Boston Bruins 2024-2025 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion VI

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Look, if this was some goalie making 8-9 million, I'd have a different viewpoint on it. Now your talking a significant impact player, an elite level player.

But what you are getting on with here is splitting hairs. The rosters the past 3 seasons had significant issues in terms of being built for the playoffs. Built great for the regular season, but playoffs, not so much. There is/was issues with the overall composition of the entire roster. It goes beyond just one mid-level salaried player. And if we are talking cap management, there were dollars being spent far more egregiously in Boston than what was spent on Ullmark over that timeframe.

To answer your question, No, I don't think the outcome of any of the past 3 playoff years is any different whatsoever if Ullmark had not been here and some of that $5 million allocated to another skater.

Re: bolded

Carolina series came down to game 7, Florida series 1.0 came down to G7 OT.

It’s not unreasonable to think a better depth player could have been the difference.

 

[sarge88]

this afternoon good time for Sweendawg to drop the Ullmark trade

Just have Tatum or Brown announce it at the end of their speech.

Two birds with one stone.

 

[BruinDust]

Re: bolded

Carolina series came down to game 7, Florida series 1.0 came down to G7 OT.

It’s not unreasonable to think a better depth player could have been the difference.

You are putting too much stock in one depth/mid-level player on an 18-man roster.

They call elite players difference makers for a reason. It's the horses that get you there.

 

[DKH]

Probably after the parade

I also think there will be something else along with the pick. Even just getting our pick back would be great though. There has to be a premium to trade within the division. Sweeney won’t budge Ullmarks value and Staios (sp?) won’t budge on getting his no1.

Yup I started ‘it would be great to just get out first back’

Now I’m trending to Brady Tkachuk and the 7OA haha

 

[Gee Wally]

If that was enough to get him to stop posting on an Internet forum idk how he survives leaving the house everyday.

It’s not that big of deal. Nothing that was posted was particularly critical.

Dom does say a lot of things. Some stuff ends up not being true(through no fault of his), some stuff just never comes to fruition, and some stuff is spot on.

Just because Dom says something doesn’t mean it’s solid gold and set in stone. It’s not a conversation ender. It can be questioned and debated.

Nobody is above that unless Sweeney starts posting here sharing inside info

While what you are saying is accurate there are some here that can not understand or comprehend the difference from ‘here’s what Im hearing’ to ‘this will happen’.

They make it a personal attack . Same as has been done to other vetted insiders over the years.

That wont be tolerated. No way. No how.

 

[Hookslide]

I say it's a package of chychrun and Forsberg for linus. Book it!

Bruins should not need to take Forsberg.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

While what you are saying is accurate there are some here that can not understand or comprehend the difference from ‘here’s what Im hearing’ to ‘this will happen’.

They make it a personal attack . Same as has been done to other vetted insiders over the years.

That wont be tolerated. No way. No how.

Yea definitely agree here. The information being shared is coming from a legit source. I don't question that and I have seen your posts in the past that they are vetted. That's beyond debate.

But it is possible, and IIRC it has happened where the info being passed ended up being untrue(not doms fault) or the pieces didn't fall into place. None of that should be used as an attack against Dom. That would be a fundamental misunderstanding of what Dom is doing when he shares what he can. Dom isn't on the conference call as deals are being hashed out.

But my point is, just because Dom says something, doesn't mean that should shutdown a conversation. It could be bad info being passed, or whatever deal details are shared ends up falling through.

 

[ODAAT]

But if you feel that way why do you give a shit?

There are a LOT of people on this Board who really appreciate what Dom has to say on any number of things. If you don't that's fine. But just stay the f*** out of it. Seriously, if you think it's not worthy of consideration, move along.

Frankly, and I mean this without being a dick, Dom's opinion is much more valuable to me than yours. That doesn't mean I think you shouldn't post - not at all. Just asking you not to antagonize someone who undoubtedly has many more contacts and information than you or I - and is willing to share it.

Ask Wally for the list of informed people who used to post on these Boards but no longer find it worth the effort if a bunch of anonymous posters are going to say "if they can't take it, how do they even leave the house" as an excuse to post their own "nothing burgers".

great post, I`ve had Dom rip me more than a few times for my views and he`s right more often than not for doing so. Doesn`t mean I suddenly have a disdain for him, he`s forgotten more than I know about the game and as you stated, clearly has sources inside none of us come close to having

I don`t necessarily agree with everything Dom says, but there`s little doubt he is one of, if not, the most informed person on this forum

 

[Number8]

Yea definitely agree here. The information being shared is coming from a legit source. I don't question that and I have seen your posts in the past that they are vetted. That's beyond debate.

But it is possible, and IIRC it has happened where the info being passed ended up being untrue(not doms fault) or the pieces didn't fall into place. None of that should be used as an attack against Dom.

But my point is, just because Dom says something, doesn't mean that should shutdown a conversation. It could be bad info being passed, or whatever deal details are shared ends up falling through.

All of that is fair and I agree.

