Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[Foppa2118]

C'mon guys - that's NICK HOLDEN.

You asked "Has any other NHLer ever been so beholden to their wife's career?"

Ah forget it - you humorless bastards !!!!

Keep beHolden on (the bench).

 

[EdAVSfan]

I think they can and they should.

Yes, he's very valuable and yes when he's in the lineup, he's very good.

At the same time, two years in a row - at the most important time of the year - he wasn't available to 'be very good for us' BY CHOICE.

It's very easy to say - if he screws up again, he's gone and sure - he'd be suspended without pay for an entire year with no guarantee of being reinstated (unless it would be for VGK, then it would only be a formality - wait, who am I kidding - if it was VGK he'd be able to snort as much as he wants without any testing whatsoever).

Look at it this way - you trade him now, maybe you get something that's not as good but something that you can count on next spring, all things being equal.

You wait and he screws up before the TDL - then you can use that cap space to get a rental but you have to give up assets in order to get something good to replace a Top-6 forward.

You wait and he screws up AFTER the TDL - then you get cap space but it's too late to use it and you're down a Top-6 Forward.

Not sure how many times this organization can get screwed over by the same guy but I'll be embarrassed if it's THREE YEARS IN A ROW.

I don’t know Bender. You’ve gone and made the assumption that you’d actually get something of value in return. What if it actually COSTS an asset to move him? Would you still do it.?

For all the reasons you listed as to how he’s a huge risk to us, he’s that same risk to everyone else. But there’s the added effect that if he screws up just one more time, first it’s a year long suspension with no guarantee of re-instatement so there’s actually a likelihood he would just bolt for the KHL at that point.
So you’re asking another team to give up an asset for someone who could derail their season at any time, and worse, have absolutely nothing to show for their traded asset with one more basic screw up.

I’m not seeing where there’s value to another team. I know why it makes sense for us. But im having an extremely difficult time seeing any reason why a team would PAY (even if it’s a small asset) to take on that level of risk. Not to mention the negative PR that Nuke brings with him.

 

[Foppa2118]

Dude should be a GM. Talk about asset management.

Given who she's with, she must be good at ass hat management too.

Ok I'm done....

 

[Toothless Legend]

Mike Fisher.

Left Ottawa and had no other choice but Nashville since his superstar country singer wife Carrie Underwood only wanted to go to Nashville.

When he was done in Nashville, he apparently wanted to keep playing either for another NHL team or if that wasn’t possible then in Europe. His wife said no and wanted him home with the kids.

Mike Fisher net worth - $25,000,000

Carrie Underwood net worth - $300,000,000

And lest we forget Carrie Fisher net worth (at time of death) - $25,000,000

 

[Pokecheque]

Yeah I don't think the Avs are trading Manson. These guys though :

- Georgiev​

- Nuke​

- Girard​

I think Sammy G has been pretty good for the most part this year but sometimes to get something good, you have to give something good as well.

If a Girard trade results in an overall upgrade on the team in some way, shape or form, then I'm all for it...HOWEVER, whether people want to admit it or not he is far and away the third best defenseman on the team, and on some nights due to Toews' gimpiness has been the second-best. You lose him, you'd better have a backup plan and it can't just be Malinski, much as I like the kid.

Their GM wasn't no angel either.

No, and he seems to be acting every bit the surly punk he was on the ice too.

 

[Pokecheque]

C'mon guys - that's NICK HOLDEN.

You asked "Has any other NHLer ever been so beholden to their wife's career?"

Ah forget it - you humorless bastards !!!!

Goddamn that name is so triggering on the number of levels.

First they gave him that stupid, stupid contract A FULL YEAR before his previous one expired, and he immediately didn't live up to it, and then he comes back and scores literally the worst goal any Avs goalie has given up--and that includes Roy's Statue of Liberty gaffe--in Avalanche postseason history. Will never, ever, ever forgive Grubauer for that one. Never.

 

[the_fan]

I think they can and they should.

Yes, he's very valuable and yes when he's in the lineup, he's very good.

At the same time, two years in a row - at the most important time of the year - he wasn't available to 'be very good for us' BY CHOICE.

It's very easy to say - if he screws up again, he's gone and sure - he'd be suspended without pay for an entire year with no guarantee of being reinstated (unless it would be for VGK, then it would only be a formality - wait, who am I kidding - if it was VGK he'd be able to snort as much as he wants without any testing whatsoever).

Look at it this way - you trade him now, maybe you get something that's not as good but something that you can count on next spring, all things being equal.

You wait and he screws up before the TDL - then you can use that cap space to get a rental but you have to give up assets in order to get something good to replace a Top-6 forward.

You wait and he screws up AFTER the TDL - then you get cap space but it's too late to use it and you're down a Top-6 Forward.

Not sure how many times this organization can get screwed over by the same guy but I'll be embarrassed if it's THREE YEARS IN A ROW.

