2023 Tank Thread (Mod post Page 60)

[GunnarStahl]

Since it seems the Ducks will likely finish bottom 5 this year, I figured we should have a thread for discussing the implications of where the f***s will finish in the standings. As well as what factors could affect where they finish.

Tonight was interesting as all bottom 5 teams earned 2 points sans the Ducks and the Hawks.

Hey Folks,

Want to clear some of the air here, Tank talk is not an issue, please talk tank to your heart’s content here, totally understand how critical it is for that Future Potential Top pick. The issue is posting in the GDT, like you want the team to lose or make posts that you are angry they are winning or won the game, or bashing the team for not tanking.

The main reason is, to respect your fellow members. The GDT is about discussion of the game on a live basis and then post game discussion and opinions. A lot of fans are not rooting for the team to lose, and everyone has their views and opinions towards tanking, and may not want to discuss tanking in the GDT

If you guys have any concerns, feel free to PM me or another mod, and would be happy to explain more in detail.

Thanks!

Leo

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[Hockey Duckie]

I think the last four teams are cruising to the end of the season. I don't foresee any changes in the standings even though they should be possible. So fourth it is going into the lottery. The Ducks have historically dropped one spot in the lottery, but maybe this year they will have better luck.

Ducks dropping down a spot in recent lottery is very odd.

• 2019: Finished 8th; dropped to 9th after lottery.
  • NJ jumped from 3 to 1.
  • NYR jumped from 5 to 2.
  • Chicago jumped from 10th to 3rd.

• 2020: Finished 5th; dropped to 6th after lottery.
  • NYR leapfrogged from 16 to 1.
  • Kings went from 4 to 2.
  • Ottawa went from 2 to 3 and Detroit dropped from 1 to 4.

• 2021: Finished 2nd; dropped to 3rd after lottery.
  • Unlike previous years, only the top two picks were determined by the lottery, and teams were limited in how far they could rise or fall, based on their regular-season standing. This is the third time in the past 11 draft lotteries that the team with the worst record received the No. 1 pick.
  • Sabres won the lottery to stay at 1st overall.
  • Kraken hopped from 3 to 2.

That's some serious bad luck, especially in 2021 when we had better odds! Those lottery drafts were under Murray. The next year, we have a new GM in Verbeek.

• 2022: Finished 10th; stayed at 10th after lottery.
  • The Habs won the lottery to stay at 1st overall.
  • NJ jumped from 5 to 2.
  • Ari dropped from 2 to 3.

The silver lining here is we've only dropped down one during the Murray years. With the newer iteration of the lottery system, there's less movement for the past two drafts and the teams that finished last actually have won the lottery. The movers seem to be the ones with the higher odds of picks 3 and 4. This year is a great year to finish last with Bedard on the line.

 

[AngelDuck]

We would need to finish with 60 points or fewer to have any chance at all at the 1 or 2 seed. Possible, but unlikely

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Hawks have capitulated in the third period again, trail 3-1 and heading for another regulation loss. As my guy @Static said, can’t wait until this crap is over

 

[tomd]

We would need to finish with 60 points or fewer to have any chance at all at the 1 or 2 seed. Possible, but unlikely

The sad reality is that the Ducks could literally get zero points the rest of the season and still finish with the 4th worst record.

 

[AngelDuck]

God damn, we just f***ed ourselves so bad with that one little stretch of wins and OT losses. These teams aren’t catching us

The sad reality is that the Ducks could literally get zero points the rest of the season and still finish with the 4th worst record.

Beginning to look that way, though random shit can happen

 

[ADHB]

It's not even any stretch of wins. You could pinpoint one or two games we had no business getting points. For example, beating Carolina on the road (in regulation!). Heck, even being just 2-3 points lower would change the potential outcomes drastically.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I feel like based on the schedule Anaheim has 1 or 2 wins left. But its hard to see the Sharke or Hawks winning more than that also

 

[Gliff]

The late comeback win to Columbus is going to be the one that bites them in the ass.

 

[ReptilianQuack]

If not us, please let it be Columbus.

 

[Terry Yake]

It's not even any stretch of wins. You could pinpoint one or two games we had no business getting points. For example, beating Carolina on the road (in regulation!). Heck, even being just 2-3 points lower would change the potential outcomes drastically.

that win against the canes still pisses me off. f***ing gibson really screwed us over

 

[HunterDuck]

Getting 2005 vibes (not in that we pick 2nd, but that we barely miss out on a franchise changing prospect) all over again. Thanks Ducks. Hope we at least get a Cup in the next few years after the fact like the last time this happened.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So the worst we can draft is 6th more than likely?

