Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[Boo Boo]

i think Cro and Randy are cut from the same cloth. Except Randy is a much better tactician. Both are inflexible but I think Randy at least knew how to switch things up when his roster demanded it even if he was reluctant to. Cronin I don’t think has any idea of what to do. His solutions in postgames are always to shoot more and essentially stop standing around as much (skate more). I think these are in large part symptoms of a larger systemic issue and not the source itself.

This makes sense given that Cronin was Randy’s protege in Toronto If I remember correctly

 

[MMC]

Cronin tries to make the players fit his system rather than make his system fit the players. Good coaches do the opposite, which is why I’m of the opinion that they’d be better under another coach.

BB changed his system every single year to match whatever BM gave him to play with.

 

[Ducks DVM]

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Nah, we are discussing.

 

[AngelDuck]

i think Cro and Randy are cut from the same cloth. Except Randy is a much better tactician. Both are inflexible but I think Randy at least knew how to switch things up when his roster demanded it even if he was reluctant to. Cronin I don’t think has any idea of what to do. His solutions in postgames are always to shoot more and essentially stop standing around as much (skate more). I think these are in large part symptoms of a larger systemic issue and not the source itself.

Well said

 

[potatopieee]

Eakins pushed offensive at the cost of structure and defense. Cronin pushes defense at the cost of offense. Cronin is supposed to be teaching structure but either he is bad at it or the players are bad at it or both. It's fair to say both are failures because they are not creating a balanced team.

There is no question some of the blame is placed on the players. For example, early in the season, there were multiple 1 goal games where the players hit posts or missed the net instead of scoring. That's not on Cronin.

However, his focus on dump and chase, questionable lineup decisions, confusing PP construction, system issues that forces early season changes, issues with communication that caused players to be upset, lack of answers for problems with the team, multiple young players not developing, his focus on the 4th line, uneven treatment of young players, confusing overtime choices, lack of ability to get his players to shoot the puck instead of passing to the outside, and the list goes on. There are too many obvious problems that it makes me nervous about what we're not seeing. It's really bad and he should not be the coach.

IIRC, Eakins preached defense first and his teams were constantly getting blown out

 

[Ducks DVM]

IIRC, Eakins preached defense first and his teams were constantly getting blown out

To be fair, his roster that last year would’ve lost in the AHL.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

 

[Ducks DVM]

Clearly trying to get the better brother to sign here again.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Clearly trying to get the better brother to sign here again.

I thought it was Verbeek giving Ryan the Minty Monitoring Mentorship program from the box seats. With Verbeek pointing to his brother and saying, "Play like him."

 

[JAHV]

Clearly trying to get the better brother to sign here again.

I wanted both brothers to sign that offseason. Alas, we did not get Niedermayer redux.

 

[Dryish]

Honestly, as hard-nosed and conservative as Verbeek can be, at least he doesn't seem like a bad dude.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

A write up on Colangelo, from THN

“He's an interesting player because he can score (and) he's had a history of scoring," Ducks head coach Greg Cronin said of Colangelo. "I think he was a top-five or six goalscorer in college. When he went from Northeastern to Western Michigan, I think there was an element of a rebrand there in terms of his habits. Pat Ferschweiler has done a really good job in Western Michigan developing the players there. He coached in the NHL for a while, so I think he understands which skills transfer to the NHL level.​

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"And I think that Sammy did a really good job buying into what Pat and his staff were teaching him there in terms of being harder on pucks, not being a one-dimensional scorer. He can skate and our adage is if you're getting hits and getting sticks into battles, then you're skating. If you're not on that spreadsheet, you're probably not skating fast enough. He's a player who can connect himself to those stats symbolically. I think that's just a reflection of his ability to get up and down the ice and finish his checks, which isn't in the same bubble as a goalscorer, but he knows he has to do that to play in the lineup."​

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I think it's a bit of a different role that I played down (in San Diego) versus what I played (in Anaheim) so far," Colangelo said. "Down there, I'm playing a lot more.​

It feels like we're coaching the offense out of Colangelo at the NHL level and developing a 4th liner. The puck seems to following him in games. Why not try him out in a top-6 and give him more minutes?

Here is a cringy Cronin-isms, "If you're not on that spreadsheet, you're probably not skating fast enough." Guess skate faster is the solution to Cronin's problems, not scheme, anticipation, nor player advantages on the ice. If effort is a problem, then why isn't the coach motivating the players to reach the effort the coach wants?

 

[Reveille1984]

Just further speaks to Cronin's inability really to speak to anything tactically or systems wise. Everyone has to be "hardnosed" and "tough to play against" and "finish their checks".

At this point I think I'd actually take what Cronin likes to call a "one-dimensional goal scorer" over whatever the hell he's doing to these guys.

 

[Firequacker]

What in the absolute word salad does "he can connect himself to those stats symbolically" mean? Maybe the team should just start playing how they want without Cronin's input (it improved things at the end of last season!) and when he complains, tell him they're connecting themselves to his system symbolically.

Just further speaks to Cronin's inability really to speak to anything tactically or systems wise. Everyone has to be "hardnosed" and "tough to play against" and "finish their checks".

