GDT: 2023 Trade Deadline

[NJDevs26]

Holtz Casey and the 30th OA doesn't sound like an amazing package. Not with Holtz being unable to crack the lineup(and play like poop when he does).

Except people were talking up Casey as the next big thing a month ago here, so it might be a bigger package than you think.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Except people were talking up Casey as the next big thing a month ago here, so it might be a bigger package than you think.

It’s completely subjective. SJS may not like either of them and maybe they love one of our other prospects.

 

[glenwo2]

@Bleedred

Someone photoshop this!

 

[Emperoreddy]

I'm not going to say they are not serious contenders, but without the extension part of this and knowing if he'll sign, I think that's a pretty sizeable risk by Buffalo for a team that is squarely on the playoff bubble this year.

They also have bigger needs on the back end and in net

 

[Eggtimer]

The Buffalo shit is just that … shit. A rebuilding team on the cusp is not going to give up key assets on a rental , when they dint even knkw if they will make the playoffs , and if they do m they are going to get destroyed by Boston. Why give up a 1st and two very good prospects for 4/5 playoff games IF they make it in ?
And why pay a winger 8-9 mil for 8 years when you have too many winger prospects as it is and good potential that numerous prospects will be as good or better than Meier ? Why trade that away ? Cost controlled home grown talent . No way they trade for Meier.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

5 year's and higher AAV?

Yeah i mean 10m x 1 is the baseline something I think NJ should be willing to do, 9.5m x 5 is probably better than 9.5m x 8 imo if that's the rumored AAV it will take.

 

[Devs3cups]

 

[Whaddagoal]

About 7 pages

In the grand scheme of things, not too much!

 

[MasterofGrond]

Getting a young 40+ goal power forward with giving up somewhat expendable pieces is awesome for us IMO

Just because we can stomach trading the assets individually, doesn't mean we should just trade them all.

If it's Holtz (or Mukh or Casey or whatever) + Zetts/Rango + 2023 1st, hammer it. But don't be out here trading 5 young pieces for a guy who has never once been PPG

 

[Emperoreddy]

 

[Better Call Sal]

Downplaying Holtz as a prospect and player is extremely unfair. He's coming off a point per game season in the AHL and he's barely averaged above 10 minutes of ice time this season here. His usage hasn't exactly been ideal.

He is just 21 years old. He should be someone that a rebuilding team sees as a player who could thrive with more opportunity. Conversely for us where our window to compete has opened up here, Meier fits us perfectly and ideally is what Holtz can become in his prime.

 

[njdevils1982]

Salmon eggs. sour cream is alternative topping. Or nutella.


Sour cream.... sour feelings... may be I understand now. the case is closed.

 

[Devs3cups]

lmfao

 

[devilsblood]

Holtz is, even today after we’ve spent all season jerking him around, a top-50ish prospect. Mukh is a recent first who’s playing quite well in the KHL. Casey is having a very fine year I’m the ncaa despite not getting that much opportunity behind guys like Luke. A first is a first and whatever.

I’m fine giving up some of these assets. I’m not fine giving up all of these assets or two firsts or whatever the “stupid” price would be.

Holtz might be a top 50 prospect amongst writers, but like our coaching staff, another team might look at him and say, I'm not sure about this guy. Or look at Casey and say, limited potential impact given his size.

And this years #1, again, it's closer to the 40th then it is to the lottery. Sure it's a1st rounder, but it's a very low 1st rounder.

 

[GeNeXt]

I haven’t felt this much doom about a trade since we made the Schneider trade. Meier is fine for a cup run, but I don’t like the long-term implications of this if it costs us Bratt or Mercer down the road.

Meier is a wildly inconsistent player. His 23 and 24 year old seasons he regressed off his 22 year old season. Last year, he put up 40% of his goals in just 6 games. As a whole, the last two seasons that he's been productive, scoring has been up in the league and someone has to produce on bad teams given prime minutes.

While he is what the doctor ordered for help on the interior, I just don’t think it costs that much to fill that need- both in assets and cap space. Also, Meier is not going to age well. He’s a pretty sluggish skater at 26. This is the makings to be a Lucic esque contract… a heavy player brought in to provide some scoring touch/power for a young Connor McDavid, but dropped off a cliff at 29/30 years of age.