You can’t go with the past. What if Val has recovered from whatever was going on with him and we trade him, he goes somewhere else and has a great career, helps another team win, meanwhile we traded him and didn’t replace him with anyone that good. It would be the dumbest thing this organization could do. You don’t trade Val. Give him one more chance and see what happens

 

[Bender]

I don’t know Bender. You’ve gone and made the assumption that you’d actually get something of value in return. What if it actually COSTS an asset to move him? Would you still do it.?

For all the reasons you listed as to how he’s a huge risk to us, he’s that same risk to everyone else. But there’s the added effect that if he screws up just one more time, first it’s a year long suspension with no guarantee of re-instatement so there’s actually a likelihood he would just bolt for the KHL at that point.
So you’re asking another team to give up an asset for someone who could derail their season at any time, and worse, have absolutely nothing to show for their traded asset with one more basic screw up.

I’m not seeing where there’s value to another team. I know why it makes sense for us. But im having an extremely difficult time seeing any reason why a team would PAY (even if it’s a small asset) to take on that level of risk. Not to mention the negative PR that Nuke brings with him.

You make some good points.

The way I look at it is, like this :

If a guy like Evgeny Kuznetsov can be traded to a team like the Carolina Hurricanes for a 3rd round pick (2025) - even if his salary is retained at 50%, I think Nuke has better value since Kuznetsov was absolutely underperforming when he was dealt [17 points in 43 games played]. He also had an extra year left on his contract which the canes luckily got out of by mutual termination.

Now absolutely there is some level of risk for the acquiring team but this is a high risk, high reward type of situation. As I mentioned before - if Nuke stays clean the acquiring team wins this deal hands down. So from the Avs perspective, you'd be looking at acquiring maybe a guy that's got some term left and maybe he's on his last or second to last 'kick at the can' so-to-speak.

I mentioned Kreider yesterday as a player who's going to be 34 next April and has $6.5M on his contract for this year and the next 2 after that.

So as a hypothetical, if the NYR would trade Kreider for Nuke and Nuke stays clean for the next 6 years - we lose that deal by a large margin. If he doesn't and gets suspended again, then they likely get $6.125M in cap space. I don't pretend to know if Drury would be ready to take on that kind of gamble or not - I don't really know what his plan is with that team or why his longest tenured player (Kreider) would even be available.

 

[Pokecheque]

You can’t go with the past. What if Val has recovered from whatever was going on with him and we trade him, he goes somewhere else and has a great career, helps another team win, meanwhile we traded him and didn’t replace him with anyone that good. It would be the dumbest thing this organization could do. You don’t trade Val. Give him one more chance and see what happens

No it's not, in fact it may end up being in everyone's best interest to part ways.

His return to the lineup was supposed to be a huge boost, and instead it's had the exact opposite effect. You can't tell me there isn't a huge schism in that room right now because they look completely disjointed now. It's not helping that Nuke himself hasn't really played well, last night's two-goal effort aside. I realize he needs time to get his legs back but at some point he needs to pick up the pace a little.

I don't think anyone trusts him, and he still hasn't really taken any responsibility for his actions (at least not publicly), so between that and the whole goalie mess this team is in huge turmoil. Something needs to be done. They've proven they can win without him, they haven't yet proven they can win consistently with him this year. And given what's happened to Nate's game since he came back, I think there's something that needs to be addressed by the organization, one way or another.

 

[Bender]

You can’t go with the past. What if Val has recovered from whatever was going on with him and we trade him, he goes somewhere else and has a great career, helps another team win, meanwhile we traded him and didn’t replace him with anyone that good. It would be the dumbest thing this organization could do. You don’t trade Val. Give him one more chance and see what happens

What if he hasn't ? What if he screws us over for a third time in a row at the very worst possible time?

For me that's 100% absolutely WAY DUMBER than trading him for something lesser but something that's still going to help you and for that assurance that you're not going to have to live through that again.

What's that saying 'fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me' - I don't even want to get into 'fool me thrice'.

I mean, I get it - he's a great player and he's even better come playoff time which is why I believe that there's probably a GM out there that's willing to roll the dice... but I think the Avs should be done with rolling the dice with this guy.

Put it this way - if Nuke screws the Avs over for 3 consecutive playoffs and wastes THREE YEARS of prime MacKinnon and Makar - what will we think back about this era in 5, 10 years - oh what could have been.

 

[the_fan]

No it's not, in fact it may end up being in everyone's best interest to part ways.

His return to the lineup was supposed to be a huge boost, and instead it's had the exact opposite effect. You can't tell me there isn't a huge schism in that room right now because they look completely disjointed now. It's not helping that Nuke himself hasn't really played well, last night's two-goal effort aside. I realize he needs time to get his legs back but at some point he needs to pick up the pace a little.

I don't think anyone trusts him, and he still hasn't really taken any responsibility for his actions (at least not publicly), so between that and the whole goalie mess this team is in huge turmoil. Something needs to be done. They've proven they can win without him, they haven't yet proven they can win consistently with him this year. And given what's happened to Nate's game since he came back, I think there's something that needs to be addressed by the organization, one way or another.

