Boston Bruins 2024-2025 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion VI

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MarchysNoseKnows

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Ahh it wasn’t irrelevant when you felt the need to initially respond. It just became irrelevant when you realized you had nothing to back up your claim with.

It was extremely unprecedented to give a goalie with his resume $5m a year and a NMC.
It’s not.

How many UFA contracts for multiple years and $5M+ get no protection? That’s the relevant stat.

Or, just not sign him. Which is basically what you’re saying. Do you think Sweeney just tossed it in for fun?
 

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It’s not.

How many UFA contracts for multiple years and $5M+ get no protection? That’s the relevant stat.

Or, just not sign him. Which is basically what you’re saying. Do you think Sweeney just tossed it in for fun?

Lmao you just completely moved the goal posts of my topic and are trying to put words in my mouth.

Again par for the course with your little antics.
 

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Lmao you just completely moved the goal posts of my topic and are trying to put words in my mouth.

Again par for the course with your little antics.
How?

Here are the goalies with trade protection for 23-24. Which higher end goalies who are eligible are not on this list? Any?

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No that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying we should have signed him without the NMC.

Alright well then show me a list of goalies who got $5m+ with 34 or less career starts as a career high.

Korpisalo got a NTC and he had a career high of 37 starts, and played a few more seasons than Ullmark, although the numbers were far worse than Ullmark's numbers.

I still like the idea of David Perron.

Still a good player at his age. Still puts up decent numbers and is a bit of a greaseball.

A decent 1 year fall back I guess. No way do you invest any term into him
 

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How?

Here are the goalies with trade protection for 23-24. Which higher end goalies who are eligible are not on this list? Any?

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Because that has nothing to do with the question I posed and is incredibly off topic.

I asked how many goalies with a career high of 34 starts received $5m+ and/or a NMC.

If you are having trouble distinguishing between what I’m saying and what you are saying then idk how to help you besides telling you to ask someone near you to help you better understand
 

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I hope he ends up on the Leafs. You just know that the Toronto media will pump his tires like nobody's business prior to the start of the season.

TO fans and media would eat him alive.

Jake may be many things, but unless it's absolutely crazy money, being stupid enough to sign with the Leafs isn't one of them.

He's gone regardless. A very good player when he wants to be. I wish him well.
 
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MarchysNoseKnows

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Because that has nothing to do with the question I posed and is incredibly off topic.

I asked how many goalies with a career high of 34 starts received $5m+ and/or a NMC.

If you are having trouble distinguishing between what I’m saying and what you are saying then idk how to help you besides telling you to ask someone near you to help you better understand
What I’m saying is the number of starts tied to trade protection is irrelevant, though Joel debunked you above.

Trade protection ties to salary and term. If you didn’t want to give him trade protection you’re not signing him. Look at that list.
 

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What I’m saying is the number of starts tied to trade protection is irrelevant, though Joel debunked you above.

Trade protection ties to salary and term. If you didn’t want to give him trade protection you’re not signing him. Look at that list.

idk what to tell you. You are struggling with reading comprehension here.
 

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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice……

He left his teammates high and dry in middle of playoff run two years in a row. That’s extraordinary.

That said, he’s a talent, so you never know. If he finds a way back he’s probably looking at League minimum and getting tested every day of the week and twice on PO game days.

No.

No, no, no.

Go back to f***ing Russia.
 
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idk what to tell you. You are struggling with reading comprehension here.
I’m not lol. You are including “starts” as a qualifier. It’s money - $2.5M UFAs don’t often get trade protection. 4x$5M gets you trade protection every single time.
 
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. It's crazy to say that Linus Ullmark has great value and can get back 12th ov and a good player or prospect NOW, but boy a year from now when he plays 30 games teams would be like "Who was that G that won the Vezina on Boston a couple years ago???? Can't remember his name..."

I pointed to a couple of examples like Husso and Darling who had 1/10 of the resume of Ullmark and got huge pay raises in UFA based on a small number of starts.
I agree in general. But goalie values swing a lot. Partly because most teams generally want a true #1 (emphasis on generally - Boston this year as a notable outlier). That means that at any given time the market for trades or UFA contracts is contingent upon what teams are looking. Which, again, changes often.

