GDT: 2023 Trade Deadline

[Triumph]

Vegas has some intriguing goalie prospects. They don’t seem to regard first rounders with zeal. I could see a package of one of the goalies SJ loves, a first, and Cormier getting the deal done given what SJ is looking to do.

Fitz has done a good job with this negotiation drawn out. But I can see the burning push and desire to add Meier. As of now there really isn’t an ideal forward fit appearing on availability radar in next two seasons and while that could change this is probably the best chance. SJ had been forcibly adamant about getting Nemec or Mercer in deal and they are buckling down to an asset based package in return. Mercer never made any realistic sense whatsoever as we all know.

Unless a dark horse jumps in last minute, this has Devils written on it. Future cap, Bratt, bottom line makeovers will be priorities this off-season. That’s Fitzs problem to juggle. Not ours.

So your contention is that from the Devils, a team loaded with prospects at virtually every position, San Jose wants Mercer, but from Vegas, their division rival, they want a goalie, the least valuable prospects that there are, who are almost never anything close to a centerpiece in a deal like this?

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I think they are the back up option if talks with us break down.

Also to keep us from dropping the price by being all that's left

My guess is NJ came out of the gate hot and agressive with basically what we've been suggesting is the package, SJ tried to get someone (Carolina) to pay up for Meier hypothetically extended but didn't take the bait. So basically the market Grier wanted never materialized and NJ's got this with Vegas price enforcing.

 

[Traitor Zach]

Sharks have a slow painful rebuild ahead of them and with veteran glut still next few years on some players. Likely looking at least at 3-4 years of sustained losing. Trading Meier to Vegas is not as big a deal as some people are making it out to be. Honestly if Vegas is offering unprotected firsts in 2024 and 2025, that’s got some temptation.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Sharks have a slow painful rebuild ahead of them and with veteran glut still next few years on some players. Likely looking at least at 3-4 years of sustained losing. Trading Meier to Vegas is not as big a deal as some people are making it out to be. Honestly if Vegas is offering unprotected firsts in 2024 and 2025, that’s got some temptation.

They would be out of their minds to offer that.

 

[JrFischer54]

We will never know the offers but if I’m a gm and I know it’s pretty slim chance of surviving a rebuild if a division rival is offering me a lot bigger return then out of division team I take the divisional trade.

 

[Emperoreddy]

My guess is NJ came out of the gate hot and agressive with basically what we've been suggesting is the package, SJ tried to get someone (Carolina) to pay up for Meier hypothetically extended but didn't take the bait. So basically the market Grier wanted never materialized and NJ's got this with Vegas price enforcing.

They definitely were hoping they could break us into sending them Mercer but they lost that battle

 

[NJDevs26]

Sharks have a slow painful rebuild ahead of them and with veteran glut still next few years on some players. Likely looking at least at 3-4 years of sustained losing. Trading Meier to Vegas is not as big a deal as some people are making it out to be. Honestly if Vegas is offering unprotected firsts in 2024 and 2025, that’s got some temptation.

Do they know that yet?

 

[Hisch13r]

They would be out of their minds to offer that.

And Vegas is out of their minds.

 

[JrFischer54]

Sharks have a slow painful rebuild ahead of them and with veteran glut still next few years on some players. Likely looking at least at 3-4 years of sustained losing. Trading Meier to Vegas is not as big a deal as some people are making it out to be. Honestly if Vegas is offering unprotected firsts in 2024 and 2025, that’s got some temptation.

I don’t think unprotected firsts when your such a lock for the playoffs is a big return.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Do they know that yet?

How could they not? Their prospect pool is totally barren

 

[Traitor Zach]

They would be out of their minds to offer that.

They would. But they don’t have sufficient upper echelon prospects. They’ve done some crazy things in their short history. Can’t rule it out per se. Eichel supposedly has been very vocal internally pushing for big forward add.

It’s why I’d feel comfortable we are in the lead on this.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Do they know that yet?

With almost no real insights here I feel like Grier does based on the Burns trade and the fact that he's even trading Meier in the first place but the owner doesn't. Owner is an absentee billionaire who seems generally aloof based on whenever i come across his quotes.

 

[NJDevs26]

How could they not? Their prospect pool is totally barren

I'm still tempted to think in their deluded minds they're not offering an extension as part of a trade because they think they might be able to re-sign him in a year and a half.

 

[MauDevils]

Sharks have a slow painful rebuild ahead of them and with veteran glut still next few years on some players. Likely looking at least at 3-4 years of sustained losing. Trading Meier to Vegas is not as big a deal as some people are making it out to be. Honestly if Vegas is offering unprotected firsts in 2024 and 2025, that’s got some temptation.

A late first in 2025 does not sound tempting at all.

 

[Devs3cups]

I don’t think unprotected firsts when your such a lock for the playoffs is a big return.

After the Sharks shat the bed and gave Ottawa a top-3 pick, I’m sure teams are more careful.

 

[Traitor Zach]

Do they know that yet?

I think Grier really does. He alluded to it at the draft last year in interviews because of their aging out of veteran group and cap mess inherited. It’s why they’re trying to dump Karlsson too if they can and Couture will be next. Hertl they are likely stuck with and he’s stuck with the for few years to come.

 

[Hisch13r]

After the Sharks shitting the bed and giving Ottawa a top-3 pick, I’m sure teams are more careful.

I imagine almost all teams would be. Vegas is the outlier of outliers. They'd do it. Could just be the paranoia but I feel like Vegas is throwing something absurd here and could definitely get him

 

[Devs3cups]

I imagine almost all teams would be. Vegas is the outlier of outliers. They'd do it. Could just be the paranoia but I feel like Vegas is throwing something absurd here and could definitely get him

If that’s what happens, then so be it. I’m lowkey tired of thinking about this lol. I still think we’re the favourites.

 

[Triumph]

They would be out of their minds to offer that.

No they wouldn't. They don't have anything else.

There aren't enough teams who do what the Islanders and Panthers are doing. There is a point in a team's arc where teams should be liquidating every 1st round pick they can if it can help the team. It isn't always possible, but for someone like Vegas who is more than willing to trade guys like Pacioretty, they should be doing that.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I'm still tempted to think in their deluded minds they're not offering an extension as part of a trade because they think they might be able to re-sign him in a year and a half.

Good luck with that then, no way that happens.

 

[captainscott12]

Sounds to me that SJ, wants Mercer. That’s a big no for me. Not sure about anyone else?

its a no for me. I was getting a little down on mercer but he may just have that "it" factor. and I can see him being one of those guys that may or may not have amazing regular seasons but really step it up in playoffs and clutch situations as he has recently.. no on mercer.

im good with a

first
shorongovich, or holtz or bovquist
and any defensive propsect except hughes and nemec.

 

[Emperoreddy]

 

[Lou is God]

I'll tell you what the Vegas entry has done - all of a sudden our packages minus Mercer looks appetizing to Shark fans, unless Vegas offers a kings ransom, they're pretty scared about sending Meier to Vegas.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

If I were Vegas I'd definitely trade my first round pick for pure rentals and tell Mark Stone he's gonna be on IR until the playoffs again. That probably lowers the price they'd pay for Meier compared to us but they can add a lot of salary with that plan, apparently almost 9m worth.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I'll tell you what the Vegas entry has done - all of a sudden our packages minus Mercer looks appetizing to Shark fans, unless Vegas offers a kings ransom, they're pretty scared about sending Meier to Vegas.

And that Mercer dream is dead and buried. They were forced to abandon that delusion.