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That's awesome for the Sharks. Damn their rebuild is going well.
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henchman21
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Bill Peckerskull
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In only 2 years of rebuilding he got a potential all star 1C, a potential middle of the road 1C, a potential 1D and a potential 1G
and there's a decent chance that all these players reach their ceiling.
henchman21
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So odds are Edstrom and ~20th pick for Askarov and a 3rd. Ritchie + 1st is a the rough equivalent here. Nashville got good value in a tough situation, San Jose got the player with the much higher ceiling.
I'm making jokes.
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basically the same value as Ullmark/Kuemper trades which are the two biggest goalie trade returns I can think on in recent memory.
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Foppa2118
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I don't know about Aman, but Sherwood got a decent shot. He was fine, but didn't stand out enough to be upset with losing at the time. He was very good with the Eagles though.
I think the Avs have a history of underapreciating good 4th liners (less so recently), but if you're doing a risk/reward calculation for whether you give extra time to see if 1st round picks turn into good NHLers so you don't trade them too soon, versus giving extra time to pure 4th liners you might lose to UFA, I think you have to prioritize the 1st round picks.
Even if the results end up being the 4th liner was better than you thought, and the 1st round pick wasn't as good, it's still the right strategic decision IMO.
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Such a good GM for being able to tear it down and be lucky in a lottery
Still has done awful job with his trades, aside from maybe this one. We don't know what the other teams were offering, but it's a steep price IMO considering the situation. If Askarov hits, well worth it of course.
henchman21
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Yup, Trotz got quite a bit here... especially as unproven as Askarov is.
Slightly different situation, but reminds me of Varly. Edstrom pays for the protection on the pick/difference in value on mid 1sts.
Watch askarov demand a trade in a few years of tanking. AVSkarov is still alive.
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I strongly disagree. It's hard to move old ass players and it's even harder to move long contracts with high AAV. When you combine old + high AAV + long contracts it's borderline unmovable but he still did it.Such a good GM for being able to tear it down and be lucky in a lottery
Still has done awful job with his trades, aside from maybe this one. We don't know what the other teams were offering, but it's a steep price IMO considering the situation. If Askarov hits, well worth it of course.
I really like the demolition job that Grier has done considering the absolute shitshow that he inherited... and now we're watching him stockpiling high end pieces like that. Damn.
henchman21
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Poor guy would be going from a team trying not to tank, to one unintentionally tanking.
LOFIN
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Anyone could've moved Hertl and EK65 after the season he had and by retaining more, might've actually gotten proper value. Funny, how you are criticizing the Columbus ownership in the Around the league thread for taking poor value of Laine by not retaining, while Grier absolutely botched the value of Hertl and EK65 by doing some mickey mouse retentions that last for multiple years, taking up valuable retention slots that could also be used in brokering other deals. Maybe that was the ownership, who knows.
I do think the Sharks are moving well with their rebuild. But I think they could be even further along, if they had a smarter GM than Grier. Tearing down a team is pretty easy in the end. Then you just hope for lottery luck, which they got.
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I'm anticipating that the Ducks and Sharks in 3-4 years will make the Avs west coast trips miserable.
henchman21
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How could hanging out at EJ's Newport Beach place for a few days be miserable?
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Dude, Laine's contract expires at age 28 (2 years left). EK at age 37 (had 5 years left). Hertl at age 36 (had over 6 years left).
The situations aren't the same at all.
The Pens and Vegas got f***ed, not the Sharks.
LOFIN
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The Sharks did the right thing getting rid of those players, sure. But those trades were awful for the Sharks. They still retain some salary, so they are not completely out of them, and they are spending multiple years on valuable retention slots. And they did not get proper assets, because they didn't retain more. They half-assed the whole thing.
You either get out of those contracts in their entirety (which the Blue Jackets did with Laine) OR you retain like 50% and get a shit ton of assets. Now they did neither.
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The Sharks could have but projecting that you won't need the cap space for 4-5 years down the line is a lot tougher than 2 years.
Now if CBJ turn around and spend the Laine cap hit on other players it's going to be another story...but if ownership chose to pocket the money instead of getting a return and keeping their 2nd round pick it's a damn shame and IMO a lot worse than what the Sharks did.
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Will be interesting to see what the Canucks do here. Lankinen is still available, but what message does that send to Silovs? But are they ready to just run with Silovs and some nobody?
Demko is eligible for an extension next summer. He would have to be pretty lights out and have the Canucks go deep this year to justify commitment at this point. Guy is made of glass.
Demko is eligible for an extension next summer. He would have to be pretty lights out and have the Canucks go deep this year to justify commitment at this point. Guy is made of glass.
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If you’re Seravelli and Grier doesn’t share information with you the way Hughes does, yes you do.