I also just don’t like the boat load of lefties the team will have, considering two of our right handed shooters (Zetterlund and Holtz), with both arguably having shots on par with Meier’s, may go the other way. If we had an inkling Meier was going to be an option for us at some point, we should not have pursued Palat.

 

[NJDevs26]

Downplaying Holtz as a prospect and player is extremely unfair. He's coming off a point per game season in the AHL and he's barely averaged above 10 minutes of ice time this season here. His usage hasn't exactly been ideal.

He is just 21 years old. He should be someone that a rebuilding team sees as a player who could thrive with more opportunity. Conversely for us where our window to compete has opened up here, Meier fits us perfectly and ideally is what Holtz can become in his prime.

While I agree with you, it seems like Grier probably agrees with the cynics re: Holtz. Which would leave us holding the bag and trading him for peanuts later on if he never gets a real shot here.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Downplaying Holtz as a prospect and player is extremely unfair. He's coming off a point per game season in the AHL and he's barely averaged above 10 minutes of ice time this season here. His usage hasn't exactly been ideal.

He is just 21 years old. He should be someone that a rebuilding team sees as a player who could thrive with more opportunity. Conversely for us where our window to compete has opened up here, Meier fits us perfectly and ideally is what Holtz can become in his prime.

He’s lost his shine and has struggled. Every team may see it differently but there are very reasonable concerns with his skating that could hold him back. It’s not just that he hasn’t taken off yet.

I wouldn’t say a team should see him in the way you’re describing. Some may see that way others may not be as high on him. Where would he realistically go in a redraft?

 

[NJDevs26]

Hiding him here all year probably didn't help vis-a-vis how other teams perceive Holtz, he may well have more value if he was tearing it up in the AHL most of the year instead of eating hot dogs in the scratch box here.

 

[devilsblood]

Downplaying Holtz as a prospect and player is extremely unfair. He's coming off a point per game season in the AHL and he's barely averaged above 10 minutes of ice time this season here. His usage hasn't exactly been ideal.

He is just 21 years old. He should be someone that a rebuilding team sees as a player who could thrive with more opportunity. Conversely for us where our window to compete has opened up here, Meier fits us perfectly and ideally is what Holtz can become in his prime.

But why is he playing as little as he is? It's not like this staff has been reluctant to play young players.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Downplaying Holtz as a prospect and player is extremely unfair. He's coming off a point per game season in the AHL and he's barely averaged above 10 minutes of ice time this season here. His usage hasn't exactly been ideal.

He is just 21 years old. He should be someone that a rebuilding team sees as a player who could thrive with more opportunity. Conversely for us where our window to compete has opened up here, Meier fits us perfectly and ideally is what Holtz can become in his prime.

Who is down playing him? San Jose is getting a really good piece

 

[devilsblood]

Hiding him here all year probably didn't help vis-a-vis how other teams perceive Holtz, he may well have more value if he was tearing it up in the AHL most of the year instead of eating hot dogs in the scratch box here.

This is certainly true.

 

[AfroThunder396]

I'm not going to say they are not serious contenders, but without the extension part of this and knowing if he'll sign, I think that's a pretty sizeable risk by Buffalo for a team that is squarely on the playoff bubble this year.

Oh I definitely agree, they aren’t going to trade for him and should be focusing their attention elsewhere. But they clearly want to be aggressive this deadline and that may affect prices.

 

[Devs3cups]

Holtz is still a very good prospect. His skating is fine and that take is sort of played out tbh. What he needs to improve is the way he processes the game with and without the puck at the NHL level.

How will he improve that? With experience and playing time.

 

[devilsblood]

Who is down playing him? San Jose is getting a really good piece

Admittedly I'm downplaying him, but only in respects to what we are giving up to get a player like Meier.

 

[jkrdevil]

Prospects are like cars, they continue to devalue (for the most part) once you draft them until they hit.

I think Holtz’s value right now is that of a late first. He is still close enough to his draft and had good (but not great) lower level production to still have value as a potential NHL player. But he doesn’t have top-10 pick value anymore.

But the alternative choices in a trade from another team is likely a late first who is longer away than Holtz.