WJC: 2023 Team Canada Roster Talk Part 2

[ORRFForever]

Old geezer rippin on high schoolers for picking the pick up on their stick. A new low.

Yup. And don't forget, your minimum wage job also pays for my fat boomer pension so...

Work hard, kid. Wash those dishes because this old man needs an easy retirement.

And, every time your boss yells at you in the coming years, and you HATE your job, remember to keep working hard so I can enjoy my golden years.

 

[jj cale]

O.K,, let's get back on board as just fans of Team Canada here young and old, we are becoming as splintered as the teams effort the other night.

We gotta get things going in the right direction starting today.

 

[Daximus]

Once again, trying a legit scoring opportunity is not “selfish”.

I’ve asked a few times now with no answers… do you consider ankle breaking dekes through the whole team as “selfish and show boating”?

I think there is always options. Was it a legit opportunity? Sure. Was it the best option at the time? Maybe. But it 100% wasn't the only option. Sometimes keeping it simple is the best way to go about it.

In the end though no matter what you do, you just have to make sure it works. There's a difference in perception when you try something like a michigan or try to weave your way through 4 defenders and it not working vs. trying to setup a teammate and it not working. One looks more selfish than the other and is generally going to be a less favourable outcome. Going for the glory play because you want to be on the TSN highlight real isn't always the best option.

The best team Canada teams that have ever been assembled have been a cohesive unit working off each other and out working the opponents. Wearing them down and creating opporutnities for everyone instead of just one or two players. The worst teams we have brought to these tournaments have been players trying to do everything themselves and in the end getting nothing done. I thought the team looked a lot better later on in the game when they cut the individualistic stuff and just hemmed the Czechs in their zone and worked the puck around. Did you see how tired they were trying to defend that at the end? That is how you win this tournament.

 

[yessir29292]

Yup. And don't forget, your minimum wage job also pays for my fat boomer pension so...

Work hard, kid. Wash those dishes because this old man needs an easy retirement.

And, every time your boss yells at you in the coming years, and you HATE your job, remember to keep working hard so I can enjoy my golden years.

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My own boss. Hopefully your kids let you have a laptop in your retirement home so you can keep making unrelated memes for Team Canadas board.

 

[oldunclehue]

I really believe it came down to being prepared to play the game....I think they saw the Czec team as a soft start. A way to show off how offensively talented the Canadian team is and it showed. Once down in the game, then the 5 minute penalty, Czec closed off the scoring chances and clogged up the middle. Canada didn't have an answer.

I blame the most of it on the coach, obviously didn't have a read on the room and didn't adapt to the game as the team struggled to make individual plays.

I believe we will see a different team tonight and a dominating performance by the Canadians.

If we lose to Germany...has a HC of Team Canada ever been fired mid-tournament?

 

[ORRFForever]

O.K,, let's get back on board as just fans of Team Canada here young and old, we are becoming as splintered as the teams effort the other night.

We gotta get things going in the right direction starting today.

Sorry, JJ. Last one and then I am going to the pool for the afternoon...

Hey Yessir...

When you finally retire, after years of busting your hump to pay for my fat boomer retirement, and you find out the government is broke and there is nothing left for your generation, I hope you remember that I had a GREAT RETIREMENT...

NOW GET BACK TO WORK !!!!

 

[jj cale]

Sorry, JJ. Last one and then I am going to the pool for the afternoon...

Hey Yessir...

When you finally retire, after years of busting your hump to pay for my fat boomer retirement, and you find out the government is broke and there is nothing left for your generation, I hope you remember that I had a GREAT RETIREMENT...

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NOW GET BACK TO WORK !!!!

Lot's of kraft dinner and luncheon meat sandwiches to look forward to for this guy.

 

[Mathieukferland]

I really believe it came down to being prepared to play the game....I think they saw the Czec team as a soft start. A way to show off how offensively talented the Canadian team is and it showed. Once down in the game, then the 5 minute penalty, Czec closed off the scoring chances and clogged up the middle. Canada didn't have an answer.

