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If Landy was done and retired, i could see how getting someone like Tkachuk would make sense, but right now I don’t see how we can trade for him. I guess another way it would make sense is if Avs were planning on letting Mikko walk as UFA, but I don’t see that happening
 
1. Mikko has a 9 team no-trade list and the Canadian teams are most certainly on the list. The Senators suck. Why would he waive to go there?

2. Even if he waived to go to Ottawa, he would be a pure rental. Why does Ottawa want a soon-to-be UFA for one of their most valuable assets?

3. The Avs won’t trade Rantanen in a Cup contending season. He extends or he walks.

Now, my opinion…

4. Tkachuk isn’t as good as Rantanen. Period. Overrated player. Can’t play centre effectively and is actually not good defensively despite a reputation. He’s a 35 goal scorer who takes bad penalties and isn’t good in his own zone.
Yeah, lots of semantics to work through obviously. I was just framing it in the same way the Huberdeau trade was. Pending UFA, NMC to a Canadian team etc. Money talks and if that's what Mikko's priority is (which it seemingly is, considering he's still not signed) then you never know. Ottawa would have to have enough confidence to sign him long term if it ever got to that point regardless. And if they are humoring moving their captain they would have to want win-now pieces. If they want pure futures then the Avs would have no chance, for obvious reasons. As for Brady being overrated, that's in the eye of the beholder. He wouldn't be asked to play center here. He'd be stapled to MacKinnon and add a completely new dynamic with his tenacity. He wouldn't be falling on his ass every other shift, that's for sure.
 
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Yeah, lots of semantics to work through obviously. I was just framing it in the same way the Huberdeau trade was. Pending UFA, NMC to a Canadian team etc. Money talks and if that's what Mikko's priority is (which it seemingly is, considering he's still not signed) then you never know. Ottawa would have to have enough confidence to sign him long term if it ever got to that point regardless. And if they are humoring moving their captain they would have to want win-now pieces. If they want pure futures then the Avs would have no chance, for obvious reason. As for Brady being overrated, that's in the eye of the beholder. He wouldn't be asked to play center here. He'd be stapled to MacKinnon and add a completely new dynamic with his tenacity. He wouldn't be falling on his ass every other shift, that's for sure.
He also wouldn't be producing anything close to what Rantanen is capable of producing.
 
What if he hasn't ? What if he screws us over for a third time in a row at the very worst possible time?

For me that's 100% absolutely WAY DUMBER than trading him for something lesser but something that's still going to help you and for that assurance that you're not going to have to live through that again.

What's that saying 'fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me' - I don't even want to get into 'fool me thrice'.

I mean, I get it - he's a great player and he's even better come playoff time which is why I believe that there's probably a GM out there that's willing to roll the dice... but I think the Avs should be done with rolling the dice with this guy.

Put it this way - if Nuke screws the Avs over for 3 consecutive playoffs and wastes THREE YEARS of prime MacKinnon and Makar - what will we think back about this era in 5, 10 years - oh what could have been.
Bender, the future isn't written. As much as it may seem like it, you can't actually predict the future with any reliability. We could trade Nuke for a lesser player, and the result is Nuke goes beast mode for his new team and the guy we get ends up on IR. It's an easy example, but yeah, I point to Kadri as a perfect case of someone with a narrative surrounding him that he had "screwed over" his team in the playoffs two seasons in a row. He was traded explicitly because of that narrative, and it was a mistake. It's honestly when I finally decided once and for all that Kyle Dubas is a bad GM. You don't let narratives drive your decision-making. You make cool, calculated decisions based on facts.

