2024-25 General Dallas Stars Talk

[Frozen Failure]

How dare you

I mean, guys who get bought out usually count as scrap... Just because you buy a salvage title Corvette doesn't mean it wasn't "scrap" at one point.

What do you mean by hardware? Cups? You can't mean Cups.

In the seasons following the trade, Seguin finished top ten in goal scoring four times (two of those were top five). It was a better run than Modano ever had.

It's one of the best trades in Stars history by any measure.

Top ten is great but that's low to mid 30s. And no playoff success during that time. And I'm not a Modano fan. And the last five years of Seguin's career have been pedestrian to broken.

I was of the opinion that he should have been traded when his contract was up.

 

[LT]

Scraps is too nice of a word to describe S*ter

 

[Frozen Failure]

I'd frame it another way. Every team has roster holes. It's an intentional side effect of the salary cap. Gary Bettman wants every team to have weaknesses.

The thing with roster holes is whether the rest of the team can play well enough to cover up the weakness. In the playoffs last season, the Stars were able to cover up playing five D by seeing the rest of the roster play good enough to keep winning. Then the PP went from a strength to a zero in the conference final, and it all unraveled.

I mean, I give Nill credit for trying but his attempts at filling a top 4 rhd hole have been Johns, Klingberg and Nils.

And other than that he's finally tried with NHL UFAs who are... OK at best.

He filled the forward holes eventually, it just took him gambling pretty hard for winners.

 

[Troy McClure]

I mean, I give Nill credit for trying but his attempts at filling a top 4 rhd hole have been Johns, Klingberg and Nils.

And other than that he's finally tried with NHL UFAs who are... OK at best.

He filled the forward holes eventually, it just took him gambling pretty hard for winners.

For the RHD, Nill has also spent a 1st rounder (Honka) and a 2nd rounder (Kyrou). He's thrown attempts at it, but they mostly haven't worked. Quality RHD is the rarest commodity. It's very hard to find.

 

[M88K]

I mean, I give Nill credit for trying but his attempts at filling a top 4 rhd hole have been Johns, Klingberg and Nils.

And other than that he's finally tried with NHL UFAs who are... OK at best.

He filled the forward holes eventually, it just took him gambling pretty hard for winners.

??? Klingberg carried a rather pathetic dcore for years

 

[LT]

Nill should only get credit for Klingberg's unreal contract

He was a Nieuwendyk pick

 

[Kcb12345]

From Friedman's 32 thoughts:

18. Watching Dallas in person during my trip to Illinois, I was reminded Miro Heiskanen deserves a Norris Trophy. Not easy in the age of Quinn Hughes and Cale Makar, more visibly spectacular. Heiskanen’s a franchise player, with plenty of it occurring on his weak side. Him not winning a Norris will age poorly. Like, at his Hall-of-Fame induction.

 

[Azzuri]

Easy to look good against the Blackhawks..

That being said, Miro does a lot of amazing things defensively that are subtle and only show if you really watch him. Though i feel like its less than in years past... Gone is his amazing sweep/poke check from his rookie year.

 

[starsfan86]

Easy to look good against the Blackhawks..

That being said, Miro does a lot of amazing things defensively that are subtle and only show if you really watch him. Though i feel like its less than in years past... Gone is his amazing sweep/poke check from his rookie year.

He seems a step slower too now. That might be from playing him too much though.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

I still have seen him use the poke check in a few recent games.

 

[LT]

He seems a step slower too now. That might be from playing him too much though.

I think some of that is deliberate, to help him
conserve energy and be able to play those absurd minutes. He knows he's gonna have many lengthy shifts, so there's no need to skate at 100% all the time.

NHL Edge could tell us more definitively, I can look later if I have time.

 

[Troy McClure]

From Friedman's 32 thoughts:

I could see Miro getting a lifetime achievement Norris similar to how Drew Doughty got his.

The year he won it, Doughty didn’t have the spectacular numbers of some of the other defenders ahead of him, but he had already been a Norris finalist twice by that point and has been a key part of two Cup winning Kings teams. Voters wanted to give it to him because of how good he’d been over his career.

Miro has never garnered many Norris votes because his numbers have never been amongst the best. The best he’s ever finished is seventh in Norris voting, and that was his outlier season when he reached 73 points.

 

[piqued]

Funny that he's winning over the media the worse he plays

 

[Dynamite Time]

Marchment is about 3 weeks out but if this Benn - Duchene - Johnston line stays hot what does Deboer do when he gets back; good problem to have of course but…

 

[Nikki Potnick]

Marchment is about 3 weeks out but if this Benn - Duchene - Johnston line stays hot what does Deboer do when he gets back; good problem to have of course but…

Take Benn out and put him with Stank/Bourque.

 

[Dynamite Time]

Also as the Stars are fixing to hit half way point of the season, and with 4 rookies in as well as Marchment eventually back, the forward group is looking pretty solid.

Not sure if Nill may need to look and spend for another forward if they continue like they have but definitely wouldn’t mind to see him pick up another Tanev.

 

[Dynamite Time]

Take Benn out and put him with Stank/Bourque.

Like that idea, Captain has been playing well with whoever he’s been with for a while.

 

[too374]

And yet, Calgary gave up Tkachuk and Buffalo gave up Eichel. It will happen again, Jim Nill just needs to make sure he's at the front of the line this time.

Always trade with buffalo

They should swing at Dylan cozens. 1st, bichel, cap dump one of duba/lyb conditional 2nd or something

 

[LT]

An absolutely ideal trade deadline would include Rasmus Andersson and Alex Tuch without moving Bourque.

Robertson - Hintz - Tuch
Marchment - Duchene - Seguin
Benn - Johnston - Dadonov
Steel - Bourque - Stankoven
Back, Blackwell

Heiskanen - Andersson
Harley - Lyubushkin
Lindell - Lundkvist/Dumba
Lundkvist/Dumba, Smith
(we probably just run 5 D again in the playoffs)

This would basically require moving at least 4 1sts (Bichsel, Hemming, 2025 and 2026 1sts). Even that may not be enough. Which Nill won't do. But this would set us up to be Cup favorites for the next two playoff runs.

Again, ideal. Not realistic.

 

[catters078]

Despite his improved play, I personally would still keep Bischel over Bourque (if that was a key part of a trade).