2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[TruBlueFan1970]

I will drive Buchnevich to the airport in 2 feet of snow in a deal around Nemec. Getting rid of that contract is ideal.

Amen.....I'll drive the snow plow in front of you to clear the path. Can't get rid of that guy soon enough IMHO.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

What would a Vegas deal look like for Schenn? Connelly, Korczak, and Uronen 2-3rd for Schenn 35% retained and Kessel

I don't see retaining on Schenn as desirable, certainly not unless was massive overpay. I'd think we would want Roy back to give us a center and that would solve most of Vegas cap issues with Schenn. I like Sapulov as prospect. Not interested in Connelly, for lots of reasons.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I don't see retaining on Schenn as desirable, certainly not unless was massive overpay. I'd think we would want Roy back to give us a center and that would solve most of Vegas cap issues with Schenn. I like Sapulov as prospect. Not interested in Connelly, for lots of reasons.

I wasn’t sure how a deal may look. Kept hearing their name come up. I like Korczak. Be someone we could pair with Broberg and add some ability and toughness

 

[Brian39]

Detroit seems like a really, really good trading partner for us if we are talking about selling 1 or more of the 'core veterans.' They have been really good since the coaching change and are currently in playoff position. It feels like this year should be viewed as the opening (or preamble to the opening) of a window, so a pure rental doesn't make much sense. But it would make a ton of sense to bring in vets with term who can contribute as the window opens wider. They also have a ton of cap space. They can add $9M today and $12M by the deadline. They can include Husso's expiring deal in a trade to open even more space and they have $26 of cap space next year (with Kane being the only bigger ticket extension/replacement need). They have one of the best prospect pools in the league and they have all of their own draft picks for the next 3 years (minus their 4th this year).

I wonder if they have interest in Parayko. He and Seider would make a hell of a 1-2 punch on the right side. I see a real argument that being on the same team would increase the effectiveness of both guys. They could play both of them 24+ minutes a night and it would still be noticeably easier minutes for both than the roles each are currently playing. I think that Seider and Parayko is a Cup-caliber right side of the top 4 for several seasons and Edvinsson is shaping up to be a damn good complimentary partner for that window.

I also wonder if they have interest in Schenn. They are thin at center and he would slot in as their #2 center right now. His strengths are different than Copp's, so that would give them a versatile middle 6 C group. There is some built in chemistry with Tarasenko and he brings a layer of physicality that isn't there in Detroit's lineup. He (and Copp) can both slide to wing and down the lineup in the coming years as prospects start earning time in the middle 6. I think he'd address a big need in the present and be able to contribute in a meaningful way for 2 (and maybe all) of the 3 additional years on his contract.

I also wonder how Yzerman views Binner and Detroit's goaltending. Talbot and Lyon have been good enough this year, but do you really trust either of those guys in the playoffs? Do you trust either to be the 1A (or starter) for Cossa's rookie season when your team has playoff aspirations? How far away do you think Cossa is from being a legit #1? Binner is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one and that feels like a nice little bridge to get them to the (presumptive) Cossa/Augustine tandem.

Army and Yzerman have a pretty long track record of doing business with each other and there appear to be a good chunk of fits there.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Detroit seems like a really, really good trading partner for us if we are talking about selling 1 or more of the 'core veterans.' They have been really good since the coaching change and are currently in playoff position. It feels like this year should be viewed as the opening (or preamble to the opening) of a window, so a pure rental doesn't make much sense. But it would make a ton of sense to bring in vets with term who can contribute as the window opens wider. They also have a ton of cap space. They can add $9M today and $12M by the deadline. They can include Husso's expiring deal in a trade to open even more space and they have $26 of cap space next year (with Kane being the only bigger ticket extension/replacement need). They have one of the best prospect pools in the league and they have all of their own draft picks for the next 3 years (minus their 4th this year).

I wonder if they have interest in Parayko. He and Seider would make a hell of a 1-2 punch on the right side. I see a real argument that being on the same team would increase the effectiveness of both guys. They could play both of them 24+ minutes a night and it would still be noticeably easier minutes for both than the roles each are currently playing. I think that Seider and Parayko is a Cup-caliber right side of the top 4 for several seasons and Edvinsson is shaping up to be a damn good complimentary partner for that window.

I also wonder if they have interest in Schenn. They are thin at center and he would slot in as their #2 center right now. His strengths are different than Copp's, so that would give them a versatile middle 6 C group. There is some built in chemistry with Tarasenko and he brings a layer of physicality that isn't there in Detroit's lineup. He (and Copp) can both slide to wing and down the lineup in the coming years as prospects start earning time in the middle 6.

I also wonder how Yzerman views Binner and Detroit's goaltending. Talbot and Lyon have been good enough this year, but do you really trust either of those guys in the playoffs? Do you trust either to be the 1A (or starter) for Cossa's rookie season when your team has playoff aspirations? How far away do you think Cossa is from being a legit #1? Binner is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one and that feels like a nice little bridge to get them to the (presumptive) Cossa/Augustine tandem.

Army and Yzerman have a pretty long track record of doing business with each other and there appear to be a good chunk of fits there.

I'd agree. I've always questioned Detroit's rebuild because they very much focused on mid-tier salary players and lacked getting higher end guys. They are set up pretty well with the increasing cap, current cap space, and crop of prospects to add some missing pieces.