At this point I think I'd actually take what Cronin likes to call a "one-dimensional goal scorer" over whatever the hell he's doing to these guys.

I'm onboard with making everyone tougher to play against right up until he says that finishing checks "isn't in the same bubble" as being a goal scorer. No? He thinks that Venn diagram is just two separate circles? I think we've found the problem.
(I assume what he's actually attempting to say there is that you can easily have one without the other, not that you can only have have one without the other, but man what a weird way to talk about it.)

 

[Lord Flashheart]

A write up on Colangelo, from THN

“He's an interesting player because he can score (and) he's had a history of scoring," Ducks head coach Greg Cronin said of Colangelo. "I think he was a top-five or six goalscorer in college. When he went from Northeastern to Western Michigan, I think there was an element of a rebrand there in terms of his habits. Pat Ferschweiler has done a really good job in Western Michigan developing the players there. He coached in the NHL for a while, so I think he understands which skills transfer to the NHL level.​

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"And I think that Sammy did a really good job buying into what Pat and his staff were teaching him there in terms of being harder on pucks, not being a one-dimensional scorer. He can skate and our adage is if you're getting hits and getting sticks into battles, then you're skating. If you're not on that spreadsheet, you're probably not skating fast enough. He's a player who can connect himself to those stats symbolically. I think that's just a reflection of his ability to get up and down the ice and finish his checks, which isn't in the same bubble as a goalscorer, but he knows he has to do that to play in the lineup."​

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I think it's a bit of a different role that I played down (in San Diego) versus what I played (in Anaheim) so far," Colangelo said. "Down there, I'm playing a lot more.​

It feels like we're coaching the offense out of Colangelo at the NHL level and developing a 4th liner. The puck seems to following him in games. Why not try him out in a top-6 and give him more minutes?

Here is a cringy Cronin-isms, "If you're not on that spreadsheet, you're probably not skating fast enough." Guess skate faster is the solution to Cronin's problems, not scheme, anticipation, nor player advantages on the ice. If effort is a problem, then why isn't the coach motivating the players to reach the effort the coach wants?

Well gotta love the reverse of Eakins' perfect game is a 0 hits game. Equally stupid though.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Well gotta love the reverse of Eakins' perfect game is a 0 hits game. Equally stupid though.

Eakins is 100% right, people just misquote it. The point he was making that you can only make a hit when the other team possesses the puck, so thus in a perfect game you’d have 100% possession and would never have the ability to make a hit.

That got taken out of context by people who for some reason thought he was anti-physical play.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Honestly, as hard-nosed and conservative as Verbeek can be, at least he doesn't seem like a bad dude.

The way he wanted Sennecke to be absolutely shocked that he was gonna be picked at #3 is really nice. Not only were they super confident he was their guy but didn't do anymore interviews and they really seemed to enjoy seeing how special draft night was the whole Sennecke family.

 

[Lord Flashheart]

Eakins is 100% right, people just misquote it. The point he was making that you can only make a hit when the other team possesses the puck, so thus in a perfect game you’d have 100% possession and would never have the ability to make a hit.

That got taken out of context by people who for some reason thought he was anti-physical play.

I know exactly what it means, and I don't think it's anti-physical. He's 100% right only in a vacuum. In reality it's a complete nonsense as it omits important parts of a hockey game. That's the point.

 

[Kalv]

I'm done with Pat as well. I know this was like 20 years ago or smth, but how many red flags do you have to ignore to hire and then keep this guy. Pat is part of the problem in my eyes.

 

[MMC]

I'm done with Pat as well. I know this was like 20 years ago or smth, but how many red flags do you have to ignore to hire and then keep this guy. Pat is part of the problem in my eyes.

I don't really put much stock into SC

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Need to hire Gerard Gallant

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

After Boudreau’s message to Hazy last night, both of them were gushing about how much fun he is to be around.

Just fire Cronin and bring BB in to have some fun for like half of a season while we search a long term solution.

 

[Rybread86]

After Boudreau’s message to Hazy last night, both of them were gushing about how much fun he is to be around.

Just fire Cronin and bring BB in to have some fun for like half of a season while we search a long term solution.

The feeling I got from BBs interview with SC was he wasnt looking to get back into the NHL

 

[Rybread86]

I'm done with Pat as well. I know this was like 20 years ago or smth, but how many red flags do you have to ignore to hire and then keep this guy. Pat is part of the problem in my eyes.

I could care less about how he treated guys 20 years ago or even last year. Also, how shit happened 20 years ago is vastly different than today. The problem with the stories from SC about Cronin is they have never said their "sources" told them anything about THIS year. Thats all I care about. Has he changed up after last years exit interviews or not? Are players still walking on egg shells around him, is he still a rough ass who guys dont want to be around? If so, then ya, hes gotta go. If not, then everything needs to be based off performance and these stories dont matter, its just shitting on a guy for the past.

 

[KelVarnsen]

The feeling I got from BBs interview with SC was he wasnt looking to get back into the NHL

I know he has said in the past after he was fired he would like to coach again. I would take him in a heartbeat over dumb ass Cronin. I agree with @ZegrassyKnoll that the Ducks should hire him to make hockey fun again for some of these players. He would also teach them how to actually play offense instead of whatever the hell Cronin is teaching them.