I blame the most of it on the coach, obviously didn't have a read on the room and didn't adapt to the game as the team struggled to make individual plays.

I believe we will see a different team tonight and a dominating performance by the Canadians.

If we lose to Germany...has a HC of Team Canada ever been fired mid-tournament?

A Finland coach has been fired mid tournament and replaced by a TV analyst, 2017 if I recall. Would love to see Jeff O’Neill and Stéphane Leroux behind the bench

 

[nbwingsfan]

I think there is always options. Was it a legit opportunity? Sure. Was it the best option at the time? Maybe. But it 100% wasn't the only option. Sometimes keeping it simple is the best way to go about it.

In the end though no matter what you do, you just have to make sure it works. There's a difference in perception when you try something like a michigan or try to weave your way through 4 defenders and it not working vs. trying to setup a teammate and it not working. One looks more selfish than the other and is generally going to be a less favourable outcome. Going for the glory play because you want to be on the TSN highlight real isn't always the best option.

The best team Canada teams that have ever been assembled have been a cohesive unit working off each other and out working the opponents. Wearing them down and creating opporutnities for everyone instead of just one or two players. The worst teams we have brought to these tournaments have been players trying to do everything themselves and in the end getting nothing done. I thought the team looked a lot better later on in the game when they cut the individualistic stuff and just hemmed the Czechs in their zone and worked the puck around. Did you see how tired they were trying to defend that at the end? That is how you win this tournament.

And sometimes “keeping it simple” isn’t the best option either.

What’s to say a pass out front isn’t intercepted, turned back the other way, and resulting in a goal against?

Point being, trying to score a “fancy” (Or however you want to put it) doesn’t mean you’re just trying to make a highlight real or trying to embarrass your opponent. It could simply be that you just thought it was your best chance to help the team.

I’m going to go ahead and say Bedard is a better judge of that than anyone posting on a message board when most of you have likely never even really played hockey.

 

[bobber]

Old geezer rippin on high schoolers for picking the pick up on their stick. A new low. Misery at its finest.

Picking the pick up? Even a Geezer can come up with a better description than that. I say call it a "Michigan". Love it. Great move if it works. If it doesn't and you lose to an inferior opponent it's called show boating. We all like to see something new added to the game. Gretzky and Orr changed the game in their days.

 

[Rob]

I'm glad TC is playing Germany tonight and not Austria. The Germans should at least pose some problems with their defensive minded play. Austria will just be a turkey shoot.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

I mean that has been a dumb thing TSN has been doing for a number of years now. It isn't that deep and hasn't negatively effected the team in the past because it is just a goal song lol

Maybe I didn't notice it in the past but it struck me as arrogance when I heard it in the lead up to this game - like there was no way they could lose to the Czechs so let's talk about the new song that will be played every time Canada scores. Maybe it bothered me more than it bothered others.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

And sometimes “keeping it simple” isn’t the best option either.

What’s to say a pass out front isn’t intercepted, turned back the other way, and resulting in a goal against?

Point being, trying to score a “fancy” (Or however you want to put it) doesn’t mean you’re just trying to make a highlight real or trying to embarrass your opponent. It could simply be that you just thought it was your best chance to help the team.

I’m going to go ahead and say Bedard is a better judge of that than anyone posting on a message board when most of you have likely never even really played hockey.

In fairness, multiple players from the team have come out and said they were trying to be too fancy and need to get back to playing a more simple, straight-forward game to win.

It's not just "message board warriors" who are being critical of the "fancy" plays.

 

[nbwingsfan]

In fairness, multiple players from the team have come out and said they were trying to be too fancy and need to get back to playing a more simple, straight-forward game to win.

It's not just "message board warriors" who are being critical of the "fancy" plays.

Yes I’m not saying Canada played a good game, that much is obvious.

But posters here screaming they need to just play dump and chase hockey and remove all creativity is just ridiculous and takes away all advantages in skill that Canada has over the opposition.

Just because a player attempts a high skill/difficulty play doesn’t mean they were simply showboating and trying to embarrass the other team.

