GDT: 2023 Upper Deck NHL Draft: 1st Round, June 28, 7 p.m. et | ESPN, SN, TVAS: Nashville, TN

[BenchBrawl]

The real problem is Grier. If he's smart, he's gonna pick Michkov.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

But the risks!!??? Why would the flyers do this?? Ugh... Only in Montreal is this even a question, so annoying.

It's such a no brainer.

Michkov is a risk... yet they picked the riskier in Slaf with a #1 oa then proceeded to throw him directly in the nhl and not sending him to world junior. But Michkov is where we draw the line

Mind Boggling

 

[Runner77]

Anthony Martineau was able to get an interview with Mr Michkov, and posted it to Twitter.

Not sure who the guy is in the background but he certainly seemed happy to be there and see Mr Michkov.

Looked into that Twitter thread further and we now have a better idea of that background guy:



Reading all the user comments, there were 3 questions by Habs fans inquiring about Martineau’s height.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Michkov is a risk... yet they picked the riskier in Slaf with a #1 oa then proceeded to throw him directly in the nhl and not sending him to world junior. But Michkov is where we draw the line

Mind Boggling

The risk is extremely overstated. I just don't understand.

 

[Kennerback]

Looked into that Twitter thread further and we now have a better idea of that background guy:



Reading all the user comments, there were 3 questions by Habs fans inquiring about Martineau’s height.

Maybe Michkov is wearing heels. Just saying.

 

[Gravity]

Leroux's top 32 from June 16th. Leroux is well connected with the Habs and some unconscious bias may be at play here. Michkov at #2.

LNH : Le top-32 de Stéphane Leroux, un repêchage d'attaquants | RDS

Chaque année depuis 10 ans, avant la séance de sélection, je vous partage mon top-32 des meilleurs espoirs.

www.rds.ca

 

[Team_Spirit]

people don't talk about this enough, I wish it was more studied. There might even be some predictive value in just (somehow) measuring someone's posture, for prospects say.

Russian goalies are trained like that they identify the kids early for goaltending.

Askarov is mind boggling what a joy to watch.

Why we're seeing more -- and better -- Russian goalies in the NHL than ever before

We track the growing impact of netminders from Russia, from Andrei Vasilevskiy and Sergei Bobrovsky to Igor Shesterkin and Ilya Sorokin.

www.espn.com

 

[Runner77]

But the risks!!??? Why would the flyers do this?? Ugh...

Flyers are earlier in their rebuild than we are.

Only explanation that I see is their internal rankings. They either sense a significant drop off after Michkov (top 5) or they have clearly bought into Michkov being the 2nd best player in a premium draft and they’re willing to overlook the other factors. And since they are at the very start of their rebuild, they’re willing to wait for him.

Could also be they have particular actionable intel that other teams don’t.

For them to want to go all out, there has to be something major.

 

[LaP]

If number 7 and 22 is enough to draft Michkov then there's a bunch of morons managing NHL hockey teams.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Flyers are earlier in their rebuild than we are.

Only explanation that I see is their internal rankings. They either sense a significant drop off after Michkov (top 5) or they have clearly bought into Michkov being the 2nd best player in a premium draft and they’re willing to overlook the other factors. And since they are at the very start of their rebuild, they’re willing to wait for him.

Could also be they have particular actionable intel that other teams don’t.

For them to want to go all out, there has to be something major.

I think Michkov fits in perfectly with our timeline, as when we finally become competetive, here comes this potential star on his ELC. If would be of great benefit to us.

This is a positive. Not the opposite.

And ofcourse there's a significant drop off WE ALL know that, hence making passing even more perplexing.

 

[Nedved]

NHL insiders: really hard to get access to Michkov

Habs fans: hold my beer while I grab my mini-hockey stick

get the general over here and draft this jr. rank.

 

[Runner77]

Maybe Michkov is wearing heels. Just saying.

Gotta be Elvis elevator shoes since they’re in Tennessee.

First thing his agent ordered for him via express delivery from Graceland.

 

[Andrei79]

Two things I don't understand regarding Michkov.

They love Smith, but Michkov has many of the same attributes and is honestly more skilled.

They don't like that they can't control his development, but they traded excellent assets for Dach and Newhook, players they had no control over for 3-4 years, but were even mismanaged. It's not like SKA doesn't produce great NHLers. I'm reviewing tape and honestly at some point you don't draft personality, you draft talent.

It's less than 24 hours from the draft and I guess I've arrived at my final decision, which would be Michkov.

 

[Kennerback]

If number 7 and 22 is enough to draft Michkov then there's a bunch of morons managing NHL hockey teams.

Flyers have maybe been la crème de la crème of draft morons in the past decade. Apparently they’re smartening up a bit with Brière. Capitals will need to pull another rabbit out of a hat.

 

[Nedved]

I think we walk home with Michkov or Carlsson tomorrow. Michkov is going to be a superstar.

 

[Habsfan18]

IF we don’t want Michkov (which I think would be a mistake)..we better hope Philly doesn’t call our bluff.

Because yeah, in a scenario that Philly desperately wants to guarantee the chance to draft Michkov, something like 7, 22 and Foerster would be a f***ing great trade for us if we’re planning on drafting Leonard or Reinbacher anyways.