I haven't been as high on some of their prospects, so I'll be curious what they do.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Veg

I don't see retaining on Schenn as desirable, certainly not unless was massive overpay. I'd think we would want Roy back to give us a center and that would solve most of Vegas cap issues with Schenn. I like Sapulov as prospect. Not interested in Connelly, for lots of reasons.

Vegas has one player under 6’ on their team and he’s 5’11”

 

[BleedBlue14]

Detroit seems like a really, really good trading partner for us if we are talking about selling 1 or more of the 'core veterans.' They have been really good since the coaching change and are currently in playoff position. It feels like this year should be viewed as the opening (or preamble to the opening) of a window, so a pure rental doesn't make much sense. But it would make a ton of sense to bring in vets with term who can contribute as the window opens wider. They also have a ton of cap space. They can add $9M today and $12M by the deadline. They can include Husso's expiring deal in a trade to open even more space and they have $26 of cap space next year (with Kane being the only bigger ticket extension/replacement need). They have one of the best prospect pools in the league and they have all of their own draft picks for the next 3 years (minus their 4th this year).

I wonder if they have interest in Parayko. He and Seider would make a hell of a 1-2 punch on the right side. I see a real argument that being on the same team would increase the effectiveness of both guys. They could play both of them 24+ minutes a night and it would still be noticeably easier minutes for both than the roles each are currently playing. I think that Seider and Parayko is a Cup-caliber right side of the top 4 for several seasons and Edvinsson is shaping up to be a damn good complimentary partner for that window.

I also wonder if they have interest in Schenn. They are thin at center and he would slot in as their #2 center right now. His strengths are different than Copp's, so that would give them a versatile middle 6 C group. There is some built in chemistry with Tarasenko and he brings a layer of physicality that isn't there in Detroit's lineup. He (and Copp) can both slide to wing and down the lineup in the coming years as prospects start earning time in the middle 6. I think he'd address a big need in the present and be able to contribute in a meaningful way for 2 (and maybe all) of the 3 additional years on his contract.

I also wonder how Yzerman views Binner and Detroit's goaltending. Talbot and Lyon have been good enough this year, but do you really trust either of those guys in the playoffs? Do you trust either to be the 1A (or starter) for Cossa's rookie season when your team has playoff aspirations? How far away do you think Cossa is from being a legit #1? Binner is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one and that feels like a nice little bridge to get them to the (presumptive) Cossa/Augustine tandem.

Army and Yzerman have a pretty long track record of doing business with each other and there appear to be a good chunk of fits there.

What could we possibly pull outside of ASP that would really limit the derail of the defense that removing Parayko would most likely do? I'm just not sure how a fanbase in that position could get behind moving ASP in a deal for a guy who's 30+ albeit a very high end player. That's the sell Yzerman would have to do. But I guess it seems the echo's were becoming a bit impatient as is.

They have a really good pool. But that's opening up a massive hole that we don't have a solution for. Aside from a couple of hot stretches from Fowler and Broberg. Parayko has been virtually our only source of offense from the backend. You could try and fill the void with Holl or Petry for the rest of this season. Neither are very good.

Johansson on the backend is a pretty interesting piece. I haven't watched him play at all to really understand what he is, but it looks like he's progressing alright and you could realistically hope to get a #4 out of his profile and production that he's getting in the SHL.

I just feel like maximizing "assets" on a Parayko would set us back further than either keeping him or searching out a deal for a guy like Nemec who could almost immediately step in - or a young player currently in the NHL being underutilized due to be behind a few guys.

 

[Brian39]

What could we possibly pull outside of ASP that would really limit the derail of the defense that removing Parayko would most likely do? I'm just not sure how a fanbase in that position could get behind moving ASP in a deal for a guy who's 30+ albeit a very high end player. That's the sell Yzerman would have to do. But I guess it seems the echo's were becoming a bit impatient as is.

They have a really good pool. But that's opening up a massive hole that we don't have a solution for. Aside from a couple of hot stretches from Fowler and Broberg. Parayko has been virtually our only source of offense from the backend. You could try and fill the void with Holl or Petry for the rest of this season. Neither are very good.

Johansson on the backend is a pretty interesting piece. I haven't watched him play at all to really understand what he is, but it looks like he's progressing alright and you could realistically hope to get a #4 out of his profile and production that he's getting in the SHL.

I just feel like maximizing "assets" on a Parayko would set us back further than either keeping him or searching out a deal for a guy like Nemec who could almost immediately step in - or a young player currently in the NHL being underutilized due to be behind a few guys.

I don't think that Army would even consider trading Parayko to Detroit unless ASP were part of the package coming back.

That may not be a fun sell for Yzerman, but it isn't an unreasonable sales pitch. Their PP looks great this year with Seider as the QB, so the need for a guy like ASP's skillset isn't quite as pressing as it once seemed. As much as I like ASP, there is a very real chance that he's never as good overall as Parayko currently is. And I think there is a very good chance that the hypothetical best version of Seider is a guy who can be used as a true 2 way D man instead of a shutdown guy. ASP as the #2 guy ensures Seider never gets that chance. I think there is a very good chance that Detroit would be better in each of the next 3-4 seasons with Parayko over ASP in their NHL lineup. And as much as that fanbase has bought patience, I don't think many of them would hate the team prioritizing the short-to-medium term over the long term at this point.

I'd be more than content to walk away from a Parayko deal that didn't include ASP. I'm not eager to trade Parayko and I only want to consider it if we are getting a truly great package. I don't just want a collection of nice things.