Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v11 | Wed, Sept 21 | @ NYY | 7:00pm ET/4:00pm PT | Berrios vs Cole

[Suntouchable13]

Ya if the Jays take 2 of 3 from the Yankees they will be in a very good position. In their last series against the Rays, Rays will likely be resting some players.

Didn't matter for LAD against Seattle today. Jays just have to worry about themselves, that's it.

 

[mikeyz]

The Jays and Yankees record in their past 11 games?

6-5

Jays have a 7 game lead over the Yanks with 12 games left.

The Yankees have to pass 2 teams.

Is math that hard, seriously?

..., Again, the Jays play the Yankees 6 times.

And those 2 teams that the Yankees have to pass play each other 7 times in those 12 games, so somebody is going to lose.

Is common sense that hard, seriously?

The Yankees have a tall task ahead of them, but, again, it’s not impossible.

Ya if the Jays take 2 of 3 from the Yankees they will be in a very good position. In their last series against the Rays, Rays will likely be resting some players.

We’ll see if they still have the division to play for. But yes, if the Jays just go .500 or even go 5-7 or possibly even 4-8 in the last 12 games, they should get in when you consider how many times Houston, Seattle and Texas all play each other down the stretch here.

 

[Suntouchable13]

..., Again, the Jays play the Yankees 6 times.

And those 2 teams that the Yankees have to pass play each other 7 times in those 12 games, so somebody is going to lose.

Is common sense that hard, seriously?

The Yankees have a tall task ahead of them, but, again, it’s not impossible.

We’ll see if they still have the division to play for. But yes, if the Jays just go .500 or even go 5-7 or possibly even 4-8 in the last 12 games, they should get in when you consider how many times Houston, Seattle and Texas all play each other down the stretch here.

Most they could get is 88 wins. Jays are at 83. It's simply not realistic, man. They are not going to win 12 games in a row, and 88 wins won't be enough to nab the last wildcard spot anyway.

 

[LaP]

..., Again, the Jays play the Yankees 6 times.

And those 2 teams that the Yankees have to pass play each other 7 times in those 12 games, so somebody is going to lose.

Is common sense that hard, seriously?

The Yankees have a tall task ahead of them, but, again, it’s not impossible.

We’ll see if they still have the division to play for. But yes, if the Jays just go .500 or even go 5-7 or possibly even 4-8 in the last 12 games, they should get in when you consider how many times Houston, Seattle and Texas all play each other down the stretch here.

I'd prefer the Jays to get in on their own merits by winning 7 or 8 of their last 12 games.

 

[kb]

Most they could get is 88 wins. Jays are at 83. It's simply not realistic, man. They are not going to win 12 games in a row, and 88 wins won't be enough to nab the last wildcard spot anyway.

Math and teams ahead is very hard to understand for some. And it wastes time, let alone outing a total lack of baseball knowledge.

 

[mikeyz]

Most they could get is 88 wins. Jays are at 83. It's simply not realistic, man. They are not going to win 12 games in a row, and 88 wins won't be enough to nab the last wildcard spot anyway.

Yeah probably not. And I actually hope not because I hate the Yankees. LOL.

Yankees aside though. Depending on if there are sweeps with the Astros and Rangers and Mariners respective series, 88 wins may actually be enough to get in. I just hope it's not the Yankees.

Math and teams ahead is very hard to understand for some. And it wastes time, let alone outing a total lack of baseball knowledge.

Lol easy there bud. I have forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Yeah probably not. And I actually hope not because I hate the Yankees. LOL


Lol easy there bud. I forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know.

Watch them win 12 games in a row now

 

[Discoverer]

..., Again, the Jays play the Yankees 6 times.

And those 2 teams that the Yankees have to pass play each other 7 times in those 12 games, so somebody is going to lose.

Is common sense that hard, seriously?

The Yankees have a tall task ahead of them, but, again, it’s not impossible.

We’ll see if they still have the division to play for. But yes, if the Jays just go .500 or even go 5-7 or possibly even 4-8 in the last 12 games, they should get in when you consider how many times Houston, Seattle and Texas all play each other down the stretch here.

It's not hard to understand in any way, it's just so completely remote a possibility that it's not worth discussing.

Why aren't we talking about the possibility of the Jays catching the Rays? If the Jays can run the table and the Rays go 3-3 in their non-Jays games, the Jays will catch them and hold the tie-breaker. It's not likely, but it's still a realistic possibility we should be talking about.

 

[mikeyz]

It's not hard to understand in any way, it's just so completely remote a possibility that it's not worth discussing.

Why aren't we talking about the possibility of the Jays catching the Rays? If the Jays can run the table and the Rays go 3-3 in their non-Jays games, the Jays will catch them and hold the tie-breaker. It's not likely, but it's still a realistic possibility we should be talking about.

Ohhh it's definitely a very rare of a possibility.

My whole point in all this is that considering how inconsistent the Jays have been for the last while, you can't really say that there are gimme wins in any game moving forward here. Especially when you consider how erratic their hitting and offensive as a whole have been.

And yes, I suppose you can say it's possible for the Blue Jays to catch the Rays if everything goes right. But the problem there is that the Rays more often then not kick the shit out of them. Lol.

