2023 Tank Thread (Mod post Page 60)

[GunnarStahl]

Since it seems the Ducks will likely finish bottom 5 this year, I figured we should have a thread for discussing the implications of where the f***s will finish in the standings. As well as what factors could affect where they finish.

Tonight was interesting as all bottom 5 teams earned 2 points sans the Ducks and the Hawks.

Hey Folks,

Want to clear some of the air here, Tank talk is not an issue, please talk tank to your heart’s content here, totally understand how critical it is for that Future Potential Top pick. The issue is posting in the GDT, like you want the team to lose or make posts that you are angry they are winning or won the game, or bashing the team for not tanking.

The main reason is, to respect your fellow members. The GDT is about discussion of the game on a live basis and then post game discussion and opinions. A lot of fans are not rooting for the team to lose, and everyone has their views and opinions towards tanking, and may not want to discuss tanking in the GDT

If you guys have any concerns, feel free to PM me or another mod, and would be happy to explain more in detail.

Thanks!

Leo

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[Mr Rogers]

We need to pick top 5.. we just have to.. While getting Bedard would be a dream come true.. It looks like they wont be getting him.. Fantelli or Karlson are also ready to make the jump..

agree with your overall sentiment but even if we finished DFL, this would still be the case really.

 

[gilfaizon]

agree with your overall sentiment but even if we finished DFL, this would still be the case really.

Exactly. Nobody will get him until someone does.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I keep seeing references to trying to maintain a top 5 pick. Who do people think is #5 who is on par with 2-4? I've not seen any of the name analysts differ on the clear top 4.

Personally, I see any pick below #4 as a huge disappointment given the awfulness of this season.

 

[KelVarnsen]

I keep seeing references to trying to maintain a top 5 pick. Who do people think is #5 who is on par with 2-4? I've not seen any of the name analysts differ on the clear top 4.

Personally, I see any pick below #4 as a huge disappointment given the awfulness of this season.

I tend to agree. For me anything outside the top 3 would be a huge disappointment. I really want Bedard, Fantilli, or Carlsson. After that, only disappointment considering how bad this season has been.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I tend to agree. For me anything outside the top 3 would be a huge disappointment. I really want Bedard, Fantilli, or Carlsson. After that, only disappointment considering how bad this season has been.

That would be my preference as well. But I do think Michkov is a real wildcard.

Once the draft order is set, it will be real interesting to speculate on pics 2-4. After Bedard goes, who might see waiting for Michkov as a better plan than getting him immediately and having nothing to surround him with? If you're as awful as somebody like the Hawks wouldn't it almost be better to have him stashed for 3 years while you build your team back? You're not wasting his ELC years still finishing at the bottom.

So, if you're at 4 and the Hawks are above you, does Fantilli or Carlsson fall to 4? Or maybe Michov falls to you. Do you pick him at 4 or do you pass?

Exciting times! HF will be ablaze with rumors!

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

Im already shitting my shorts two months out

 

[Terry Yake]

I keep seeing references to trying to maintain a top 5 pick. Who do people think is #5 who is on par with 2-4? I've not seen any of the name analysts differ on the clear top 4.

Personally, I see any pick below #4 as a huge disappointment given the awfulness of this season.

smith and benson are both very good prospects who i wouldn't be bummed out about at all drafting at #5. of course missing out on the top 3 would f***ing suck, but getting one of those guys wouldn't be a bad consolation prize at all

and of course there's michkov who could very well drop down. i know a lot of posters here don't want anything to do with him, but talent-wise he is right up there with bedard and you don't pass that up

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

smith and benson are both very good prospects who i wouldn't be bummed out about at all drafting at #5. of course missing out on the top 3 would f***ing suck, but getting one of those guys wouldn't be a bad consolation prize at all

and of course there's michkov who could very well drop down. i know a lot of posters here don't want anything to do with him, but talent-wise he is right up there with bedard and you don't pass that up

I've got nothing against Smith or Benson but I just feel it would be a huge letdown after expecting a top 3/4 pick all year. As for Michkov he apparently is very much equal to the hype, he just has the politics hanging over his head that none of the others do.

It's definitely going to be a lively time between the lottery drawing and draft day.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I keep seeing references to trying to maintain a top 5 pick. Who do people think is #5 who is on par with 2-4? I've not seen any of the name analysts differ on the clear top 4.

Personally, I see any pick below #4 as a huge disappointment given the awfulness of this season.

just my opinion, but it's with respect to our prospect forward pool.

Current tiers

Bedard
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Michkov
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Carlsson, Fantilli
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Benson, Smith
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Right now, our forward prospect pool is lacking top-6 talent. Tracey and Perreault took a step backwards this year. Colangelo can't skate. Pastujov is our only shining spot. Last year, we didn't attempt for top-6 forwards with our late first rounder, but secured a sure NHLer bottom-6 in Gaucher.