BUT, if Briere is smart…wouldn’t he realize that’s completely unnecessary? If Montreal is contemplating trading the pick in the first place, that’s proof right there we aren’t in on Michkov. And Arizona sure as hell isn’t taking him.

So the more I think about it…why would Briere give up that much when the player he wants is probably going to be there at 7?

I suppose this way guarantees another team can’t swoop in at 5 or 6 to steal him, but still..if i’m Briere I’d be really hesitant to give up that much when I could possibly stand pat and still end up with the player.

If I’m Hughes though, I’m absolutely planting as many seeds as possible. You want to move up to guarantee the selection…you’re going to pay. Just hope they don’t call our bluff.

 

[ViD]

It's not like SKA doesn't produce great NHLers. I'm reviewing tape and honestly at some point you don't draft personality, you draft talent.

Vancouver just got a fella from SKA for free and he scored 40 goals somehow :/

 

[Runner77]

I think Michkov fits in perfectly with our timeline, as when we finally become competetive, here comes this potential star on his ELC. If would be of great benefit to us.

This is a positive. Not the opposite.

And ofcourse there's a significant drop off WE ALL know that, hence making passing even more perplexing.

That’s not the point though.

You were asking from a Flyers’ perspective. We already know your views from a Habs’ POV.

I beg to differ as we don’t know where the drop off is — it could be different for different teams. Take Leonard for instance or some other player, some teams may not view it as a top 5 and a drop off but as a top 6 or top 7, followed by a drop off. Philly’s rankings might be telling a different story.

If Philly is scrambling so hard for Michkov, let them overpay. Their 2 first rounders are certainly not enough — especially that if Hughes does not wish to draft Michkov, there are multiple suitors who may have to overbid in order to win him.

 

[stanley25]

So Matvey Michkov's contract with SKA from the little I found online is as follows :

Past years:
2021/22: 5 million rubles with SKA / 2.5 million rubles with VHL or MHL.
2022/23: 10m SKA/5m VHL/MHL

Upcoming years:
2023/24: 15m SKA(175,650.00 usd)/7.5m VHL/MHL
2024/25: 25m SKA (292750.00 usd) / 12.5m VHL/MHL
2025/26: 30M SKA (351300.00 usd)/ 15m VHL/MHL

As an 18yr old going to the nhl he can sign an ELC for a max of 3 years at 950000.00 usd + can get performance bonuses of up to 3.5mil so a total of 4.45 mil.

It would therefore cost him 819,700.00 usd to buy out his KHL contract and would mean he'd profit at a minimum 2,030,300$ usd in 3 years even if he doesn't earn a single bonus and 12,530,300$ usd if he earms them all if he does so. That's quite a difference curious if they offer a payment plan haha

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The risk is extremely overstated. I just don't understand.

A few things:

1. I’ve heard Mich is only willing to interview with some teams and not others. If true, that’s a red flag.

2. The team won’t have control over his development. That’s a concern.

3. Geopolitical stuff.

The interview will likely be important factor in their decision. Assuming it went well, I hope we take the risk.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Two things I don't understand regarding Michkov.

They love Smith, but Michkov has many of the same attributes and is honestly more skilled.

They don't like that they can't control his development, but they traded excellent assets for Dach and Newhook, players they had no control over for 3-4 years, but were even mismanaged. It's not like SKA doesn't produce great NHLers. I'm reviewing tape and honestly at some point you don't draft personality, you draft talent.

It's less than 24 hours from the draft and I guess I've arrived at my final decision, which would be Michkov.

The amount of meme potential is off the charts and on an NHL level already with Will Smith, while Michkov had ECHL potential in that are.

Smith's XM/60 is at about a 2, 2.1, while Michkov's is at a .02!

OTXM/ Game
Smith - .4
Michkov - slow low i didnt even track it.

XM = Expect Meme
OTXM = Other Team's Expected Meme

He's just not a good meme candidate.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Flyers have maybe been la crème de la crème of draft morons in the past decade. Apparently they’re smartening up a bit with Brière. Capitals will need to pull another rabbit out of a hat.

Maybe they can trade us Caufield for the 5th. Oh wait…

 

[Habsfan18]

But boy oh boy, if we do end up with Michkov, this will have been an all-time smokescreen.

 

[SlafySZN]

So it answer our question.

Michkov is 5’10 for real

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

So Matvey Michkov's contract with SKA from the little I found online is as follows :

Past years:
2021/22: 5 million rubles with SKA / 2.5 million rubles with VHL or MHL.
2022/23: 10m SKA/5m VHL/MHL

Upcoming years:
2023/24: 15m SKA(175,650.00 usd)/7.5m VHL/MHL
2024/25: 25m SKA (292750.00 usd) / 12.5m VHL/MHL
2025/26: 30M SKA (351300.00 usd)/ 15m VHL/MHL

As an 18yr old going to the nhl he can sign an ELC for a max of 3 years at 950000.00 usd + can get performance bonuses of up to 3.5mil so a total of 4.45 mil.

It would therefore cost him 819,700.00 usd to buy out his KHL contract and would mean he'd profit at a minimum 2,030,300$ usd in 3 years even if he doesn't earn a single bonus and 12,530,300$ usd if he earms them all. That's quite a difference.

If he was sent down to MHL/VHL and wanted to buy his contract out, would that make it less for him, they'd still go with his KHL salary, or not sure as it's rather random ?