. And hopefully one of Wagner, Barger, Loperfido, or Clase breaks out.
 
EpochLink said:
I totally forgot Hazel Mae is married to Kevin Barker, that guy is always mad.
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He's a creep. Like Warren Sawkiw. One was a scab, the other guy had 60 AB's. Both experts on the game. The pinheads that analyze the game these days act like everyone is watching their first game. f***ing Tim McCarver or Tony Kubek look good at this point.

And when is someone going to put Buck the Duck out to pasture? How does Dan Shulman work with a 200 pound millstone around his neck?

He's like Brian Williams, Bob Cole and Tony Parsons. Beat it already.
 
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15 yrs 765 for Soto to the Mets is the rumour. My word that’s insane. No issue with us not being the team to do it
 
So what's next?

Finished last in the division.
Glad, Bo, Bassist, etc free agents after next season.
Gauzman, Varsho, and Kirk free agents a year later. That's our entire core except Berrios.

Is there help coming internally? Not really, we have a below average farm system. Gauzman and Bassit.

Seems we either need to commit to a multi-year retool, or ownership needs to pony up and be willing to buy our way out of this and convince Vlad/Bo to stay (ie not just pay those two, but pay other solid free agents to come in).

If Vlad/Bo wall for nothing, we're probably looking at a ~5-10 year rebuild. Even if we re-sign them, hard to foresee this team growing into a contender without payroll going up.
 
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TheMadHatTrick said:
Re-sign Vlad and sell baby sell. He's only 25 and we can be competitive again in 2-3 years when he's still in his prime.

By then Manoah and Tiedemann will be back. Orelvis will have 2 years of service, Nimmala will be on the cusp. Our pick from this year will be ready if he doesn't bust. And hopefully one of Wagner, Barger, Loperfido, or Clase breaks out.
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Problem is Vlad I don't think would want to sign here if we're selling/rebuilding.

Though I agree, on paper probably the best path forward is to re-sign our core young guys in Vlad/Bo and then enter a retool by selling off some of our older guys, and then also spending some of that freed up $$ on some other solid players.

I just don't realistically see it as an option.
 
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Puckstuff said:
I’m starting to think management has made a catastrophic failure not locking in Vlad and Teo in 2022. I guess hindsight is 20/20, but getting Vlad and a Teo-level bat locked in over the next 5 years for lower than what we’ll have to pay now is going to prove impossible. Heck, if Vlad has a Soto-type season, don’t rule out a $500 million contract for Vlad next offseason from some desperate team like the Yankees or Red Sox.
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The Soto signing has me wondering what a realistic deal for Vladdy would be right now. If you look at his second half and he comes anywhere close to those numbers why would $500M be unrealistic. So if you are Vladdy what would you take from the Jays right now to sign long term? What would the Jays be willing to do?
 
HairyKneel said:
He had a bad year after being a stud for most of the last 15 years. You make it sound like he turned into Buck Martinez at the dish.

I never said he was the answer. They need some thunder in the lineup. But nobody you want long term will sign until the pin heads sign Vlad. No idea why people have so much trouble wrapping their heads around this.

Hazel and her inbred husband will sort it out.
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They sell enough tickets so they don’t really need a big name and they can’t fix everything through FA.
At this stage the best play is to make a trade, sign an arm, maybe an OF, and market the hell out of it to the fans, and then sell off remaining assets throughout the season
 
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