Also, I know it's a gospel narrative around these parts, but we really should stop with the idea that he is responsible for the Avs last two playoff exits. He's a great player, but he's not the sole difference between winning and losing those series. Yes, you could argue the team was shaken by the circumstances of his loss, but to me that speaks way more to a lack of character and leadership on the team than anything Nuke did. Any player can be dropped by an injury at any moment - do you just fall apart as a team when that happens? Or do you have a "next man up" mentality? The whole reason you have depth and leadership is so you can still succeed when the top guys are playing poorly or are out of the lineup. The problem with the Avs the past two seasons is they didn't have what it takes to overcome a loss like Nuke.
Not really, I think the damage was done there. Besides which, they decided as an organization that Tavares was going to be their 2C going forward, and Babcock wasn't being exorcised from the organization like he should've been at least a year earlier than he was, so...
I'll take this as the counter to my point above that Kadri is a great example of why not to trade Nuke. Yes, damage was done, but that's what leadership and team culture is for. You rebuild the trust and the damaged relationships, and you instill a professional attitude. Also, indeed Tavares was penciled in to be their 2C. So? Kadri was on a cheap cost-controlled contract and provided that team with insane center depth. That's three scoring lines, and someone who can easily slot in to the first or second line in a pinch. That team could have easily put Tavares, Matthews or Kadri on the wing at times to load up. And as we saw, as Tavares ages, it would likely have been beneficial to put him on the wing, and in that case you would have had Kadri right there to step in. He would have also provided them the depth they need to be able to withstand a Marner or Nylander trade, which was the actual correct move to balance out the team better. They could have been patient with it too, and moved Marner/Nylander for their ideal defense target as they bacame available. Instead they sold low on Kadri and got the exact opposite kind of defenseman they needed in Barrie, and a 3rd line center who was a huge step down from Kadri in Kerfoot.

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To me, it's quite simple. I don't think it will improve the team in the long or short term to trade Nuke. Yes, keeping him is a risk, but I think the odds of him getting suspended again are actually less than the odds that trading him hurts the team.
 
Naturally. The guy is paid 8M annually, 4,5M-5M less than Mikko will be.

In EASports we could have him and a 8M goalie instead of Mikko and Georgiev.
If by some miracle Mikko is willing to sign in Ottawa, I'd do the deal all day. We get a player the same size, 3 years younger, who already scores at a point per game pace on a crap team and is under team control for 3 more years . He's also the team captain and plays with type of physicality the Avs lack in their top 6 with Landy out. His contract runs out the same year as Toews. I'd also argue that while Mikko is obviously a great player, the difference in scoring between him and Tkachuk could potentially just be playing with MacKinnon, and if we made the swap their point totals could swap as well.

Meanwhile, as you point out, with Tkachuk's 8.2M vs Mikko's 12+M, we could put that money towards a goalie and/or more depth. We could then offer the money to sign whoever ends up as UFA that we want between guys like Thompson, Vejmelka, Daccord, Blackwood, or Hill, or make a trade for someone like Gibson.
 
But...but HOW on earth will the trouba family be able to move on ???

His wife works in NY - there are probably NO other jobs in california... they have to somehow find a way to put food on the table.

Man, being a millionaire seems really, really hard. :sarcasm:
Her residency ends this year I think. But I give full credit to Trouba, even as a NYR fan, for putting his wife's life up there in priorities. Most hockey wifes and GFs do f*** all, she actually has a career. They also have a very young child, talking a year old or less.

Anaheim does have a hell of an asset on their hands though, Trouba at 50%? There's going to be a f***ing line.
 
If the Avs season ended today they wouldn't even be in the playoffs. There's no contention going on.
Still need a real 2C , a goalie, another dman with some size and some health.

This team needs to be ruthless ala Vegas.

Mitts and Georgiev must be the money out.
 
Still need a real 2C , a goalie, another dman with some size and some health.

This team needs to be ruthless ala Vegas.

Mitts and Georgiev must be the money out.


If Mitts is permanently broken we're f***ed unless Mikko finally decides he's willing to play center.

If Mitts is still playing like shit in January the only thing I can think of is calling Calgary and seeing if they'll make a swap for Kadri.

The team needs the leadership anyway.
 
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Bender, the future isn't written. As much as it may seem like it, you can't actually predict the future with any reliability. We could trade Nuke for a lesser player, and the result is Nuke goes beast mode for his new team and the guy we get ends up on IR. It's an easy example, but yeah, I point to Kadri as a perfect case of someone with a narrative surrounding him that he had "screwed over" his team in the playoffs two seasons in a row. He was traded explicitly because of that narrative, and it was a mistake. It's honestly when I finally decided once and for all that Kyle Dubas is a bad GM. You don't let narratives drive your decision-making. You make cool, calculated decisions based on facts.

