2023 Tank Thread - Die Hard for Bedard

[Canuck Luck]

I was thinking Buium + Wallinder + multiple firsts, but I think (if that degree of fire sale ever happened) that we're at least both in enough of the same ballpark that a conversation could continue.

I would expect a lot in the ++ since im sure other teams could offer similar packages. Canucks would be wise to only look at C and D (preferably RHD) prospects as the main prospects coming back. However theres no way we move Pettersson. The only way he leaves is if he asks to leave

 

[NewEraGM]

I’ll never understand why owners and GMs insist on trying to “remain competitive” or “rebuild on the fly”

First of all, most fans who can see that their team is average and will stay average would accept a rebuild. Second, it actually lowers the bar and expectations, so even if the GM is concerned about job security, there is even less expectation during a rebuild season vs if you try to patch work something together.

I’ll never understand the hesitation. They don’t even take as long as they used. 3 years of high picks and multiple firsts can do wonders for a franchise.

 

[Nucker101]

I’ll never understand why owners and GMs insist on trying to “remain competitive” or “rebuild on the fly”

First of all, most fans who can see that their team is average and will stay average would accept a rebuild. Second, it actually lowers the bar and expectations, so even if the GM is concerned about job security, there is even less expectation during a rebuild season vs if you try to patch work something together.

I’ll never understand the hesitation. They don’t even take as long as they used. 3 years of high picks and multiple firsts can do wonders for a franchise.

Especially in a hard cap league where cap space is an asset. The teams that caught onto that early(which this team could've) are reaping the benefits now while the teams that were slow to adapt have are now finally started seeing the light.

 

[Raistlin]

I'm pretty convinced that if the Canucks can get to about 5th worst in the league there's a very good chance the Canucks "win" the lottery. Blackhawks, Canadiens, and Coyotes are very brazenly tanking. Having Bedard play in a college hockey rink for the first several years of his career is not a good look. Blackhawks will be tied to the sexual assault coverup for several years. Canadiens already won. Rutherford has a lot of respect in the OBC too. With Bedard being a Canucks fan and hometown hero, there's a very good story for the NHL.

Fans overreact, I dont believe the team is as bad as this record if they fix their defense. I do believe in a redundancy of wingers, anyone not 40,43, or 35 is expendanble if the return is a RHD to play with 43. Right now with 43 wk to wk, I would just leave the team as is if I'm JR, and sell Miller or Horvat and excess at deadline. as long as the D is as it is right now (minus QH), the team is in conversation for Bedard. Tanking 16-17 got the Avalanche the piece of the puzzle that cannot otherwise be acquired for their championship. The situation is ripe for JR to take advantage as the prospects up top is cant miss, this could be what this franchise needs. Especially if Bettman does "drop the ball" for Vancouver as you suggest...

 

[Vector]

Fans overreact, I dont believe the team is as bad as this record if they fix their defense. I do believe in a redundancy of wingers, anyone not 40,43, or 35 is expendanble if the return is a RHD to play with 43. Right now with 43 wk to wk, I would just leave the team as is if I'm JR, and sell Miller or Horvat and excess at deadline. as long as the D is as it is right now (minus QH), the team is in conversation for Bedard. Tanking 16-17 got the Avalanche the piece of the puzzle that cannot otherwise be acquired for their championship. The situation is ripe for JR to take advantage as the prospects up top is cant miss, this could be what this franchise needs. Especially if Bettman does "drop the ball" for Vancouver as you suggest...

I've never participated in a tank thread and I don't plan on checking around in here. Tanking isn't something I want to engage in with sport. I understand the benefit, however. The problem for everyone involved is that the further this terrible start continues, the more likely the best way forward is to punt the season. We're already looking at Wednesday's game being a must win and, if everything goes as expected, the only win in October.

The best case scenario, if this downhill trajectory continues, is a very short one year retool. Use this awful performance as an excuse to find a way to jettison all the roster cruft, draft Bedard and install him as a 2nd line C, use the capspace and whatever other futures are acquired to build prospect depth and bolster the main roster, etc. With a lot of luck, team can return to playoff contetion within a season but with a hope for the future. It's completely unprecedented in the NHL and nothing ever goes completely right.

