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Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v5 | Wed, June 7 | vs HOU | 7:00pm ET/4:00pm PT | Blanco vs Bassitt

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Looks like we won't get much out of Kikuchi tonight.

shaner89 said:
The offense back to normal today? Wouldn’t be surprised to get shutout
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Yeah that's almost always the case when you rack up that many runs against any team, the next day its nada, and especially if you're facing a stud like McClanahan.
 
Yeah it's not like Shane McClanahan was a Cy Young finalist last year or anything.

Nope, total scrub. We should thank Shaner for his wise and thoughtful analysis.
 
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Blitzkrug said:
Yeah it's not like Shane McClanahan was a Cy Young finalist last year or anything.

Nope, total scrub. We should thank Shaner for his wise and thoughtful analysis.
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Yeah, but he was just a finalist. He didn't win it or anything. and you know what they say: if you're not the winner then you're a loser.
 
Cy Kikichui was never going to last but i at least hope he can still be a serviceable bottom rotation guy.

Those first 5 weeks of the season were dope though.
 
Blitzkrug said:
Cy Kikichui was never going to last but i at least hope he can still be a serviceable bottom rotation guy.

Those first 5 weeks of the season were dope though.
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His velo seems to have ticked down slightly around the time he started struggling a bit.

Not necessarily thinking he's injured, but did he blow himself up going hard for the first month of the season and now he's feeling the effects of it?

EDIT: his pitch mix has also changed. Right as the calendar rolled over he started trading sliders for curves and extra FBs. Some of that might be pitchf/x misclassification but it's funny that:

for April he was like 33% FB, 33% slider, 20-25% splitter, and like <5% curve.

In May it's now like 50% FB, 18% slider, 20% curve, and 15% curve
 
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MK78 said:
I think it's time to pull Kikuchi.
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They got so many more games coming up i'm not sure it's wise to go into the pen this early.

Leaving him in would be waiving the white flag kinda but at the same time with McClanahan on the mound this is one you kinda had to expect an L anyway?
 
It's amazing to me that TB can't attract more fans 9 thousand last night 12 thousand tonight crazy
 
Time to move Garcia to low leverage until he gets his shit together. Bullpen could use some help given Romano, Pearson and Swanson are the only three guys that don't shit themselves regularly.

Maybe getting Cimber back will help. Edit; Or Chad Green but i think he's a little ways away yet.
The Nemesis said:
Relievers are voodoo.
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That word is forbidden according to some here.
 
Blitzkrug said:
That word is forbidden according to some here.
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It sorta fits here. Like most relievers are swingy and inconsistent but Garcia is in like the 9th season of his career, all as a reliever, and he's been good to great in 7 of the 8 that he's completed already. He had one speedbump like 5 years ago and has otherwise been great.

And here we are this year where he's not showing decreased velo (he's actually right up at his career high #s on FB velocity), he's not lost his strikeout rate, hell he's getting GBs at a rate way higher than the norm for him. But he's getting BABIP'd a bit and his walk rate has crept up and he goes from solid, dependable late-innings guy to borderline tire fire.

I don't know if it's a shift restriction thing, but it's just one of those annoying relief pitcher situations where you just can't depend on even the most dependable guys from season to season because there's no telling when someone's going to go full pumpkin.

Though with all that said his peripheral #s suggest that perhaps he's due for some positive regression that will make him not suck so much.
 
The Nemesis said:
It sorta fits here. Like most relievers are swingy and inconsistent but Garcia is in like the 9th season of his career, all as a reliever, and he's been good to great in 7 of the 8 that he's completed already. He had one speedbump like 5 years ago and has otherwise been great.

And here we are this year where he's not showing decreased velo (he's actually right up at his career high #s on FB velocity), he's not lost his strikeout rate, hell he's getting GBs at a rate way higher than the norm for him. But he's getting BABIP'd a bit and his walk rate has crept up and he goes from solid, dependable late-innings guy to borderline tire fire.

I don't know if it's a shift restriction thing, but it's just one of those annoying relief pitcher situations where you just can't depend on even the most dependable guys from season to season because there's no telling when someone's going to go full pumpkin.
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Oh no i fully get what you're saying. I was the one who said bullpens are voodoo as shit but got slapped down for not showing my work/basing it nonsense or whatever,

Craig Kimbrel is the example i used too. The man has gone from trash to good multiple times in his long career.
 
I guess with Jano exiting with a hammy, it's Kirk catching Manoah tomorrow. We'll see if he regresses back to what he was.
 
2 wins in there last ten and the schedule does not get any easier. I hope they figure it out soon, it's a long season but they are not trending in the right direction especially given expectations with this club.
 
Kirk casually throws to first allowing a runner to reach, then Biggio fumbles a routine DP ball leading to a run.
 
Manoah wastes a ton of time with Raley on-base leading to an easy steal then throws a meatball leading to a dobule and the 3rd run.
 
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