Also, I know it's a gospel narrative around these parts, but we really should stop with the idea that he is responsible for the Avs last two playoff exits. He's a great player, but he's not the sole difference between winning and losing those series. Yes, you could argue the team was shaken by the circumstances of his loss, but to me that speaks way more to a lack of character and leadership on the team than anything Nuke did. Any player can be dropped by an injury at any moment - do you just fall apart as a team when that happens? Or do you have a "next man up" mentality? The whole reason you have depth and leadership is so you can still succeed when the top guys are playing poorly or are out of the lineup. The problem with the Avs the past two seasons is they didn't have what it takes to overcome a loss like Nuke.

I'll take this as the counter to my point above that Kadri is a great example of why not to trade Nuke. Yes, damage was done, but that's what leadership and team culture is for. You rebuild the trust and the damaged relationships, and you instill a professional attitude. Also, indeed Tavares was penciled in to be their 2C. So? Kadri was on a cheap cost-controlled contract and provided that team with insane center depth. That's three scoring lines, and someone who can easily slot in to the first or second line in a pinch. That team could have easily put Tavares, Matthews or Kadri on the wing at times to load up. And as we saw, as Tavares ages, it would likely have been beneficial to put him on the wing, and in that case you would have had Kadri right there to step in. He would have also provided them the depth they need to be able to withstand a Marner or Nylander trade, which was the actual correct move to balance out the team better. They could have been patient with it too, and moved Marner/Nylander for their ideal defense target as they bacame available. Instead they sold low on Kadri and got the exact opposite kind of defenseman they needed in Barrie, and a 3rd line center who was a huge step down from Kadri in Kerfoot.

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To me, it's quite simple. I don't think it will improve the team in the long or short term to trade Nuke. Yes, keeping him is a risk, but I think the odds of him getting suspended again are actually less than the odds that trading him hurts the team.
I don't agree. Sure, no one can see the future but you can't seriously equate a random injury that can accidentally happen to ANY player to how Val dropped out of the playoffs the last 2 years? One is an unfortunate part of the game where his teammates say "ahh dammit" the other his teammates say "WTF did he just do?"

I really don't understand how anyone could really spin it the way you are right now.... is this for real? I mean it happened the first time against Seattle a series that we lost in Game #7 by 1 goal. You don't think a Top-6 forward the way he's able to perform in the playoffs COULD have been the difference between winning and losing that series?

Then he comes back and apparently - all is forgiven - and personally my thoughts were 'he's going to be awesome, he's gonna wanna make up for last year' and what does he do? The complete opposite, he f***ING BRITNEY SPEARS US and woops he does it AGAIN... and you point to lack of leadership for this team being in COMPLETE DISBELIEF that this selfish piece of shit could screw over what they have worked for all year AGAIN, 2 years in a row with the same f***ing bullshit???

There's no Mark Messier-Gordie Howe-Joe Sakic frankenstein NHL Captain monster that is going to make that entire team believe that 'hey, everything is fine'.

The whole Kadri argument holds no water for me. Just because he was traded here and ended winning the Cup on a team as deep as the Avs were in 2022, doesn't take away from any of the THREE playoff suspensions he had with the Leafs AND the Avs in the four years prior where he became unavailable to his team to continue to compete for the Cup. He didn't get suspended in the 2022 playoffs - it's a miracle ! Bravo ! Is that the standard now?

Finally, I feel like I'm the only one who can see Bruce Willis. WTF am I really the only one seeing MacKinnon's game gone from 'MVP Mack' to 'pre-Duchene Trade Mack' since November 15th ???

I don't think we're winning anything without MVP Mack.
 
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If Mitts is permanently broken we're f***ed unless Mikko finally decides he's willing to play center.

If Mitts is still playing like shit in January the only thing I can think of is calling Calgary and seeing if they'll make a swap for Kadri.
I was thinking this too, force Mikko to play center and move Mitts to the wing for now. Then go see about Kadri yes.

