2024/2025 Around the League

[henchman21]

You guys are going to sit there and tell me whith a straight face that if Nuke was on Vegas his contract wouldn't already be terminated?

It would be terminated in November when he’s out of the program.

So, when Nuke gets caught next time, this is what could happen as the dam has been broken?

I don't like this ruling. Some teams will surely exploit this.

Doubtful as his will be a different situation. He goes back into the program and has to be reinstated prior to a one sided termination. Both side could mutually agree prior, and depending on timing, I could see that.

 

[Foppa2118]

You guys are going to sit there and tell me whith a straight face that if Nuke was on Vegas his contract wouldn't already be terminated?

Yes. If Nuke was with Vegas, we never would have heard about his issues to begin with. He'd just be dominating Dennis Rodman style, and the Knights would sweep every indiscretion under the rug.

In fact, they're probably salivating at the chance to still do this, if his contract is terminated.

 

[LOFIN]

Or a SU27

Flankers are obviously more prolific still but F-16 represents the future of the UAF, and the silhouette is more known to westerners anyway.

 

[Foppa2118]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841832793464037396

lol "stop f***ing crying bro."

Their stars are just too soft and spoiled, especially Marner, and the team and city turning them into mythological figures before they ever did anything, just made them more entitled. They should have had to earn it more.

I knew this was going to be a problem when I saw that ad a years back that they used to run every commercial break on center ice (iirc) where Marner and Matthews were just gallivanting around town like hipsters, and then treating practice like a stylized Mighty Ducks movie.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

If Nuke lived his lifestyle in Las Vegas his contract would probably be the least of his worries.

 

[LOFIN]

Their stars are just too soft and spoiled

That's unfair. Nylander is fine. Matthews is not bad, but could be better. We don't know what he's like behind the scenes, but he sure is not MacKinnon (tbf, no one is lol).

Marner is an issue. He just lights a f***ing fire basically every third time he speaks to the media, and doesn't really help that he's the actual Toronto boy who would most likely want to remain with the team.

 

[Foppa2118]

That's unfair. Nylander is fine. Matthews is not bad, but could be better. We don't know what he's like behind the scenes, but he sure is not MacKinnon (tbf, no one is lol).

Marner is an issue. He just lights a f***ing fire basically every third time he speaks to the media, and doesn't really help that he's the actual Toronto boy who would most likely want to remain with the team.

Maybe it wasn't clear, but I wasn't referring to Nylander with that, since he's the one calling out Marner, and he's been their only consistent contributor in the playoffs.

 

[LOFIN]

Maybe it wasn't clear, but I wasn't referring to Nylander with that, since he's the one calling out Marner, and he's been their only consistent contributor in the playoffs.

When you say "stars", you imply all of them. Nylander is going to be the 2nd highest paid player on the team this season.

Just single out Marner (and Matthews if you like), it's not that hard when we are talking about a handful of players lol.

 

[Foppa2118]

When you say "stars", you imply all of them. Nylander is going to be the 2nd highest paid player on the team this season.

Just single out Marner (and Matthews if you like), it's not that hard when we are talking about a handful of players lol.

Sorry. I'll try to do better next time.

 

[Pokecheque]

The Leafs failures were compounded in a number of ways. I'd sum them up as such:

1. Deciding that Rielly was a legit #1 (he isn't even close) and then compounding that issue by getting rid of any other decent puckmovers on the blueline.

2. Signing Tavares to a deal that got, at best, two prime years out of him.

3. Signing him to that deal at the exact same time their three most important core players were up for contracts.

4. Not firing Mike Babcock the very moment he pulled that shit with Marner.

5. Not getting good enough goaltending.

The rest basically comes down to them chipping away at their identity (which Treliving continues to do) until they were a big slow collection of grinders outside of the "Core Four." I think they could have been successful even with Marner, of whom I'm not a big fan, but they just went about it in all the wrong ways.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Seems pretty clear really... Lehner violated his contract where Vegas had grounds to terminate. So Vegas moved to terminate. The NHLPA wanting to avoid a termination and precedent, negotiated where Vegas simply offered up to pay the full amount... just not have it count against the cap. Then NHL and NHLPA agreed it would count as part of the 50% players' share. A series of steps, but not all that complex.

This (and RyJo) goes to show that contracts can be terminated for even pretty minor things. Whether that holds up or how it is negotiated is the real question.

