2024-25 Kraken Roster discussion

[Dead Coyote]

I want him either on Wright or McCann's wings, probably our best shooters and he's a good playmaker and net front presence.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I want him either on Wright or McCann's wings, probably our best shooters and he's a good playmaker and net front presence.

McCann plays on the wing with Beniers and that is the line I feel may be the best fit for Kakko. I think both the Wright and Beniers lines could work out.

 

[Dead Coyote]

McCann plays on the wing with Beniers and that is the line I feel may be the best fit for Kakko. I think both the Wright and Beniers lines could work out.

Agree- I didn't mean that McCann should center, just that I want him on the same line as McCann. I agree that the Beniers or Wright lines currently would be better.

 

[gstommylee]

seattle will have an interesting problem once ebs gets back on and i am assumed its after the deadline so we would at least be making one or two trades (tanev and/or gourde) so having the cap space wont be an issue hopefully, however, who exactly is the player that gets pushed to the 4th line.

 

[The Marquis]

seattle will have an interesting problem once ebs gets back on and i am assumed its after the deadline so we would at least be making one or two trades (tanev and/or gourde) so having the cap space wont be an issue hopefully, however, who exactly is the player that gets pushed to the 4th line.

Burakovsky. He sure isn’t earning playing time.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Burakovsky. He sure isn’t earning playing time.

I think he will be completely ineffective on that fourth line though. I see Kartye-Gourde-Tanev being a much more effective 4th line. I know Kartye has not been putting up points but he is part of the cycle that works so well on that 4th line.

If it were me, I would basically be healthy scratching Burakovsky.

McCann-Beniers-Eberle
Schwartz-Stephenson-Bjorkstrand
Tolvy-Wright-Kakko
Kartye-Gourde-Tanev

 

[The Marquis]

I think he will be completely ineffective on that fourth line though. I see Kartye-Gourde-Tanev being a much more effective 4th line. I know Kartye has not been putting up points but he is part of the cycle that works so well on that 4th line.

If it were me, I would basically be healthy scratching Burakovsky.

McCann-Beniers-Eberle
Schwartz-Stephenson-Bjorkstrand
Tolvy-Wright-Kakko
Kartye-Gourde-Tanev

Oh, sorry, I meant to scratch him as well.

 

[majormajor]

I think he will be completely ineffective on that fourth line though. I see Kartye-Gourde-Tanev being a much more effective 4th line. I know Kartye has not been putting up points but he is part of the cycle that works so well on that 4th line.

If it were me, I would basically be healthy scratching Burakovsky.

McCann-Beniers-Eberle
Schwartz-Stephenson-Bjorkstrand
Tolvy-Wright-Kakko
Kartye-Gourde-Tanev

I'm not ready to break up Wright and Bjorkstrand. One, they've been solidly outscoring opponents. And two, this is Wright's opportunity to learn that forecheck and cycle game, let's keep him going on those lessons from the Maestro. FWIW Wright has been much better with Bjorkstrand than without him. You can say the same for his time with Tolvanen, maybe I'm not giving Tolvy enough credit.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I'm not ready to break up Wright and Bjorkstrand. One, they've been solidly outscoring opponents. And two, this is Wright's opportunity to learn that forecheck and cycle game, let's keep him going on those lessons from the Maestro. FWIW Wright has been much better with Bjorkstrand than without him. You can say the same for his time with Tolvanen, maybe I'm not giving Tolvy enough credit.

I mean, Kakko and Bjorkstrand play super similar games and pairing both with Wright would just increase that and also help Wright learn defensive responsibility- Tolvanen wouldn't be a bad choice either though, as he's another young player who could mesh real well and kid lines generally tend to do pretty well when given the opportunity and have a decent leash. Think Bjorkstrand does better elsewhere in the line up anyways but we have quite a logjam on the wings.

 

[majormajor]

I mean, Kakko and Bjorkstrand play super similar games and pairing both with Wright would just increase that and also help Wright learn defensive responsibility- Tolvanen wouldn't be a bad choice either though, as he's another young player who could mesh real well and kid lines generally tend to do pretty well when given the opportunity and have a decent leash. Think Bjorkstrand does better elsewhere in the line up anyways but we have quite a logjam on the wings.

Bjorkstrand would be fine, at least with Beniers, so far he hasn't looked much better in the Stephenson vortex than anyone else has. But the connection so far with Wright is the top line on the team right now, it's working better than any line we've seen this year.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Bjorkstrand would be fine, at least with Beniers, so far he hasn't looked much better in the Stephenson vortex than anyone else has. But the connection so far with Wright is the top line on the team right now, it's working better than any line we've seen this year.

Right. I'd be happy with either. Wright/Bjorkstrand/Kakko or Wright/Tolvanen/Kakko. But Bjorkstrand and Kakko play very similar games a lot of the time so I don't think you would potentially miss much by swapping Bjorkstrand out for him, at least in the cycling forecheck department.

 

[Fuhrious]

 

[Fuhrious]

I shit on Francis a lot. I think this was class.





Also...