And get some muscle on d , without Manson it's Charmin soft and even with him another is needed.
 
I don't agree. Sure, no one can see the future but you can't seriously equate a random injury that can accidentally happen to ANY player to how Val dropped out of the playoffs the last 2 years? One is an unfortunate part of the game where his teammates say "ahh dammit" the other his teammates say "WTF did he just do?"

I really don't understand how anyone could really spin it the way you are right now.... is this for real? I mean it happened the first time against Seattle a series that we lost in Game #7 by 1 goal. You don't think a Top-6 forward the way he's able to perform in the playoffs COULD have been the difference between winning and losing that series?

Then he comes back and apparently - all is forgiven - and personally my thoughts were 'he's going to be awesome, he's gonna wanna make up for last year' and what does he do? The complete opposite, he f***ING BRITNEY SPEARS US and woops he does it AGAIN... and you point to lack of leadership for this team being in COMPLETE DISBELIEF that this selfish piece of shit could screw over what they have worked for all year AGAIN, 2 years in a row with the same f***ing bullshit???

There's no Mark Messier-Gordie Howe-Joe Sakic frankenstein NHL Captain monster that is going to make that entire team believe that 'hey, everything is fine'.

The whole Kadri argument holds no water for me. Just because he was traded here and ended winning the Cup on a team as deep as the Avs were in 2022, doesn't take away from any of the THREE playoff suspensions he had with the Leafs AND the Avs in the four years prior where he became unavailable to his team to continue to compete for the Cup. He didn't get suspended in the 2022 playoffs - it's a miracle ! Bravo ! Is that the standard now?

Finally, I feel like I'm the only one who can see Bruce Willis. WTF am I really the only one seeing MacKinnon's game gone from 'MVP Mack' to 'pre-Duchene Trade Mack' since November 15th ???

I don't think we're winning anything without MVP Mack.

Kadri would be a better target than Kreider IMO.

I don't disagree with you, but I don't want to either lol.
 
3. The Avs won’t trade Rantanen in a Cup contending season. He extends or he walks.
Yep. As much as it violates my sense of proper asset management, this looks more and more like the path.

I’m hard pressed to think of another alternative to fixing this roster, other than using Rantanen’s salary to do it. Especially given the state of Colorado’s prospect system. Rantanen can surely score goals. But $14M could really shore up a couple of positions on the roster.
 
I was thinking this too, force Mikko to play center and move Mitts to the wing for now. Then go see about Kadri yes.

And get some muscle on d , without Manson it's Charmin soft and even with him another is needed.

Head in the clouds thought: Wouldn’t hate adding Oleksiak. Need to address the goaltending first though. Otherwise the Avs are just treading water.
 
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If by some miracle Mikko is willing to sign in Ottawa, I'd do the deal all day. We get a player the same size, 3 years younger, who already scores at a point per game pace on a crap team and is under team control for 3 more years . He's also the team captain and plays with type of physicality the Avs lack in their top 6 with Landy out. His contract runs out the same year as Toews. I'd also argue that while Mikko is obviously a great player, the difference in scoring between him and Tkachuk could potentially just be playing with MacKinnon, and if we made the swap their point totals could swap as well.

Meanwhile, as you point out, with Tkachuk's 8.2M vs Mikko's 12+M, we could put that money towards a goalie and/or more depth. We could then offer the money to sign whoever ends up as UFA that we want between guys like Thompson, Vejmelka, Daccord, Blackwood, or Hill, or make a trade for someone like Gibson.
I agree with all this. I don't know that it would be a miracle if Rants would want to sign in Ottawa or not... I mean, every guy is different. If Mikko doesn't want to sign with the Avs for what they are offering which is I'm sure STILL a massively lucrative deal and just wants to reset the market for wingers then maybe he doesn't care who he plays for.

Unrestricted Free Agency sometimes can be surprising especially when you look at what Gaudreau and Kadri ended up signing for and maybe more importantly where they ended up signing.