There’s a happy medium between both.

 

[Daximus]

And sometimes “keeping it simple” isn’t the best option either.

What’s to say a pass out front isn’t intercepted, turned back the other way, and resulting in a goal against?

Point being, trying to score a “fancy” (Or however you want to put it) doesn’t mean you’re just trying to make a highlight real or trying to embarrass your opponent. It could simply be that you just thought it was your best chance to help the team.

I’m going to go ahead and say Bedard is a better judge of that than anyone posting on a message board when most of you have likely never even really played hockey.

Bold to assume no one has played hockey on a hockey message board. Although it's very likely true that Bedard is currently better than any of us could hope to be. It doesn't mean he's free from criticism for some of his decisions or that he can't make mistakes. Putting someone on a pedastal like that is never a good thing.

I'm willing to bet we don't see another player attempt a michigan from team canada for the rest of the tournament. They tried it 3 times in game 1 and I think it was Othmann almost went for it for a 4th time but opted to pass it around to the point instead. The coach doesn't seem to have liked it, the players all commented on it already, Not sure why anyone in here is still defending it when the team has already said their peace on the matter and it goes against everything you are saying here.

Yes I’m not saying Canada played a good game, that much is obvious.

But posters here screaming they need to just play dump and chase hockey and remove all creativity is just ridiculous and takes away all advantages in skill that Canada has over the opposition.

Just because a player attempts a high skill/difficulty play doesn’t mean they were simply showboating and trying to embarrass the other team.

There’s a happy medium between both.

We have won countless golds already without ever scoring a michigan goal. I think we will be just fine never trying it again.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Bold to assume no one has played hockey on a hockey message board. Although it's very likely true that Bedard is currently better than any of us could hope to be. It doesn't mean he's free from criticism for some of his decisions or that he can't make mistakes. Putting someone on a pedastal like that is never a good thing.

I'm willing to bet we don't see another player attempt a michigan from team canada for the rest of the tournament. They tried it 3 times in game 1 and I think it was Othmann almost went for it for a 4th time but opted to pass it around to the point instead. The coach doesn't seem to have liked it, the players all commented on it already, Not sure why anyone in here is still defending it when the team has already said their peace on the matter and it goes against everything you are saying here.



We have won countless golds already without ever scoring a michigan goal. I think we will be just fine never trying it again.

That’s awesome.

We have posters here saying play “dump and chase” hockey and remove all creativity.

There’s a huge difference between don’t do Michigan and play dump and chase hockey. There’s a middle ground people can’t seem to see.

This obsession with the Michigan somehow being some catalyst for the loss is ridiculous. It’s literally no different than a player trying a deke that failed. It’s meaningless.

 

[JackSlater]

Maybe I didn't notice it in the past but it struck me as arrogance when I heard it in the lead up to this game - like there was no way they could lose to the Czechs so let's talk about the new song that will be played every time Canada scores. Maybe it bothered me more than it bothered others.

TSN has been talking about the goal song before the tournament for at least five years. It's dumb but I don't think it indicates much of anything.

 

[Daximus]

That’s awesome.

We have posters here saying play “dump and chase” hockey and remove all creativity.

There’s a huge difference between don’t do Michigan and play dump and chase hockey. There’s a middle ground people can’t seem to see.

This obsession with the Michigan somehow being some catalyst for the loss is ridiculous. It’s literally no different than a player trying a deke that failed. It’s meaningless.

In the end it's more the fact it's got a lot of flair to it. Generally you make waves when you score a michigan goal even though it's becoming more common. It kind of exacerbates and becomes the focal point of the problem the team was having with to many guys trying to do to much themselves and not playing as a cohesive unit. If not for those plays people would probably be calling out the players choices of trying to deke through 3 or 4 guys more. It just not indicative of a team that has an identity and knows what it wants to do as a group. Instead it just showed that they were kind of all over the place and no one really knows whats going on and there's a serious lack of chemistry going on. Ultimately though this all falls on coaching. This team was not playing well together at all and the coaching did not get them prepared for the game against the Czechs well enough.

