2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

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I still think lots of smoke, but no real fire. Feels a lot like last year. But for fun, I’ll play along.

To Avs: Schenn ($1 million retained), Faksa (50% retained), Jiricek
To Blues: Middlestadt, Calum Ritchie, 2025 2nd, 2025 4th

To NJ: Buchnevich
To STL: Tatar (salary dump), 2025 2nd, 2025 3rd

Neighbours - Thomas - Bolduc
Holloway - Middlestadt - Kyrou
Joseph - Dvorsky - Ritchie/Snuggerud
Toro - Walker - Texier
Alexandrov (or some other AHL guy)

Dump one of Faulk/Leddy over the summer.


I think I would counter with:

Schenn to Jersey for Nemec

Or

Schenn to Winnipeg for Salomonsson

Or

Schenn to Vancouver for Wallinder

Or

Schenn to Columbus for Mateychuk


Buchnevich to Buffalo for Byram


At least those are the base of the deals. One thing that should be in play, depending on the return, is the Blues first round pick.
 
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I think I would counter with:

Schenn to Jersey for Nemec
Not sure Schenn would be enough to land Nemec. I think they would be looking for someone with more offense like Buch.
Or

Schenn to Winnipeg for Salomonsson
I actually really like this idea and think it is fair value for Schenn, maybe a add from Winnipeg side if a bidding war starts.
Or

Schenn to Vancouver for Wallinder
As much as I would like Willander I have not seen any noise about the Canucks putting him on the table. I have been trying to will him (no pun intended) to St. Louis but not sure its in the cards.
Or

Schenn to Columbus for Mateychuk
After trading away Jiricek I doubt they are in a hurry to trade away another young cost controlled defenseman.
Buchnevich to Buffalo for Byram
I would like to add Byram but with our organizational depth at LHD I think this would fall more into a want than a need.
At least those are the base of the deals. One thing that should be in play, depending on the return, is the Blues first round pick.
 
Sorry to be so blunt, but I hate both of those deals.

That's a terrible return for Buchnevich. Bad contract or not. Talk about selling low.

I also would hate to help the Avs in any way, shape, or form right now and if Jiricek ends up being a top pairing D-man, you just helped keep their Cup window open for 5-10 more years.
Not too blunt and zero offense taken. I just don’t think Buch has much value after his performance this season. The time to maximize his value was last year. With regards to the Avs, not sure Schenn and Faksa help them in the short run when we still aren’t competitive.

And finally, I’m ready for the hate, but I don’t think Jiricek becomes a top pairing Dman, little less a Top 4. He gives me that horrible feeling in my gut of Peru. He’s obviously got much more size, but he has an intriguing skillset, flashes of greatness, lots of hype, but showing early to be extremely frail. Hated that pick at the time and personally, would include him in a trade if it netted more assets.

Feel free to fire away, as based on everyone’s comments, I’m not very good at this trade thing either!! 😂😂
 
I’d hate to trade Juricek until I know what we have in him. It’s not even fair to have an opinion of him yet. Let’s see him play a healthy 50 games first…. And hopefully that happens next year.
Always appreciate your posts. I did have to chuckle though, as the highlighted sentence above is EXACTLY what I saw posted about Perunovich for every year, for 4 years, like clockwork. Even this year, there were posts about him finally breaking out (at age 26), and it lasted all of about 7 games before he was on the bench again and eventually traded for essentially nothing. The parallels are just eerily similar to me. For his sake, I hope you are right though, but I'm scarred and scared for how that turns out.
 
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Buch absolutely has had a subpar year, but giving him away would cause more issues then it helps. We absolutely still need top 6 talent in this lineup if we want any chance of competing these next 3 years. The alleged Buch decline is more than likely just a bad year following a failed trial at center. Dude is still only 29 years-old. Shipping him out for peanuts would be a huge mistake, he will rebound next year and at worst be a 60pt player the next few years. Sure an argument can be made that we're over-paying if his peak is behind him, but in no world are we better with Buch off the team, and exponentially worse if we got nothing of value for him in return.
Well said. It’s funny how quickly people have soured on Buchnevich. It was also pretty much confirmed he has been dealing with an injury (or injuries) this year when he had to sit out to the bag skate practice a few weeks ago. Way too early to give up on him IMO.
 