But where did the "nothing burger" come in? You have to put yourself in the shoes of someone who has more contacts, experience, and interaction with scouts than your or I (I presume, apologies if not the case).

I don't know what you do for a job, but imagine an anonymous poster without any experience in your field commented that your opinion or input in that arena was the equivalent of a "nothing burger". My guess is you'd find it irritating and if it happened enough would say, "screw it, not worth my time" to converse.

Which, by the way, is much different than being so fragile as to not be able to step out of your house. Words and how they are used matter. Maybe it sometimes seems not to be the case in this often shitty internet world, but they do.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

You are putting too much stock in one depth/mid-level player on an 18-man roster.

They call elite players difference makers for a reason. It's the horses that get you there.

I'm not though. Long history of NHL playoff series decided by one depth guy deciding to go off in a pivotal game. If two teams are evenly matched, it can be a depth piece that makes the difference.

Max Talbot dropped 2 goals in a game 7.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

All of that is fair and I agree.

But where did the "nothing burger" come in? You have to put yourself in the shoes of someone who has more contacts, experience, and interaction with scouts than your or I (I presume, apologies if not the case).

I don't know what you do for a job, but imagine an anonymous poster without any experience in your field commented that your opinion or input in that arena was the equivalent of a "nothing burger". My guess is you'd find it irritating and if it happened enough would say, "screw it, not worth my time" to converse.

Which, by the way, is much different than being so fragile as to not be able to step out of your house. Words and how they are used matter. Maybe it sometimes seems not to be the case in this often shitty internet world, but they do.

I think this is where you are having a misunderstanding.

The "nothing burger" post I made was not about Dom or his work.

 

[ranold26]

this afternoon good time for Sweendawg to drop the Ullmark trade

I agree.
Get it over with and get one thing decent.
It’s a Friday.
The cup could be awarded tonight.
Next week announce a Swayman extension.
Get active at the draft.
Have cap room for free agency.
Leeeeets gooo.

 

[jkutswings]

Hypothetical: Detroit enters the Ullmark sweepstakes and offers 2024 #15 overall (assuming an extension could be reached at some point).

1) Do you think that either the player or the team would be willing to deal with the Wings?
2) If so, and some sort of prospect would need to be added, what level/position is a realistic preference?

I think he'd make a fantastic addition to the Wings while they wait for Cossa to be ready. Just seeing if there's any chance at a deal with a division rival.

 

[BruinDust]

I'm not though. Long history of NHL playoff series decided by one depth guy deciding to go off in a pivotal game. If two teams are evenly matched, it can be a depth piece that makes the difference.

Max Talbot dropped 2 goals in a game 7.

How do you know you even get there? Saying they'd win those Game 7s if you substitute this guy for that guy makes it sound like the guy being replaced did nothing positive in the series to get the Bruins to a Game 7. The gap between Player X and the new Player Y when your talking 3-4 millon isn't that big. These are all NHL caliber players.

If this was a true difference maker, a primary scorer or top pair D-man, I can see the argument. But that isn't what we're are talking about here.

 

[the negotiator]

The quiet period between getting eliminated and the draft/ free agent period is not only boring but brings out a multitude of " are you kidding me" trade suggestions

I tend to read through quickly and not get involved.....would rather wait until we have something concrete to discuss

Meanwhile anyone who disses Dom gets the ignore button ....I am tired of knowledgeable posters leaving because of the crap they get

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I know Dom's not a fan of me but I would never disrespect him or his input to this site. I hope he stay on the ship with the rest of the fringe.

In my view, and its always been for the 20 years I have been posting here that most of the stuff that gets posted here is just argumentative speculation when it comes to player movement.

Its a venting space for winning and losing for Bruins hockey games not so much to be used to find out things before anyone else outside of the board.

I piss people off so what they piss me off as well, regardless of this I would still sit and have a drink and talk Bruins with any and every poster I have come across on HF.

Good times ahead let's enjoy it with everyone on board.

Ok I need a another coffee, its hard for me to sound smart.

 

[DominicT]

If that was enough to get him to stop posting on an Internet forum idk how he survives leaving the house everyday.

It’s not that big of deal. Nothing that was posted was particularly critical.

Dom does say a lot of things. Some stuff ends up not being true(through no fault of his), some stuff just never comes to fruition, and some stuff is spot on.

Just because Dom says something doesn’t mean it’s solid gold and set in stone. It’s not a conversation ender. It can be questioned and debated.

Nobody is above that unless Sweeney starts posting here sharing inside info

LMFAO

My issue isn't with the post you are referring too. My issue is with your post.

Any time someone makes a a post like the OP did, you respond with Krejci in 2021. How many times do you have to bring that up?

Which by the way, was not my news. It came from the most respected poster ever on these boards that stopped posting here, who later wrote an apology to Bruins fans on Twitter for the incorrect info. I just brought it to HF.

*Doing my best Matthew's impression...

What's the name on the jersey? Is that Gonzo the clown?