Again, in general, I would think a goalie who is looking for a new UFA deal would want to have a big year. If Boston signs Sway to a big deal I would have to think the Bruins will want him to be the guy, and to show that he can shoulder a heavy load during the season and maybe all of the playoffs. Ergo, I think it could easily be the case if we end up with both Sway and Ullmark (for just one year) they’ll put the emphasis on playing Swayman most of the time. And while that wouldn’t crush Ullmark’s value, it wouldn’t bolster it either.

If Ullmark wants a big deal now, or at UFA, he’d be better off being the guy wherever he plays and to play well.

On the other hand, if Ullmark stays here, doesn’t get a ton of playing time, he’s going to have to be lights out when he plays. If not, that will hurt his value.
 

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Korpisalo got a NTC and he had a career high of 37 starts, and played a few more seasons than Ullmark, although the numbers were far worse than Ullmark's numbers.



A decent 1 year fall back I guess. No way do you invest any term into him

I would imagine that’s the closest to ullmarks situation we will get but still not quite there. Regardless it’s still unprecedented.
 

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I really see Linus holding firm and coming back for his final year. I like the guy and understand but maybe Donny learned a lesson about NTC

I don't.

He has to be moved. He has to accept being moved. He will be moved.

Not that this concern is anywhere near the top of his list, but at present Linus Ullmark is a beloved figure to Bruins fans.

That would change in a hurry if he is perceived to be, ah, an "ingrate" selfishly standing in the way of team improvement.

Boston fans are reasonable people.
 
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I think they would keep the pick and look to deal Chychrun + prospect (Merkulov or Lysell) ?
im Carolina you aren’t getting Necas for Chychrun & merk or Lysell

12 & Chychrun or enjoy him playing with Suzuki & Caufield
 
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I’m not lol. You are including “starts” as a qualifier. It’s money - $2.5M UFAs don’t often get trade protection. 4x$5M gets you trade protection every single time.

Yes I am aware. I’m saying he should have never got $5m based off his previous resume. Therefore he should have never got the NMC either.

What is so hard to understand?

So back to one of my original two questions you keep dancing around.

How many goalies were given $5m AAV with equal or less start than Ullmark?
 

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I understand some folks have concerns that the top 4 you listed will take up too much cap space. I’d be happy if the Bruins sacrificed cap space elsewhere to put that group on the ice.

Likely the best Bruins defense in many years. And with Swayman in net they will keep the Bruins near the top of the NHL.
Absolutely. Give me the option of spending “too much” on Goalie and D versus up front, I go Goalie and D every single day.
 
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Yes I am aware. I’m saying he should have never got $5m based off his previous resume. Therefore he should have never got the NMC either.

What is so hard to understand?



Yes I am aware. I’m saying he should have never got $5m based off his previous resume. Therefore he should have never got the NMC either.

What is so hard to understand?
Jesus Christ Rico. Bitching about a deal that ended up providing serious surplus value? Saying it’s “bad management”? That’s really, really good management.
 

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Just like the shit kicking I took with this one, and then when it happened, silence.


Some people just don't get how it works and I am tired of it. I'm going on 63, not in the best health and should probably enjoy my time rather then dealing with it
We appreciate whatever you do share with us Dom and of course no one holds you to that, sometimes deals happen and sometimes they fall through. Don't let a few people get you down, there are far more here that appreciate you.
 

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Is Toronto using a different salary cap than the rest of the league, or do GM's just become stupid as soon as they get hired there?

46 million on 4 forwards next year.

Marner will probably get 11/12 on his extension, so the year after (When Tavares 10 million goes away) they'll still have 36 tied up on 3 forwards.

Jake will make 6 minimum, so that's 42 on 4 forwards and their entire defense sucks, including Rielly, the most overrated player in the NHL.. So, they'll also need at least 2 legit defensemen and a couple of forwards.

They'll never win.

You say that like it is a bad thing :laugh:

I hope the Maple Leafs keep doing stupid shit like this forever.
 

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Yesterday was fun with all the moves and "leaks". NHL must have clamped down because today is booooorrriiinnggg. These finals are dragging. Games are great but the delay before game 1 has made this drag on to long.
Probably so. Vast majority of fans are full into paying attention to draft, pending UFA’s, and trade prospects over tonight’s G6.

Gary has no one to blame for that but himself. Playing the finals of the SC far into June is foolish.
 
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