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Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v5 | Wed, June 7 | vs HOU | 7:00pm ET/4:00pm PT | Blanco vs Bassitt

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Kirk vs Moreno is a pretty interesting debate though.

FWAR

Moreno has a 3.48 FWAR/162.
Kirk has a 3.25 FWAR/162

Here is BWAR

Moreno - 4.48 bWAR/162
Kirk - 3.38 bWAR/162

Moreno also has more control and is more athletic so his body is less likely to break down over the long term. But Kirk is the better hitter to date.
 
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Puckstuff said:
Kirk vs Moreno is a pretty interesting debate though.

FWAR

Moreno has a 3.48 FWAR/162.
Kirk has a 3.25 FWAR/162

Here is BWAR

Moreno - 4.48 bWAR/162
Kirk - 3.38 bWAR/162

Moreno also has more control and is more athletic so his body is less likely to break down over the long term. But Kirk is the better hitter to date.
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The legitimately concerning thing with Kirk right now is the (huge) decline in his EV/power numbers.

If it was just an approach thing, you’d be confident he could find his old groove again at some point. But his approach and K/BB ratios are great. He’s doing the same things he’s always been doing … except he isn’t hitting the ball hard anymore and 2023 has turned into a slappy singles hitter.

Hopefully it turns around but I certainly have questions about whether his lack of fitness is limiting his explosiveness as he gets older.

Like, 95.0 EV 2020 (small sample) -> 92.3 EV 2021 -> 90.5 EV 2022 -> 86.0 EV 2023 is alarming.
 
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Other than buying season tickets?
 
MS said:
The legitimately concerning thing with Kirk right now is the (huge) decline in his EV/power numbers.

If it was just an approach thing, you’d be confident he could find his old groove again at some point. But his approach and K/BB ratios are great. He’s doing the same things he’s always been doing … except he isn’t hitting the ball hard anymore and 2023 has turned into a slappy singles hitter.

Hopefully it turns around but I certainly have questions about whether his lack of fitness is limiting his explosiveness as he gets older.

Like, 95.0 EV 2020 (small sample) -> 92.3 EV 2021 -> 90.5 EV 2022 -> 86.0 EV 2023 is alarming.
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He looks fatter this year, which is asinine for a professional baseball player in 2023.
 
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You've posted a tweet (from a random person) depicting another person (not Bass) that supposedly was shared by Bass (which we are led to believe because his Insta is in the top left corner in an easy to edit location.

Also, this is the GDT and has nothing to do with last game or next game.
 
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Puckstuff said:
Kirk vs Moreno is a pretty interesting debate though.

FWAR

Moreno has a 3.48 FWAR/162.
Kirk has a 3.25 FWAR/162

Here is BWAR

Moreno - 4.48 bWAR/162
Kirk - 3.38 bWAR/162

Moreno also has more control and is more athletic so his body is less likely to break down over the long term. But Kirk is the better hitter to date.
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Hot take, athleticism at catcher is fairly useless. Majority of the time these starting catchers play 120-135 games a year, and with the tolls of playing the position any player regardless of athleticism will break down faster than if they were playing at a different position. If you're athletic and the bat can play anywhere else, they'd probably move you so that they could get you into the lineup everyday. Realmuto being an anomaly (even in Rutschman's case they're DHing him on off days). Posey and Mauer are examples of wanting to keep the bat in the lineup and transitioning them to 1B. Lawrie and Harper being other examples of guys who were experimented in other positions to make use of their athleticism (speed, arm).

Kirk's plate discipline and power production to date has been vastly superior to what Moreno has shown and gives him that Yoshida/Arraez skill bump that makes him a very effective new era DH. Yes that negates a lot of his value if he were to be moved from C permanently, but that doesn't seem to be an intention for awhile.
 
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Keep the line moving.

Houser is getting kinda hosed tonight. He's doing what he does as a groundball pitcher but they're either finding holes or his defense just flubs it.
 
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Cavan has been more aggressive at the plate. He’s made an adjustment
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It would be nice if this could stick. I love Biggio's patience, but it's not worth much if he lets easily hittable pitches go by. It lets pitchers just pound the zone to get ahead... if he can start being aggressive early in the count, I think we'll see the walks come back, too.
 
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