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Any updates on Puutio in Liiga?

Does anybody here watch Sweden2? Jansson (our 2022 4th round pick) seem to be producing well there but I'm wondering how he looks IRL and how his defence is progressing. Any chances he will be promoted to the SHL?
 

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Briefly checked out stats of both the Panthers WHL prospects taken in the 2022 draft: Alscher (rd3 #93) & Davies (rd6 #186). Both are having good statistical seasons. Alscher is more of a big stay at home crease clearing defenseman, so his points won't necessarily jump off the page at you.

Panthers didn't have high picks in the 2022 Draft, but so far so good. Other than their true six round pick, the goalie Muszelik who plays for the University of New Hampshire in NCAA, seems like everyone taken in that draft is off to a good start this year.

Any updates on Puutio in Liiga?

Does anybody here watch Sweden2? Jansson (our 2022 4th round pick) seem to be producing well there but I'm wondering how he looks IRL and how his defence is progressing. Any chances he will be promoted to the SHL?
Jansson is the only prospect from the '22 draft class I have not been updated on this year. I don't do European prospects really.
 
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Briefly checked out stats of both the Panthers WHL prospects taken in the 2022 draft: Alscher (rd3 #93) & Davies (rd6 #186). Both are having good statistical seasons. Alscher is more of a big stay at home crease clearing defenseman, so his points won't necessarily jump off the page at you.

Panthers didn't have high picks in the 2022 Draft, but so far so good. Other than their true six round pick, the goalie Muszelik who plays for the University of New Hampshire in NCAA, seems like everyone taken in that draft is off to a good start this year.


Jansson is the only prospect from the '22 draft class I have not been updated on this year. I don't do European prospects really.
Not too worried about Muszelik: the other goalie is 5 years older than him!

The guy that's impressed me the most: Kai Schwindt. Went from a .25 point per game player last season to .72 point . He's on a good team but good upwards progress for a big body, especially given that he lost a season to the pandemic.
 

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Briefly checked out stats of both the Panthers WHL prospects taken in the 2022 draft: Alscher (rd3 #93) & Davies (rd6 #186). Both are having good statistical seasons. Alscher is more of a big stay at home crease clearing defenseman, so his points won't necessarily jump off the page at you.

Panthers didn't have high picks in the 2022 Draft, but so far so good. Other than their true six round pick, the goalie Muszelik who plays for the University of New Hampshire in NCAA, seems like everyone taken in that draft is off to a good start this year.


Jansson is the only prospect from the '22 draft class I have not been updated on this year. I don't do European prospects really.
Respectfully, and I love the reports you do on our prospects, but I wouldn't call Alscher's and Davies' seasons "statistically good" - so far, they have plenty of time to turn it around obviously.

Alscher is 5th on his team in points by defencemen; he is 66th among all WHL Dmen (54th if we remove the 20+ year old overagers). I did some research a few years back and essentially, if your D prospect isn't producing reasonably well even as a "defensive defenceman", then he's not going to make it - at best, he might become a fringe n.7/AHL call-up.

Looking at some guys who played in the WHL:
From 2010/11 (guys ca. 27-31 years old), there are currently 14 defencemen who played in the NHL this season. Only 2 out of 14 produced at under 0.5 ppg in their Draft+1 season (or what should have been their Draft+1 season) and made it: Brenden Dillon and Joel Edmunson. I guess the bright side is that they're both big guys (6'4 and 6'5; Alscher is 6'3), but that's still not a lot.

From 2013/14 (to lessen the overlap of guys; guys ca. 24-28), there are currently 14 defencemen who played in the NHL this season. Again, only 2/14 of them produced less than 0.5 .ppg in their draft+1 year: Hayden Fleury, who's a fringe NHL guy, and Noah Juulsen, who is barely even that. (They're 6'3 and 6'2, so again there's the size element in Alscher's advantage, but that's about it).

As for Davies and forwards, it's even bleaker. He is currently 108th in points among WHL forwards, 7th in points on his team. If I look back again a bit:
There are 19 guys from 2013/14 currently in the NHL; 17 played in the WHL after being drafted. Only five of them didn't produce at a .ppg pace in the WHL in their draft+1 year, and two of those five missed that .ppg cut-off by 1 and 3 points respectively. The remaining three are Beck Malenstyn (who??? exactly), our old friend Dryden Hunt, and Jujhar Khaira, the only of the three who has carved a somewhat stable position in the NHL; he's also 6'4.

I'm not going to go looking at other years, but the rough rule for the WHL is that you want at least a .ppg production in the Draft+1 year, or the NHL chances are very slim. Add that Davies is tiny (just 5'9) and it's not very promising right now (though he's played 13 games; he could get hot the rest of the season, finish at 100+ points and make this whole post moot).
 

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Respectfully, and I love the reports you do on our prospects, but I wouldn't call Alscher's and Davies' seasons "statistically good" - so far, they have plenty of time to turn it around obviously.

Alscher is 5th on his team in points by defencemen; he is 66th among all WHL Dmen (54th if we remove the 20+ year old overagers). I did some research a few years back and essentially, if your D prospect isn't producing reasonably well even as a "defensive defenceman", then he's not going to make it - at best, he might become a fringe n.7/AHL call-up.