 

[dugg133]

Hypothetical: Detroit enters the Ullmark sweepstakes and offers 2024 #15 overall (assuming an extension could be reached at some point).

1) Do you think that either the player or the team would be willing to deal with the Wings?
2) If so, and some sort of prospect would need to be added, what level/position is a realistic preference?

I think he'd make a fantastic addition to the Wings while they wait for Cossa to be ready. Just seeing if there's any chance at a deal with a division rival.

Bruins are already talking with an in-division team with the Sens, so I don't see why they'd be unwilling to deal with the Wings.

Not sure what level of prospect would need to be added in addition to the pick, but I think one would need to be added based on some of the reports out there rn. Sweeney knows he has a valuable asset in ullmark and has a high asking price. And this draft isn't supposed to be super deep, so idk how valuable picks outside the top 10 really are this season.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Bruins are already talking with an in-division team with the Sens, so I don't see why they'd be unwilling to deal with the Wings.

Not sure what level of prospect would need to be added in addition to the pick, but I think one would need to be added based on some of the reports out there rn. Sweeney knows he has a valuable asset in ullmark and has a high asking price. And this draft isn't supposed to be super deep, so idk how valuable picks outside the top 10 really are this season.

Agree with this and to honest I don't consider the wings a rival, I would trade Linus to the Habs if that would make us a better team.

That's what trades are about, making us better and if that helps the other team as well so be it.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I just can’t believe this chatter around Ullmark for a top 10 pick. Rare for goaltender returns. The 25th overall is unimpressive because the draft gurus suggest this draft class isn’t spectacular. Almost better off asking for a 2025 1st (assuming a hockey trade can’t be made)

 

[IveGotToBeMe]

I’m really hoping that Sweeney is targeting a viable player to immediately plug in to the lineup and not just draft picks. While I know the draft pick cupboard is bare, this draft is lean on talent and the roster needs help now not in three years.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I just can’t believe this chatter around Ullmark for a top 10 pick. Rare for goaltender returns. The 25th overall is unimpressive because the draft gurus suggest this draft class isn’t spectacular. Almost better off asking for a 2025 1st (assuming a hockey trade can’t be made)

I love that idea

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

LMFAO

My issue isn't with the post you are referring too. My issue is with your post.

Any time someone makes a a post like the OP did, you respond with Krejci in 2021. How many times do you have to bring that up?

Which by the way, was not my news. It came from the most respected poster ever on these boards that stopped posting here, who later wrote an apology to Bruins fans on Twitter for the incorrect info. I just brought it to HF.

*Doing my best Matthew's impression...

What's the name on the jersey? Is that Gonzo the clown?

Bolded circles back to the original point I was making when talking about the "Dom says a lot of things" comment. Nothing I posted was an attack on you. Not sure why you are getting so defensive. Not sure how many ways I can say that I understand what it is you do and info being incorrect isn't your fault. The bolded above is you citing a specific example that supports my point.

Player Discussion - Your roster changes for next year V

It all comes down to arbitration or not for Ritchie. On a decent deal he’s a keeper, but his numbers last year and his role as the big guy can get him some nice $. Hopefully he pays more attention to the fans that voted him 7th player than he does to those who post in here. I don’t care much for...

forums.hfboards.com

Again, nothing but respect for what you do. I appreciate the perspective you bring to all things Bruins.

 

[Hookslide]

If that was enough to get him to stop posting on an Internet forum idk how he survives leaving the house everyday.

It’s not that big of deal. Nothing that was posted was particularly critical.

Dom does say a lot of things. Some stuff ends up not being true(through no fault of his), some stuff just never comes to fruition, and some stuff is spot on.

Just because Dom says something doesn’t mean it’s solid gold and set in stone. It’s not a conversation ender. It can be questioned and debated.

Nobody is above that unless Sweeney starts posting here sharing inside info

Can we stop all this Dom bullshit, Knowledgeable guy especially with the salary cap, which helps me because I am a total dumb ass when it comes to the cap, but lets move on there are many good posters on this site, if Dom wants to leave so be it, his right. In his defense no one gets everything right all the time and if he has inside info great if he passes it on. But some of you guys act like the sun rises and sets on this guy, sorry I am too old for hero worshiping.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Bolded circles back to the original point I was making when talking about the "Dom says a lot of things" comment. Nothing I posted was an attack on you. Not sure why you are getting so defensive. Not sure how many ways I can say that I understand what it is you do and info being incorrect isn't your fault. The bolded above is you citing a specific example that supports my point.

Player Discussion - Your roster changes for next year V

It all comes down to arbitration or not for Ritchie. On a decent deal he’s a keeper, but his numbers last year and his role as the big guy can get him some nice $. Hopefully he pays more attention to the fans that voted him 7th player than he does to those who post in here. I don’t care much for...

forums.hfboards.com

Again, nothing but respect for what you do. I appreciate the perspective you bring to all things Bruins.

Not sure what you are hoping to accomplish but it's not working. Just stop