I think a Rantanen trade at this point is a sign and trade otherwise you're better off just keeping him. Unless that Marner for Rants trade materializes which I wouldn't hate as long as the Avs knew they could re-sign him. I think Rants is a better scorer and playoff performer but Marner is a better play driver.
 
Head in the clouds thought: Wouldn’t hate adding Oleksiak. Need to address the goaltending first though. Otherwise the Avs are just treading water.
I thinks it's a good year to jump early on trades as the playoffs are all but set in the east and give or take a team in the west, don't think Calgary gets in , Blues.or Avs bump.the Flames out. The Kraken aren't making it. Oleksiak would be a good get. get him early before someone else does.
 
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I thinks it's a good year to jump early on trades as the playoffs are all but set in the east and give or take a team in the west, don't think Calgary gets in , Blues.or Avs bump.the Flames out. The Kraken aren't making it. Oleksiak would be a good get. get him early before someone else does.

Jumping on trades early isn’t really as much of a choice. It wasn’t really last year but overplaying the top guys allowed them to comfortably be in a playoff position. They also didn’t start out behind the 8 ball with injuries last year. McFarland is extremely stubborn though. While everyone sees the massive leaks and the need to address them early, there’s no reason to believe McFarland won’t be stubborn about waiting to the trade deadline.
 
I don't agree. Sure, no one can see the future but you can't seriously equate a random injury that can accidentally happen to ANY player to how Val dropped out of the playoffs the last 2 years? One is an unfortunate part of the game where his teammates say "ahh dammit" the other his teammates say "WTF did he just do?"

I really don't understand how anyone could really spin it the way you are right now.... is this for real? I mean it happened the first time against Seattle a series that we lost in Game #7 by 1 goal. You don't think a Top-6 forward the way he's able to perform in the playoffs COULD have been the difference between winning and losing that series?

Then he comes back and apparently - all is forgiven - and personally my thoughts were 'he's going to be awesome, he's gonna wanna make up for last year' and what does he do? The complete opposite, he f***ING BRITNEY SPEARS US and woops he does it AGAIN... and you point to lack of leadership for this team being in COMPLETE DISBELIEF that this selfish piece of shit could screw over what they have worked for all year AGAIN, 2 years in a row with the same f***ing bullshit???

There's no Mark Messier-Gordie Howe-Joe Sakic frankenstein NHL Captain monster that is going to make that entire team believe that 'hey, everything is fine'.

The whole Kadri argument holds no water for me. Just because he was traded here and ended winning the Cup on a team as deep as the Avs were in 2022, doesn't take away from any of the THREE playoff suspensions he had with the Leafs AND the Avs in the four years prior where he became unavailable to his team to continue to compete for the Cup. He didn't get suspended in the 2022 playoffs - it's a miracle ! Bravo ! Is that the standard now?

Finally, I feel like I'm the only one who can see Bruce Willis. WTF am I really the only one seeing MacKinnon's game gone from 'MVP Mack' to 'pre-Duchene Trade Mack' since November 15th ???

I don't think we're winning anything without MVP Mack.

Havent we already concluded that Seattle series was doomed for our team being injury ridden the whole year. If you wanna win the cup wont let a freaking Seattle series go to game-7.

And yeah last year we werent winning anything with Nuke or not. His was a beast but we know now why. Without the drugs yeah no possibility. Also Druin was injured before Nuke went out.

His damaged goods in trade value propably but his producing right now on the ice when half of our team is injured again. That all that matters right now. Our team is a mess at the moment so I wouldnt concentrate on Nuke..
 
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Jumping on trades early isn’t really as much of a choice. It wasn’t really last year but overplaying the top guys allowed them to comfortably be in a playoff position. They also didn’t start out behind the 8 ball with injuries last year. McFarland is extremely stubborn though. While everyone sees the massive leaks and the need to address them early, there’s no reason to believe McFarland won’t be stubborn about waiting to the trade deadline.
If you look at the non playoffs teams there isn't a whole lot out there Murphy, Oleksiak, Mayfield , Provorov, Ceci on D.

I agree CMac will wait which will drive the price up.
 
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