Boo Boo
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It’s absurd- our high draft picks who were supposedly on a nice development track have started to get eclipsed by similarly aged grinder prospects. It’s just not adding up.
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Exactly this. Every single player, fan, exec anywhere would want nothing to do with Cronin.
Classic “If it walks like one, maybe it is one” scenario
70sSanO
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I actually think something will change.
Right now every single player that Verbeek has acquired is failing.
Either he has missed the mark on all of them or the coaching is failing to get them to play at the level they are capable.
“Development” is overblown. I’m so tired of hearing that word.
They all know how to play. They just need to put in a position to succeed; and move past their youthful mistakes.
John
Right now every single player that Verbeek has acquired is failing.
Either he has missed the mark on all of them or the coaching is failing to get them to play at the level they are capable.
“Development” is overblown. I’m so tired of hearing that word.
They all know how to play. They just need to put in a position to succeed; and move past their youthful mistakes.
John
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I agree. I actually now think there is a decent chance (20-30%) chance they move on from Cronin during the season. Previously thought there was no way. Ducks are entering a really tough stretch of games.
It's pathetic how we can't score more than a goal or two. We have very little ability to sustain pressure. Now Cronin is showing his true colours and is really starting to favour his vets. I thought there were vibes last year which intimated fondness for vets and grinder types and now it's being realized in terms of actual lineup decisions at the expense of our young guys.
Dr Johnny Fever
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Not sure what the first sentence is supposed to mean. Is there some kind of a political statement there?
It’s people giving rational opinions on why this team seems to have very good young talent but can’t seem to make any progress achieving results with any of them. Nobody is forced to agree with it but given those guys aren’t Ducks fans they have no bias one way or the other.
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CrazyDuck4u
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Nothing will change untill Our dumb ass GM realizes his f*** up of a hire is not a fit for this team and makes the change.
All Mighty
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It just means that people hop on the bandwagon when someone posts something that makes a situation look a certain way, even though there’s no real evidence (like the Zegras lip reading thing). People see him score a goal where he doesn’t celebrate and suddenly everyone is saying how he lost his love for the game or whatever. Maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not, but people make up their mind about it and run with it and go on to create their own narratives about what’s happening.
I guess my biggest issue is that the people in the video made it pretty clear that they don’t watch the Ducks at all (and I wouldn’t expect them to). Yet they saw this one short clip of Zegras and came to a bunch of different conclusions. That’s the kind of surface level analysis I would expect to see from people on Twitter (the original Zegras clip has hundreds of responses saying similar things). I’m just tired of the “Zegras look sad, he must hate being Duck” narrative that everyone is throwing around. Again, maybe that is actually the case, but it’s still a pretty big leap to make from such little information.
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Sniperberg
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The comments made by the Sharks players right before (or was it after) Quinn got fired were something along the lines of: "We dont really know where we are supposed to be" or whatever which is eerily similar to the comments made from our players regarding Cronins system earlier.
I do like it when players and coaches get a long-ish leash but that entails showing some sort of progress. As it stands right now, atleast in my eyes, the team is regressing at a rapid rate.
Cronin probably needs to go right now.
I do like it when players and coaches get a long-ish leash but that entails showing some sort of progress. As it stands right now, atleast in my eyes, the team is regressing at a rapid rate.
Cronin probably needs to go right now.
NWWisconsinDuck
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Yeah I’ve given Cronin the benefit of the doubt but…
Smirnov2Chistov
Fire Greg Cronin!
benefit of the doubt? What has he shown to deserve that? lol
We have now become Buffalo West.
Reveille1984
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I think by nature most decent humans like to give other humans a chance to not be terrible before passing judgement.
This period for Cronin has come and gone... let judgment be passed!
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"Garrard Gallant is the guy you go after"
GDT is locked so couldn't reply there.
Absolutely not. Gallant is a guy you hire if you already have a playoff capable roster and you're just trying to have one really good season. Everywhere he's been he plays the taskmaster and finds a system that works for one year, then he settled into being a "player's coach" and his teams would get complacent.
No one thought Vegas' year one roster had that capacity but it was still a majority veteran team. I cannot think of one young player he has adequately developed and he was part of the decision making duo that set Cody Glass up for failure (who would've thought playing a lanky 19 year old on his off position on the third line with a Killornesque turnover machine (Eakin) would force the kid to play "go get the puck" from third and fourth line bruisers, causing three significant injuries he never really bounced back from?)
Past Cronin, there's few names I'd be less excited to have developing this youth core than Gerard Gallant. Stay the f*** away.
Edit: tbf I guess Alex Tuch developed all right under Gallant but he didn't really take off as a player until DeBoer stepped in. Shea was already significantly developed by the time he joined Vegas and his play didn't really hit the next level until DeBoer.
"Garrard Gallant is the guy you go after"
GDT is locked so couldn't reply there.
Absolutely not. Gallant is a guy you hire if you already have a playoff capable roster and you're just trying to have one really good season. Everywhere he's been he plays the taskmaster and finds a system that works for one year, then he settled into being a "player's coach" and his teams would get complacent.
No one thought Vegas' year one roster had that capacity but it was still a majority veteran team. I cannot think of one young player he has adequately developed and he was part of the decision making duo that set Cody Glass up for failure (who would've thought playing a lanky 19 year old on his off position on the third line with a Killornesque turnover machine (Eakin) would force the kid to play "go get the puck" from third and fourth line bruisers, causing three significant injuries he never really bounced back from?)
Past Cronin, there's few names I'd be less excited to have developing this youth core than Gerard Gallant. Stay the f*** away.
Edit: tbf I guess Alex Tuch developed all right under Gallant but he didn't really take off as a player until DeBoer stepped in. Shea was already significantly developed by the time he joined Vegas and his play didn't really hit the next level until DeBoer.
Dr Johnny Fever
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Yes, they did point at that one incedent. But the issue goes further than that. It isn't hard to see this team is far from having fun. People who dread going to work usually aren't your best performers. And the point they made about the actual talent level of the young Ducks goes back to a point I've made before, which is...at some point you have to either think we over rated our scouts and the players they drafted, or we have the wrong people trying to develop them.
This team has a major problem in everybody (but especially the young players) under performing. That's a macro level problem. The fact that somebody points to one indecent as representative of the bigger problem does not invalidate the criticism of the people responsible for the bigger problem.
They're losing. No one is going to have fun when you lose. So then it's the chicken/egg conundrum:
1. They're still not good enough to win so they lose which makes them miserable. Which raises the questions: why are they still not good enough to win and what needs to be done differently to get them there?
2. They actually are good enough to win but they're playing for a miserable coach and a miserable GM which is causing them to be miserable and lose which is making them more miserable. In which case you fire the coach and possibly the GM and hope that the next guys aren't assholes.
But which is it? Two is a simpler solution on paper, but in reality is much harder to resolve given our owners historically have given underperforming executives long leashes. One is a much more difficult question to answer and raises existential questions about descending into Buffalo-hell.
It's a mess.
Dr Johnny Fever
RIP Grizzly 399
Well, as was pointed out in the video usually you start by firing the coach before dumping young players at fire sale prices. But if somebody's ego is too big to admit they may have made a mistake in hiring that coach then you have an even bigger problem.
As you said, it's a mess.