How is Nukes contract not terminated then? Makes no sense. Doing coke and getting caught with hookers can't be good. That must be a breach of contract .

 

[henchman21]

How is Nukes contract not terminated then? Makes no sense. Doing coke and getting caught with hookers can't be good. That must be a breach of contract .

Avs can’t terminate unilaterally while Nuke is in the PAP. There can be mutual termination (which Nuke has little reason to agree to that right now). When he’s activated, he could be terminated by the Avs. It would be grieved and have to be negotiated like the RyJo’s will be. But at a much larger amount.

 

[AvsMakar08]

The Nhl has to be very careful when it comes to dealing with disabilities unless they want a massive lawsuit on their hands. I'm guessing that Lehner probably brought some sort of medical from his doctor stating that he missed his physical due to his disability.

Welcome to the forum Sakic.

 

[Metallo]

Lehner is contractually obligated to show up for a physical before starting the season. So him not showing up is a direct violation of his contract. Vegas cannot put Lehner on LTIR without a physical. Without them moving to terminate his contract, they couldn't be compliant with the cap. They don't care about the money, so their offer was basically, we'll pay you but it doesn't count. NHLPA takes this as a huge win as they don't have a precedent on contract termination and their guy gets paid.


EA loves this.

They can't suspend him if he doesn't show up for a physical?

 

[henchman21]

They can't suspend him if he doesn't show up for a physical?

I believe he was suspended and Vegas moved to terminate.

 

[BurnabyJoe19]

I believe he was suspended and Vegas moved to terminate.

This is most likely what happened. There is probably a section in the collective agreement though about duty to inquire. Vegas probably had a duty to inquire if it was a Mental health issue that prevented Lehner from showing up to his physical. They probably didn't do that which is why they agreed to pay his contract.

 

[Balthazar]

Videotron Center in Quebec city tonight for a preseason game between the Bruins and Kings (don't ask me why these 2 teams because I have no clue)

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Videotron Center in Quebec city tonight for a preseason game between the Bruins and the Kings (don't ask me why these 2 teams were here)

Oh look...everybody can see both nets. What a novelty!!

 

[wayninja]

I'm just glad our team is making the most of its generational roster

 

[expatriatedtexan]

At the end of the day, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Joe Sakic and Chris McFarland legitimately want and hope to see Nuke overcome these demons and continue on with the team.

One of the many things I remember people heaping praise upon PL for was how he treated the organization as a family. Families don't give up on each other. And considering how PL really took Sakic under his wing and taught him the management side of things, I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that Joe actually does hope for Nuke to rebound from this.

 

[S E P H]

Videotron Center in Quebec city tonight for a preseason game between the Bruins and Kings (don't ask me why these 2 teams because I have no clue)

The jets were the same way when they first moved, but look at what is currently happening when the aura wears off.

 

[MacKaRant]

Videotron Center in Quebec city tonight for a preseason game between the Bruins and Kings (don't ask me why these 2 teams because I have no clue)

Pretty sure it's for Patrice Bergeron (Bruins) and Pierre-Luc Dubois (Kings)

 

[Bender]

Seems pretty clear really... Lehner violated his contract where Vegas had grounds to terminate. So Vegas moved to terminate. The NHLPA wanting to avoid a termination and precedent, negotiated where Vegas simply offered up to pay the full amount... just not have it count against the cap. Then NHL and NHLPA agreed it would count as part of the 50% players' share. A series of steps, but not all that complex.

This (and RyJo) goes to show that contracts can be terminated for even pretty minor things. Whether that holds up or how it is negotiated is the real question.

I'd be willing to bet a good amount of money that the golden turds communicated to Lehner privately - 'Don't come in for training camp - we'll still pay you your money' ...

I Avs can’t terminate unilaterally while Nuke is in the PAP. There can be mutual termination (which Nuke has little reason to agree to that right now). When he’s activated, he could be terminated by the Avs. It would be grieved and have to be negotiated like the RyJo’s will be. But at a much larger amount.

Don't think the majority of Avs fans care how much $$ he'd get in a settlement. He could get all of it as long as the cap hit goes away and its the same for those vegas assholes, that's all they cared about and somehow they f***ing got it.

 

[Johnnydrama21]

It's to the point with Vegas that I can't even be mad. Hate the system at this point.

 

[LOFIN]

Oh?