 

[mikeyz]

Watch them win 12 games in a row now

I know you're being sarcastic. But, dear god I hope not.

I work with Yankees fans and I would never ever hear the end of it if they somehow made the playoffs this year. LOL

 

[canucksfan]

Really hoping the Jays win on Tuesday just so the ridiculously stupid Yankees discussion goes away.

 

[mikeyz]

Really hoping the Jays win on Tuesday just so the ridiculously stupid Yankees discussion goes away.

I hope they do too believe it or not.

Just 1 win against them should put it to bed and all but officially knock the Yankees out.

I'm just still scarred over what the Rangers did to us last week. LOL

 

[Burnie97]

All I know is after that garbage series against Texas they did exactly what they had to do against Boston.

It wasnt pretty but if they don't make it now ... they have no one else to blame but themselves.

Probably going 500 will do it. Either way the bats have to come through.

 

[MS]

Most they could get is 88 wins. Jays are at 83. It's simply not realistic, man. They are not going to win 12 games in a row, and 88 wins won't be enough to nab the last wildcard spot anyway.

There is a chance that 88 wins could make the playoffs if one of Seattle/Texas wrecks the other one and if we go 5-7 or something.

But yeah, for NYY to get to that number they’d have to go 12-0. It’s not happening.

 

[mikeyz]

There is a chance that 88 wins could make the playoffs if one of Seattle/Texas wrecks the other one and if we go 5-7 or something.

But yeah, for NYY to get to that number they’d have to go 12-0. It’s not happening.

I was saying this earlier. I think that it probably will happen. Texas is just a complete dumpster fire right now save for that Blue Jays series. They have been getting dummied by virtually everyone else.

 

[LaP]

There is a chance that 88 wins could make the playoffs if one of Seattle/Texas wrecks the other one and if we go 5-7 or something.

But yeah, for NYY to get to that number they’d have to go 12-0. It’s not happening.

I thought the "we just need to be 12-0 we can make it it's doable" delusion was reserved to CH fans.

 

[stats1]

All the pressure is on Seattle and Texas. Playing each other 7 times to finish the year is wild. Someone is losing those games. Jays technically don’t even need to go .500 the rest of the way and they’d still have a good chance of making it in. Go .500 or better and it’s a lock. Stop with the Yankees talk, they pretty much have to run the table just to have a chance

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

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Rob
8:44
Do you think he Jays front office should carry much blame. I think most of us expected this to be a good offensive team. The fact that nobody has produced at a star level (and that Manoah imploded) was out of their control after the team was built (and yet, they're in a playoff spot and no, this is not Ross Atkins)

Mark P
8:46
Well Ross....er, Rob, anyone in the front office would've said that getting into the playoffs was the absolute minimum expectation for 2023. At the end of the day, the front office put this flawed roster together, so they certainly have to face their share of blame. Obviously unknown stuff happens every year and the Manoah situation was unforeseen, but some of the Jays' issues (lack of depth, question marks in the lineup) were present going into the year

 

[Suntouchable13]

Being in such a tight playoff race is something else, man. One day you want your team to beat Boston, the next night you’re cheering FOR Boston to beat one of those teams in the race to help you out.

 

[Eyedea]

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Lack of depth and question marks in the lineup seemed to have shifted throughout the offseason/season. Those question marks in the offseason were more like "Belt and Kiermaier are coming back from surgeries... are they really enough to bolster the lineup?"

Well sure enough they would have been if the Vladdy's, Kirk's, Springer's, Chappy's, and Bichette's continued to consistently hit like last year. The depth also got exposed because Biggio/Espinal/Jansen struggled hard early on. The Jays had the AAA guys raking all year but they were reluctant to make those moves. If anything the biggest issue in terms of depth is/was starting pitching. Luckily only Manoah has stunk and Ryu's been solid enough since coming back.

 

[MS]

All the pressure is on Seattle and Texas. Playing each other 7 times to finish the year is wild. Someone is losing those games. Jays technically don’t even need to go .500 the rest of the way and they’d still have a good chance of making it in. Go .500 or better and it’s a lock. Stop with the Yankees talk, they pretty much have to run the table just to have a chance

Yeah.

Best-ish case is that if Texas wins 6 of 7 vs. Seattle and then Seattle goes 3-3 in their other 6 games, Toronto could theoretically go 3-9 and we'd make the playoffs.

Worst-ish case is if Seattle wins 4 of 7 and then both Texas and Seattle go 5-1 in their other 6 games, we'd have to go 8-4.

 

[mikeyz]

Yeah.

Best-ish case is that if Texas wins 6 of 7 vs. Seattle and then Seattle goes 3-3 in their other 6 games, Toronto could theoretically go 3-9 and we'd make the playoffs.

Worst-ish case is if Seattle wins 4 of 7 and then both Texas and Seattle go 5-1 in their other 6 games, we'd have to go 8-4.

Yup. This was another thing that I was saying over the weekend. It’s insane.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Yup. This was another thing that I was saying over the weekend. It’s insane.

just get in mon

 

[Suntouchable13]

Looks like Jung and Garcia are both back for Texas.

 

[Eyedea]

Red Sox take the lead