Looking at some guys who played in the WHL:
From 2010/11 (guys ca. 27-31 years old), there are currently 14 defencemen who played in the NHL this season. Only 2 out of 14 produced at under 0.5 ppg in their Draft+1 season (or what should have been their Draft+1 season) and made it: Brenden Dillon and Joel Edmunson. I guess the bright side is that they're both big guys (6'4 and 6'5; Alscher is 6'3), but that's still not a lot.

From 2013/14 (to lessen the overlap of guys; guys ca. 24-28), there are currently 14 defencemen who played in the NHL this season. Again, only 2/14 of them produced less than 0.5 .ppg in their draft+1 year: Hayden Fleury, who's a fringe NHL guy, and Noah Juulsen, who is barely even that. (They're 6'3 and 6'2, so again there's the size element in Alscher's advantage, but that's about it).

As for Davies and forwards, it's even bleaker. He is currently 108th in points among WHL forwards, 7th in points on his team. If I look back again a bit:
There are 19 guys from 2013/14 currently in the NHL; 17 played in the WHL after being drafted. Only five of them didn't produce at a .ppg pace in the WHL in their draft+1 year, and two of those five missed that .ppg cut-off by 1 and 3 points respectively. The remaining three are Beck Malenstyn (who??? exactly), our old friend Dryden Hunt, and Jujhar Khaira, the only of the three who has carved a somewhat stable position in the NHL; he's also 6'4.

I'm not going to go looking at other years, but the rough rule for the WHL is that you want at least a .ppg production in the Draft+1 year, or the NHL chances are very slim. Add that Davies is tiny (just 5'9) and it's not very promising right now (though he's played 13 games; he could get hot the rest of the season, finish at 100+ points and make this whole post moot).
Like I said, I only briefly looked at their stats. Maybe I shouldn't have said their statistically good this season. I don't know that much about The W. I stick to the O and the NCAA. That's what I like.

Even if the Panthers get one or two players from this draft, I think that's really good, considering they didn't pick until the 3rd round.
 

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Vilmanis scored again last night in Sarnia 6-2 loss in Owen Sound.
He has seven points in his latest four game point streak. The big Latvian Winger has now moved himself into the Top Line. Not too bad for a 5th round pick this past draft by the Panthers.
 

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Samo had 3 assists at one point, then 1+2, now 1+1. Point being this kid is our best prospect and who cares not having a first round pick. This kid is a stud.
He's playing on an extremely stacked Michigan team with top3 2023 prospect Adam Fantilli. That said, it's still a very impressive production and bodes well for his future.
 

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Samo had 3 assists at one point, then 1+2, now 1+1. Point being this kid is our best prospect and who cares not having a first round pick. This kid is a stud.

Said it before… Us going back-to-back-to-back with Knight, Lundell and Mackie really allowed Zito to trade his first-rounders with confidence.

It‘s pretty rare for a team to make a great selection three years in a row in the first-round !

In 2-3 years time, when all three will play in the NHL with their potential and them still being under-24 years-old, fans won‘t care that we didn’t pick in the first-round from 22-to-25 !

Samoskevich is a STUD.
 

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Said it before… Us going back-to-back-to-back with Knight, Lundell and Mackie really allowed Zito to trade his first-rounders with confidence.

It‘s pretty rare for a team to make a great selection three years in a row in the first-round !

In 2-3 years time, when all three will play in the NHL with their potential and them still being under-24 years-old, fans won‘t care that we didn’t pick in the first-round from 22-to-25 !

Samoskevich is a STUD.
One thing we really need to hit on is Nause. If he becomes a top 4 guy we will be chilling.
 

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One thing we really need to hit on is Nause. If he becomes a top 4 guy we will be chilling.

Exactly but it doesn’t have to be Nause even if I love his potential…

If we can have two depths guys or three coming out of those first-round-less drafts, we will be chilling !

But that’s always true, you can’t rely on your first-rounders only.
 
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Vilmanis scored again last night in Sarnia 6-2 loss in Owen Sound.
He has seven points in his latest four game point streak. The big Latvian Winger has now moved himself into the Top Line. Not too bad for a 5th round pick this past draft by the Panthers.


Make it a five game point streak for Vilmanis. He had the game tying goal late in the third, despite the Sarnia loss to Saginaw 4-3 in overtime last night.
 

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Make it a five game point streak for Vilmanis. He had the game tying goal late in the third, despite the Sarnia loss to Saginaw 4-3 in overtime last night.

Very solid production after his first few mostly quiet OHL games by Vilmanis. Way too soon but right now he probably looks like the most promising from our 2022 draft. If we get even 1-2 decent NHL guys from that draft, it'd be a big success with our lack of high picks.
 

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Very solid production after his first few mostly quiet OHL games by Vilmanis. Way too soon but right now he probably looks like the most promising from our 2022 draft. If we get even 1-2 decent NHL guys from that draft, it'd be a big success with our lack of high picks.
Yes, still very early in the season for him.
His first eight games this year he only got points in two of them. His next nine games he got points in seven of nine.
Remember, the big Latvian Winger has come overseas for this, so everything is foreign to him most likely.
 

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Yes, still very early in the season for him.
His first eight games this year he only got points in two of them. His next nine games he got points in seven of nine.
Remember, the big Latvian Winger has come overseas for this, so everything is foreign to him most likely.
Yeah, that was my point - he's still getting used to the league, unlike the rest of the guys who've been there for a while. If anything, it's promising that he has started producing so soon after making the transition.
 

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