Always appreciate your posts. I did have to chuckle though, as the highlighted sentence above is EXACTLY what I saw posted about Perunovich for every year, for 4 years, like clockwork. Even this year, there were posts about him finally breaking out (at age 26), and it lasted all of about 7 games before he was on the bench again and eventually traded for essentially nothing. The parallels are just eerily similar to me. For his sake, I hope you are right though, but I'm scarred and scared for how that turns out.

Thanks, and I get what you’re saying. But at least he doesn’t have the smurf syndrome, which is why I’d like to give him a chance.
 
Not too blunt and zero offense taken. I just don’t think Buch has much value after his performance this season. The time to maximize his value was last year. With regards to the Avs, not sure Schenn and Faksa help them in the short run when we still aren’t competitive.

And finally, I’m ready for the hate, but I don’t think Jiricek becomes a top pairing Dman, little less a Top 4. He gives me that horrible feeling in my gut of Peru. He’s obviously got much more size, but he has an intriguing skillset, flashes of greatness, lots of hype, but showing early to be extremely frail. Hated that pick at the time and personally, would include him in a trade if it netted more assets.

Feel free to fire away, as based on everyone’s comments, I’m not very good at this trade thing either!! 😂😂
First, don't sweat the responses. At the end of the day we're all hockey fans that aren't professional scouts and many of the deals that go down come as a major surprise because player evaluation can be all over the place depending on the team. It's still a fun way to break up the lulls in a long season.
 
First, don't sweat the responses. At the end of the day we're all hockey fans that aren't professional scouts and many of the deals that go down come as a major surprise because player evaluation can be all over the place depending on the team. It's still a fun way to break up the lulls in a long season.
Hell yeah buddy. And I’m sick of losing like everyone else and can’t wait for playoff hockey to return, hopefully sooner vs later. LGB!!!!!
 
Always appreciate your posts. I did have to chuckle though, as the highlighted sentence above is EXACTLY what I saw posted about Perunovich for every year, for 4 years, like clockwork. Even this year, there were posts about him finally breaking out (at age 26), and it lasted all of about 7 games before he was on the bench again and eventually traded for essentially nothing. The parallels are just eerily similar to me. For his sake, I hope you are right though, but I'm scarred and scared for how that turns out.

There is a lot of truth to this and I can see your point of view on it, fool me once. One thing I would argue though between the two is that Perunovich for the past 3 seasons or so, a lot of his limitations are physical. He thinks the game at a high level, but he's not a great skater, doesn't really have a great shot, is reluctant to shoot, can't really defend.

I don't want to downplay that Jiricek consistently getting hurt could really hinder his development. He's been thought of as a raw player. The difference is Jiricek is a pretty toolsy player where Perunovich was always going to be a smaller puck mover. The rave at the time or at least a year or so after he was drafted was the small puck movers changing the game. I think what was overlooked is that the small puck movers definitely did change the game, but the ones who did were all extremely high end skaters and the skating allows them to defend competently at the NHL level and avoid checks etc. Perunovich had the shiftiness to avoid, but he doesn't have the physical tools needed to defend.

Jiricek is a pretty prototypically sized defenseman at 6'2 who has pretty good skating. His limitations aren't what Perunovich's were. What scares me about him is his aggression and willingness to throw the body is what's ultimately very intriguing about him. I fear the injuries are either caused by that or could hinder that in order to stay healthy.

We will see but you aren't wrong for noticing the parallels. The situation is just alot different and it's way to early to give up on a what if especially given the potential outcome and the possible return. We direly need someone in the position he projects to play in if all goes right. Where I would be ready to jump ship is if we did what we did with Perunovich and sign a replacement in the exact role he would need to succeed (i.e. Ekblad someone of that ilk). Until then, The reward far outweighs the risk for the franchise.
 
Well said. It’s funny how quickly people have soured on Buchnevich. It was also pretty much confirmed he has been dealing with an injury (or injuries) this year when he had to sit out to the bag skate practice a few weeks ago. Way too early to give up on him IMO.