The team has to just focus on playing solidly with each other or they aren't going to win against the better teams in this tournament.

 

[canuck2010]

Just for the record I haven't mentioned the words dump and chase however there is still a time and place for that tactic.

I am all in favour of tinkering with the lines. I would like to see Othmann and Wright stay together with Guenther added to the right side. Bedard wants the puck on his stick so he needs to play with people who can get it to him. I like him lined up with Stankoven and a left winger who doesn't have to be a big goal scorer to be effective. I don't think Fantilli is the guy right now so maybe Ostapchuk can provide the additional hardness on the puck.

Of course I'm referring to the over 50 version of Team Canada, 30 to 40 year olds may have their own idea and of course we can assume that under 30's will have a different lineup all together.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

Good thing there's a game today - hopefully the comment section reset button gets pushed.

 

[Mathieukferland]

Just for the record I haven't mentioned the words dump and chase however there is still a time and place for that tactic.

I am all in favour of tinkering with the lines. I would like to see Othmann and Wright stay together with Guenther added to the right side. Bedard wants the puck on his stick so he needs to play with people who can get it to him. I like him lined up with Stankoven and a left winger who doesn't have to be a big goal scorer to be effective. I don't think Fantilli is the guy right now so maybe Ostapchuk can provide the additional hardness on the puck.

Of course I'm referring to the over 50 version of Team Canada, 30 to 40 year olds may have their own idea and of course we can assume that under 30's will have a different lineup all together.

Under 30 team Canada Michigan lacrosse move fuel edition

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Gunnar-Rebel-Jaxton
Ocean-Mavrick-Jaxx
Jaydon-Haydon-Braydon

Baylyn-Nathanuël
Xander-Layden
Laylen-Haylen

Dannick
Jeannick
Raxxyn

 

[Czechboy]

Anyone know how to watch the HC vs Czechia game on TSN:
I cannot find the game vs Czechnia??

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[Czechboy]

Question for fans of "the Michigan", if the player on offense hits the goalie in the face with his stick is it high sticking? It should be, right?

I legit wondered this too!

The one that Spacek didn't hit the stick with clearly hit Suchanek in the face with his stick.. now is that Suchanek headbutting his stick to make a save (great play) or is that stick contact to the face and a high stick? Because there seem to be two ways to stop the Michigan. One is what Spacek did.. slash the stick below the crossbar and the other is for the goalie to get his face in the way.

For those of you that are still upset about the Michigan.. Kulich had an absolutely pathetic attempt at one against Austria last night. Benak (you'll hear about him in 2 years) did one at the U17 challenge. It's a hockey play now. A good one because it means you had possession and are 200 feet from your goalie. I've never seen a failed Michigan attempt result in a goal against.lol I'd say a guy coming in on a 2 on 1 and wiring a hard shot and missing wide and it ringing around the boards is a much worse play for instance.

 

[Czechboy]

I haven't thought about Group B but Group A looks right.

Let's not get crazy here.lol

ONLY reason the standings look like they do today is becasue Czechs and Swedes have played 2 games and one of them against Austria (no offence to our beautiful neighbors). Canada finishing 3rd in a pool?lol

Same reason I don't type jokes like 'our goalie has more points than Bedard'.lol Czechs play Swedes tomorrow so one of them is losing while Canada has Germany and Austria next. It's going to be a good finish on New Years Eve and no ONE in Pool B wants to play Canada in a Quarter. It's my fav part of the pools... we don't have to play Canada in the quarters.lol

 

[canuck2010]

Under 30 team Canada Michigan lacrosse move fuel edition

Jaxxyn-Baedan-Pierrick
Gunnar-Rebel-Jaxton
Ocean-Mavrick-Jaxx
Jaydon-Haydon-Braydon

Baylyn-Nathanuël
Xander-Layden
Laylen-Haylen

Dannick
Jeannick
Raxxyn

It looks strong! I just want the win.