Any of the top-6 will propel them to the top of the Ducks' prospect pool. Possibly any of the top-10 forwards will propel them to the top of the prospect pool.

Here's who we have set as our youth forward core that's already established at the NHL level.

xxx-Z-Terry​

xxx-McTavish-xxx​

xxx- Lundy- xxx​

We're further ahead of any rebuild team. What we're lacking is defense, specifically #1D. There is no #1D in the top-10 in this year's draft. Getting any top-6 will be a significant addition to our already set forward core.

 

[Terry Yake]

I've got nothing against Smith or Benson but I just feel it would be a huge letdown after expecting a top 3/4 pick all year. As for Michkov he apparently is very much equal to the hype, he just has the politics hanging over his head that none of the others do.

It's definitely going to be a lively time between the lottery drawing and draft day.

oh i agree. bedard aside, carlsson is the guy i've wanted all along and it'll really suck missing out on him. but this draft is incredibly stacked. smith and benson would be talked about as potential top 3 picks in most other drafts

 

[lwvs84]

Out of the bottom 4 teams, I could see Chicago or San Jose drafting Mitchkov if they don't get Bedard. Those two are probably furthest out from competing and could wait for him to come over. Eventually, I don't think there will be a problem and he will come over, but there could be other problems (such as negotiations, threats of going back, etc.) since KHL is an option for him. If we miss out on the top 3, I would probably gamble on him since he is clearly the best player... but that would probably prolong the rebuild by another year. The advantage would be that if/when he came over, he would likely be the top rookie (being older along with being elite) and on a rookie contract while the Ducks are coming up again, it could be a good time to go all in.

 

[91Fedorov]

This isn't the first time the Ducks have played themselves out of a better pick late in the year. It seems to be a yearly thing under Eakins. It's really bumming me out.

 

[Gliff]

This isn't the first time the Ducks have played themselves out of a better pick late in the year. It seems to be a yearly thing under Eakins. It's really bumming me out.

The Ducks were the worst team in the league post TDL last year.

 

[Terry Yake]

The Ducks were the worst team in the league post TDL last year.

yeah, they played themselves out of a higher pick last season because they started off hot. opposite happened this season

 

[tomd]

I'm all for the tank, We really need to get a Top 3 pick, Top 5 worst case. I just can't root for them to lose, was actually pissed at that loss last night after they had a great 1st period, but it was also a wake up call to reality. Maybe it was also because I don't like the islanders, being a rival for me, lol.

you have a textbook case of cognitive dissonance!

 

[AngelDuck]

I keep seeing references to trying to maintain a top 5 pick. Who do people think is #5 who is on par with 2-4? I've not seen any of the name analysts differ on the clear top 4.

Personally, I see any pick below #4 as a huge disappointment given the awfulness of this season.

Smith is on par with Carlsson IMO but a slight notch below Fantili. I’m very high on Will Smith

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Smith is on par with Carlsson IMO but a slight notch below Fantili. I’m very high on Will Smith

Well, for our sake, I hope you are right. Of course we aren't even a sure thing for a top 5.

 

[goonsaredumb]

Smith is on par with Carlsson IMO but a slight notch below Fantili. I’m very high on Will Smith

I'd say Smith is on par with Benson

I think as far as the top forwards in the draft go purely based on skill ignoring the factors surrounding Michkov it goes:

Tier 1: Bedard
Tier 2: Michkov
Tier 3: Fantilli & Carlsson
Tier 4: Benson, Smith & Cristall
Tier 5: Everyone else in that Top 10-15 Range

But that's just IMO

 

[Terry Yake]

I'd say Smith is on par with Benson

I think as far as the top forwards in the draft go purely based on skill ignoring the factors surrounding Michkov it goes:

Tier 1: Bedard
Tier 2: Michkov
Tier 3: Fantilli & Carlsson
Tier 4: Benson, Smith & Cristall
Tier 5: Everyone else in that Top 10-15 Range

But that's just IMO

I'd put michkov next to bedard, but agreed otherwise

on a side note, the habs have allowed 7 goals in the 1st so don't think they're winning tonight

 

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[ohcomeonref]

Checking the Chicago score like...

 

[ADHB]

Sharks in tank mode early on. Didn’t get a shot on a 2-on-0.

 

[AngelDuck]

Well, for our sake, I hope you are right. Of course we aren't even a sure thing for a top 5.

Not a sure thing but pretty high odds were drafting 5th or better

 

[pbgoalie]

Given our “norm”
We will end up 5-7

Honestly I’d hope for Michkov to fall and wouldn’t hesitate to take him. If it’s three years, that’s about when we would actually be getting to being a top levels team

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

Checking the Chicago score like...

I’ve never seen a gif so accurately capture the reaction of seeing an unexpected tank win for us lol