Pretty sure this is why I have soured on him, he always looks like he's pissed off and not in an intense kind of way but in a crybaby sort of way.
 
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Pretty sure this is why I have soured on him, he always looks like he's pissed off and not in an intense kind of way but in a crybaby sort of way.

That just reminds me of when we traded for him and a Rangers fan came in here and told us "He loves zoos and magnets, and he's not always sad his face just looks like that."

It was oddly endearing. And true, I guess.
 
According to this report, Brayden Schenn, Pavel Buchnevich, and Jordan Kyrou’s names are all gaining attention in the market ahead of the trade deadline

Brayden Schenn’s name being linked to the Vegas Golden Knights #stlblues

From a twitter dude

 
I predict Buchnevich will have the kind of resurgent season next year that Bouwmeester enjoyed...going from whipping boy trade fodder to a valuable veteran piece of the core.
I agree. If Buch remains with the Blues for the duration, then we will get at least three more very good seasons, one of which will be next season.

Even though I wanted him gone already, I do not believe for one second that he is washed up.
 
Saw this article. Sorry if it’s already been posted, but I found it interesting.


This is the most detail I have seen but not sure if it’s 100% accurate. I don’t know how Korac would know that Schenn would block any trade. If Schenn said as much, why aren’t there quotes from Schenn?

"To this point, Schenn has not been approached about waiving (the no-trade clause) nor are there any indications that he would, even if approached," Korac reported.

 
This is the most detail I have seen but not sure if it’s 100% accurate. I don’t know how Korac would know that Schenn would block any trade. If Schenn said as much, why aren’t there quotes from Schenn?

"To this point, Schenn has not been approached about waiving (the no-trade clause) nor are there any indications that he would, even if approached," Korac reported.

There is a quote from him in Korac’s own article. https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/st-louis-blues/latest-news/blues-captain-addresses-trade-rumors

“I don’t think I need to get into rumors or whatever,” Schenn said Tuesday. “I’m not in those talks behind closed doors. What I do know, I love St. Louis, I love being here. I’ve always said it’s the best thing for me. I obviously know there’s a business side of it. At the end of the day, there’s no sense in me talking about speculation or what could happen because at the end of the day, I’m a St. Louis Blue and I love it here.”
 
There is a quote from him in Korac’s own article. https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/st-louis-blues/latest-news/blues-captain-addresses-trade-rumors

“I don’t think I need to get into rumors or whatever,” Schenn said Tuesday. “I’m not in those talks behind closed doors. What I do know, I love St. Louis, I love being here. I’ve always said it’s the best thing for me. I obviously know there’s a business side of it. At the end of the day, there’s no sense in me talking about speculation or what could happen because at the end of the day, I’m a St. Louis Blue and I love it here.”

Right, but there’s no quote from Schenn saying “I’m not worried because I’m going to block any trade”
 
Right, but there’s no quote from Schenn saying “I’m not worried because I’m going to block any trade”
I think Korac is wrong. I expect Schenn would approve trade to right situation. He wants chance at another Cup and he knows he can do that sooner in Vegas or Carolina or wherever as opposed to with Blues. Look at Schenn's quotes. He never says he won't approve trade. He is captain. He is saying he wants to be here for a myriad of reasons, but not least of which is he knows that if he says anything else the story blows up.
 
Right, but there’s no quote from Schenn saying “I’m not worried because I’m going to block any trade”
I mean you could take Schenn’s quote as meaning that, since he basically says “it’s pointless to talk about because I love it here”, but also, nobody is reporting that Schenn ever said he would flat out block any trade. Korac just said there’s no indication he would waive his NTC…Which is kind of pointless to report because Schenn isn’t going to just tell the media exactly what he’s going to do, but technically you and Korac are still talking about two different things here.
 
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I’m terrible at trades because I don’t follow other teams situations like ours. But I wonder if Berube has any interest in Binner and Schenn?

Binner and Schenn for Knies + 1st
I believe a trade proposal surrounding Schenn and Knies was throw out today during BK & Ferrario's interview with Darren Dreger. I know Alex and Brandon read our posts LOL
 
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