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Blue Jays GDT: 2023 v10 | Wed, Sept 6 | @ Oak | 330pm ET/12:30pm PT | Ryu vs Sears

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klmdg said:
Verlander had surgery in October of 2020 which made 2021 a write off from the start, while Paxton suffered a lat tear after recovering from tjs which is what caused him to be out for almost 2 years

Once the arm is good enough to throw at an MLB level, it doesn’t get any stronger or more durable with additional time off

Ryu has had enough time since returning to be able to extend beyond 5 innings and 70ish pitches, and if management is taking it easy with a guy that is a free agent at the end of the season, a guy they have paid $80 mil to, then they are more concerned with being nice guys than winning at this point, and should all be canned at the end of the year

Rays have had 8 pitchers on their roster have tjs since 2020, including some of their best arms, and they are way ahead of us again because they care about winning, not protecting a player’s future earnings potential, especially a guy in his mid 30’s who has banked over $100 mil already in his career
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Medical professionals obviously disagree with you given that they clearly are limiting Ryu’s innings.

And again, this would be a decision coming from above Schneider so blaming him for it is … weird.
 
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Could’ve been in a WC spot after today if they had held on yesterday.

Texas is really struggling. Twins just tied it up.
 
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MS said:
The current overreaction/hate toward Guerrero’s mediocre season is one of the most toxic things I’ve ever seen as a sports fan.
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yeah people seem to forget hes still under 25 he's allowed to have a challenging season

.personally i much rather him come off a season like this and get him locked up then another mvp season.
i have no doubt he'll adjust and return to form
 
as Pure as Evil said:
yeah people seem to forget hes still under 25 he's allowed to have a challenging season

.personally i much rather him come off a season like this and get him locked up then another mvp season.
i have no doubt he'll adjust and return to form
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He’s not meeting (very high) expectations and it’s frustrating. I get that.

But he’s still a young player the same age as guys like Judge and Rutschman were as rookies. He’s younger than Davis Schneider. He has a mechanical issue where he rolls over on pitches outside. He’ll work through it eventually.

But the reactions here are just *hate*. Over-the-top hyperbole. Personal insults.
 
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Eyedea said:
Well this is wrong because he has the highest WPA on the team (yes higher than Bo) and is the second best on the team in “high leverage” situations (behind Jansen).
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Yeah everything is just fine with Vladdy. That’s why everyone is so concerned and say his hitting is out of whack. He’s hitting 60% ground balls in the last six games. He’s third in the majors in number of double plays he’s into. He’s all over the place with his pitch selection. But you continue to think everything is sunshine and rainbows with our alleged star.
 
CabanaBoy5 said:
Yeah everything is just fine with Vladdy. That’s why everyone is so concerned and say his hitting is out of whack. He’s hitting 60% ground balls in the last six games. He’s third in the majors in number of double plays he’s into. He’s all over the place with his pitch selection. But you continue to think everything is sunshine and rainbows with our alleged star.
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Where did I say that? I’m just stating facts rather than blindly suggesting he’s the worst hitter on the team or doesn’t contribute in big situations.
 
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Eyedea said:
He tied who? Because it looks like he’s 4th in GDP before age 25 behind Ted Simmons, Edgar Renteria, and Cal Ripken Jr… and we’re gonna act like that number is truly astonishing when he just surpassed Hank Aaron, Yaz, Miggy, and Al Kaline (just to name a few)?
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You're response is confusing. Per @Statscentre: He has the most career double plays hit into by a player before their 24th birthday. Guerrero Jr, Al Kaline, Hank Aaron, and Miguel Cabrera are all tied with 89. That was my point. Yes, he surpassed Castro, Simmons, and Renteria. Btw, he's no where near the class of player of Kaline, Aaron, and Cabrera.
 
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Where did I say that? I’m just stating facts rather than blindly suggesting he’s the worst hitter on the team or doesn’t contribute in big situations.
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I'm not suggesting he's the worst hitter on the team. I think he has the potential to be better than he has shown. Right now, he's not even close to being the best hitter on the team regardless of what stats you throw out there. Bichette is and it's not even close.
 
CabanaBoy5 said:
You're response is confusing. Per @Statscentre: He has the most career double plays hit into by a player before their 24th birthday. Guerrero Jr, Al Kaline, Hank Aaron, and Miguel Cabrera are all tied with 89. That was my point. Yes, he surpassed Castro, Simmons, and Renteria. Btw, he's no where near the class of player of Kaline, Aaron, and Cabrera.
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I looked through Fangraphs’ data and Simmons (94), Renteria (92), and Ripken Jr (92) are all ahead of him. Your response to my response is even more confusing because Vladdy’s been 24 this entire season.
 
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