So worst case scenario is?

Bedard
Fantilli
Carlsson
Michkov

And we get our choice between
Smith benson sale (whoever 5 doesn’t take), guess not the worst thing.

Still would feel much more comfortable at 3/4

 

[Kalv]

So the worst we can draft is 6th more than likely?

So worst case scenario is?

Bedard
Fantilli
Carlsson
Michkov

And we get our choice between
Smith benson sale (whoever 5 doesn’t take), guess not the worst thing.

Still would feel much more comfortable at 3/4

Pretty much, yes. And in this case, there'd be about a 65% chance of either a 5th or 6th pick.

Smith or Benson as the worst-case scenario is not that bad.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Getting 2005 vibes (not in that we pick 2nd, but that we barely miss out on a franchise changing prospect) all over again. Thanks Ducks. Hope we at least get a Cup in the next few years after the fact like the last time this happened.

Back then we already had the Twins in our system. This iteration, we have Terry, Zegras, and McTavish already here. It just might take a bit longer to win a Cup this time around since we're essentially building from the ground floor.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Pretty much, yes. And in this case, there'd be about a 65% chance of either a 5th or 6th pick.

Smith or Benson as the worst-case scenario is not that bad.

Agreed , as long as we don’t get to that awkward 7+ spot.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Pretty much, yes. And in this case, there'd be about a 65% chance of either a 5th or 6th pick.

Smith or Benson as the worst-case scenario is not that bad.

Going by recent patterns, since the new rules were put in place in the 2021 draft of having only two lottery draws and only the top-11 get to select per draw, the last place team has won the lottery two years in a row. That would mean the most team team can drop is one if the pattern holds.

2021 #3 Sea jumped to #2 and 2022 #5 NJ jumped to #2. It feels like the worst spot to be in is the #2 spot. So maybe...

Maybe it's better this way
We'd hurt each other with the things we'd want to say
We could have been so good together
We could have lived this dance forever
But now, who's gonna dance with me?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Agreed , as long as we don’t get to that awkward 7+ spot.

Montreal has an 8 point lead on the Ducks with the same amount of games played. Their next two games are a must follow. Tonight against Buffalo and tomorrow night against Philly. The Habs have recently beaten Pitt (6-4), TB (3-2), and Columbus (8-2). If the Habs can steal 4 points in the next two nights, then things should be looking brighter.

 

[Static]

Montreal makes it to OT to further solidify us in the top four (pre-lottery)

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Montreal wins in the shootout, the gap has hit double digits (10), and I'm calling top-4 barring one of the most historic turnarounds in history (bolded edit: am I drunk?). Where they will finish is the question.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

It's so difficult not spreading the good news when you see it, but glad it became 2 points for keeping quiet! The Mtl win is keeping us in the top-4.

 

[Fighter]

I said it before and I will repeat, after this kind of season, anything other than the 1OA (which I know, won't happen) is a failure. This season was CRAP, the worst I can recall ever, yet we're might not even get one of the first three picks. f***!

 

[Gliff]

We are now (basically) guaranteed a top 6 pick in a draft where the gap between 6 and 7 is probably as big as the gap between 7 and the mid 20s.

It's a good day.

I said it before and I will repeat, after this kind of season, anything other than the 1OA (which I know, won't happen) is a failure. This season was CRAP, the worst I can recall ever, yet we're might not even get one of the first three picks. f***!

And we still will draft the best draftee the Ducks have drafted in over 20 years.

If you want a failure of a season that was wasted look at SJ losing Stutzle for Karlsson.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

We’ve still got a chance to finish lower than 4th. Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I said it before and I will repeat, after this kind of season, anything other than the 1OA (which I know, won't happen) is a failure. This season was CRAP, the worst I can recall ever, yet we're might not even get one of the first three picks. f***!

Yup. Team was overachieving with a terrible roster all season long. When we did ditch some talent at the TDL, it didn't destroy us much like other teams that did jettison a lot of talent to cause all of them to tank harder than us.

We’ve still got a chance to finish lower than 4th. Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

All I know is that for the past two drafts, 1OA wins 1OA and 2nd OV gets leapfrogged.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I said it before and I will repeat, after this kind of season, anything other than the 1OA (which I know, won't happen) is a failure. This season was CRAP, the worst I can recall ever, yet we're might not even get one of the first three picks. f***!

What's truly amazing is Anaheim has the worst goal differential by a good amount, and yet somehow it feels impossible they will finish with the fewest points