I don’t wannna get too much into this discussion, but I completely disagree with everything you said. Val literally won us the game vs Vegas, by scoring the only goal in regulation and tied the game, then the only goal in the shootout. He has 8 points in 10 games and will only get better as he plays more games. Avs being mediocre and a 500 team right now has nothing to do with Val. It has to do with bad goaltending and injuries.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

But...but HOW on earth will the trouba family be able to move on ???

His wife works in NY - there are probably NO other jobs in california... they have to somehow find a way to put food on the table.

Man, being a millionaire seems really, really hard.

I mean, it's fun and games to throw this as at a millionaire, but the truth of the matter is that these conditions were taken into account when Trouba and the NYR signed his contract. Drury used what amounts to a "loophole" to avoid honoring the spirit and intent of Trouba's contract. This idea of waiving a star player to bypass no-trade lists is bullshit and everyone knows it.

Honestly, I've done nothing but lose respect for Chris Drury since the day he became a GM. He really sucks at his job and is proving to be a real world class idiot to boot.

 

[The Moops]

Think about Val like this....

Kadri screwed the Leafs 2x in a row in the playoffs. He was a great player, but they still made the trade because they couldn't trust that he wouldn't do it again (he did, but it worked out okay in the end for us). Nuke is in a similar situation here, no matter how good he is, it's really hard to put any trust in him when you're in your contention window (if we still are)

I mean, it's fun and games to throw this as at a millionaire, but the truth of the matter is that these conditions were taken into account when Trouba and the NYR signed his contract. Drury used what amounts to a "loophole" to avoid honoring the spirit and intent of Trouba's contract. This idea of waiving a star player to bypass no-trade lists is bullshit and everyone knows it.

Honestly, I've done nothing but lose respect for Chris Drury since the day he became a GM. He really sucks at his job and is proving to be a real world class idiot to boot.

If we didn't want to have the possibility of going on waivers he should have gotten a NMC instead of a partial NTC though right?

 

[JLo217]

CMAC needs to do something ASAP.

Glad we got a cup in 22 and the stars aligned. He’s wasting his third season in a row by being slow as f***. If the Avs miss they need to let him go.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Think about Val like this....

Kadri screwed the Leafs 2x in a row in the playoffs. He was a great player, but they still made the trade because they couldn't trust that he wouldn't do it again (he did, but it worked out okay in the end for us). Nuke is in a similar situation here, no matter how good he is, it's really hard to put any trust in him when you're in your contention window (if we still are)


If we didn't want to have the possibility of going on waivers he should have gotten a NMC instead of a partial NTC though right?

Isn’t the Kadri trade a perfect example for why we shouldn’t trade Nuke?

 

[Avs_19]

 

[RoyIsALegend]

All this excitement and Montreal-Edmonton snuck in this little banger, too.

 

[Avs_19]

I'm warming up to the Gibson idea, @dahrougem2. I was against it before the season but this Georgiev thing can't continue.

 

[Hasbro]

Hope you’re not serious

6'8!

 

[Bender]

I mean, it's fun and games to throw this as at a millionaire, but the truth of the matter is that these conditions were taken into account when Trouba and the NYR signed his contract. Drury used what amounts to a "loophole" to avoid honoring the spirit and intent of Trouba's contract. This idea of waiving a star player to bypass no-trade lists is bullshit and everyone knows it.

Honestly, I've done nothing but lose respect for Chris Drury since the day he became a GM. He really sucks at his job and is proving to be a real world class idiot to boot.

To be fair, Drury didn't sign him to that contract in 2019, Jeff Gorton did.

At the same time, I don't think Drury is a good GM and I agree with you on what you said.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I'm warming up to the Gibson idea, @dahrougem2. I was against it before the season but this Georgiev thing can't continue.

He’s my #1 choice from the somewhat attainable or available dudes.

Simply because I know his ceiling is the highest of the lot and I firmly believe a move away from that shithouse organization could rejuvenate him.

 

[Pokecheque]

Isn’t the Kadri trade a perfect example for why we shouldn’t trade Nuke?

Not really, I think the damage was done there. Besides which, they decided as an organization that Tavares was going to be their 2C going forward, and Babcock wasn't being exorcised from the organization like he should've been at least a year earlier than he was, so...

Also, much as I get annoyed at all the extracurriculars in hockey, there is something to be said about sticking up for your f***ing teammates when they're getting continually roughed up by the opposition. One thing I noticed right away in the playoffs was when someone tried going after Kadri in 2022, Josh Manson was all over him, and I'm pretty sure the bullshit after the whistle stopped after that. That never happened in Toronto.

 

[Ceremony]

All this excitement and Montreal-Edmonton snuck in this little banger, too.

Hoefenmayer is about the most AHL name possible. Just needs to be called D.J. or something.

 

[hockeyfish]

I was hoping all three of Shesterkin, Rantanen, and Marner would make it to FA, make July 1st super special next year.

 

[Balthazar]