 

[The Marquis]

I shit on Francis a lot. I think this was class.





Also...

That’s how those things should always go. Other players will read that and it will reflect positively on the organization, and perhaps Borgen will areas the word. Class thing to do, but sadly not done enough.

 

[Scomerica]

That’s how those things should always go. Other players will read that and it will reflect positively on the organization, and perhaps Borgen will areas the word. Class thing to do, but sadly not done enough.

Until Francis gets canned at the end of the season. Nothing is working

 

[Fuhrious]

ESPN article talks about trading Gourde to TOR after the roster freeze in exchange for Nick Robertson.

Maaaaaan I hope not. That guy reeks of dud.

 

[GrungeHockey]

I shit on Francis a lot. I think this was class.





Also...

They can always sign him as a free agent after this season. I would suspect Borgen doesn't just sign with the Rags, he will go to market.

 

[Fuhrious]

They can always sign him as a free agent after this season. I would suspect Borgen doesn't just sign with the Rags, he will go to market.

I mean, I don’t really care if they re-sign Borgen during UFA or not, and as for the latter there is no way any of us here could know that. I just meant that I like seeing that the team I support treats players as humans and not “found out I’d been traded on social media” that you hear about rather often.

 

[Dead Coyote]

ESPN article talks about trading Gourde to TOR after the roster freeze in exchange for Nick Robertson.

Maaaaaan I hope not. That guy reeks of dud.

That would be really good value for Gourde and another step in the right direction of replacing our old core players with younger guys. Robertson another guy who hasn't been given much opportunity and would probably play pretty well with Kakko too. Although at some point I get worried when we pick up too many guys who can't skate for shit.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

ESPN article talks about trading Gourde to TOR after the roster freeze in exchange for Nick Robertson.

Maaaaaan I hope not. That guy reeks of dud.

Yeah, I'd want no part of that.

Robertson hasn't done much of anything and screems another overhyped prospect out of Toronto and that media market.

I'd rather Trade Gourde for picks instead of doing that.

That would be really good value for Gourde and another step in the right direction of replacing our old core players with younger guys. Robertson another guy who hasn't been given much opportunity and would probably play pretty well with Kakko too. Although at some point I get worried when we pick up too many guys who can't skate for shit.

I don't think Robertson will amount into much of anything besides a depth forward.

The Kraken don't need more of that given the current team and the fact that they've got a lot of depth at forward in the system.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Yeah, I'd want no part of that.

Robertson hasn't done much of anything and screems another overhyped prospect out of Toronto and that media market.

I'd rather Trade Gourde for picks instead of doing that.



I don't think Robertson will amount into much of anything besides a depth forward.

The Kraken don't need more of that given the current team and the fact that they've got a lot of depth at forward in the system.

Sure, I'm not a huge fan of Robertson either. Mostly because he hasn't earned much or shown much and seems to think he deserves more than that. Plus he's small and not a great skater. But I'd still much rather play him on the 4th line as a player who just turned 23 than someone like Burakovsky, Stephenson or Tanev who are all paid exorbitantly more, have no potential to do anything but regress, and don't fit the timeline anyways. You aren't gonna get a 2nd for Gourde anyways I don't think. And I'd probably prefer to keep Gourde and just offer him less money but I'm also pretty sure I'd rather have a young player who wants to fight for a spot than another aging vet gifted a bottom six spot for no reason and then show up like they have this season.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Sure, I'm not a huge fan of Robertson either. Mostly because he hasn't earned much or shown much and seems to think he deserves more than that. Plus he's small and not a great skater. But I'd still much rather play him on the 4th line as a player who just turned 23 than someone like Burakovsky, Stephenson or Tanev who are all paid exorbitantly more, have no potential to do anything but regress, and don't fit the timeline anyways. You aren't gonna get a 2nd for Gourde anyways I don't think. And I'd probably prefer to keep Gourde and just offer him less money but I'm also pretty sure I'd rather have a young player who wants to fight for a spot than another aging vet gifted a bottom six spot for no reason and then show up like they have this season.

I think people are going to be surprised at the value Gourde returns if he is traded. The Kraken will retain 50% to maximize his value and I think the return will be fairly good.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I think people are going to be surprised at the value Gourde returns if he is traded. The Kraken will retain 50% to maximize his value and I think the return will be fairly good.

Gourde at 50% could definitely get a lot more than I expect, and there's definitely a world in which he could fetch a 1st it's just like...kind of baffling to me that GM's would ever consider trading assets like that for a guy like Gourde who is who he is, but some teams throw away 1sts like candy.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Gourde at 50% could definitely get a lot more than I expect, and there's definitely a world in which he could fetch a 1st it's just like...kind of baffling to me that GM's would ever consider trading assets like that for a guy like Gourde who is who he is, but some teams throw away 1sts like candy.

All you need is one GM. Gourde has a body of work and will be a good addition to most bottom-6 playoff teams.

 

[kihei]

If we could nurse a first round pick for Gourde that would be great. Regardless I'd much rather go the picks route with Gourde than trade him for Robertson who seems to me to be a likely career third liner, if that.