 

[Sharkbomb]

I would feel better about a rebuild if the front office or ownership had given us some evidence of competence. As it is, a rebuild might mean we are exactly where we are today only ten years from now. Rebuilding isn't easy, and there are many teams that end up being stuck in a never-ending loop of rebuild cycles. As a Canucks fan living in DC, I'm very familiar with the Washington Commanders, a good example of how futility can last a very long time.

I actually think this team isn't as bad as some here think it is. But I do think resigning Miller was a mistake.

 

[Burnaby Schmo]

I am not usually pro-Tank, but Bedard loves the Canucks, and its about time we had a bonafide, uncontestably, top-tier generational talent. Burn it all down, baby.

 

[DonnyNucker]

This is the year to acquire extra picks with it being a deep draft.

Horvat should be able to net a late 1st from a contender & maybe even more depending on what he does this season.

I really thought Brock was due to have a good year with everything that happened last year in the rear view mirror but he has come out slow. Not sure what value he has maybe a 2nd or 2nd + 3rd or 2nd + B prospect

Maybe ship Schenn at the TDL for something & try to re-sign him in the off season.

Kuzmenko might be able to bring something in as well if he could start burying his changes.

IF mr aquilini actually let management go through with a proper rebuild this year could accelerate it a little bit with just how deep it is. Unfortunately no top end Dman but Bedard / Fantilli / Michkov is an excellent foundational piece and good start to the next core

This is also the year teams won’t want to part with their picks. Draft picks will likely become overvalued by teams as the hype goes off the rails

 

[Peter10]

It's going to be incredibly hard to move Miller now. His extension doesn't kick in until he's 30 and it's a an $8M cap hit for 7 years.

Not saying you are wrong but if you look at it in the big picture it doesnt make any sense. Before the extension teams were looking to trade for him but want wanted to lock him up long term (to pretty much the same contract he signed) before making a deal. Now that he has that very contract, without the new team having to negotiate it, he is worth less? It doesnt compute for me, but for some reason it is reality.

 

[MarkMM]

I am not usually pro-Tank, but Bedard loves the Canucks, and its about time we had a bonafide, uncontestably, top-tier generational talent. Burn it all down, baby.

The depth at the top of this year's crop is also unique; of course I'd love Bedard but the lottery risk normally makes gunning for the 1OA not worth it, but this year, as long as we're getting in on the top 5/6 I'd be happy, so might be the one year where it's really worth it to bottom out for futures and nap one of the top picks.

 

[im gangster]

Not saying you are wrong but if you look at it in the big picture it doesnt make any sense. Before the extension teams were looking to trade for him but want wanted to lock him up long term (to pretty much the same contract he signed) before making a deal. Now that he has that very contract, without the new team having to negotiate it, he is worth less? It doesnt compute for me, but for some reason it is reality.

I speculate that seeing the number straight away, without first falling in love with the number you think you may be able to get him at, is pretty jarring and a non-starter for some. Like ya go into a negotiation and both sides presumably make a series of concessions to make it work, and you talk yourself into it along the way, gradually. Seeing that 56 mill bomb sitting there waiting to go boom and it’s all signed and sealed and delivered? Kinda an easier nuh uh.

 

[Vector]

Is Bedard's lack of height a concern for his ability to play C at the NHL level?

 

[gringo]

 

[nameless1]

Is Bedard's lack of height a concern for his ability to play C at the NHL level?

I would not worry about size for generational players.
That is how teams continue to suck for years to come.
Talent can overcome size almost every single time.

 

[Vector]

I would not worry about size for generational players.
That is how teams continue to suck for years to come.
Talent can overcome size almost every single time.

Not worrying. Generally curious if he is projected to play C in the NHL or if there's belief he may have to shift to wing.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

All aboard team tank.

 

[Vector]

All aboard team tank.

Only a week?

 

[nameless1]

Not worrying. Generally curious if he is projected to play C in the NHL or if there's belief he may have to shift to wing.

Perhaps...
But teams will make adjustments to fit someone with his talent in.
Plus...
A lot of smaller players start out on the wing...
And then they will shift to center as they get stronger.
I notice that teams and players have become more versatile...
And positions are more fluid these days.

Frankly...
I honestly would not worry about it until the time comes.
With the Canucks luck...
The Canucks will fall in the draft...
Even if the team goes 0-82.
Murphy's law is alive and well in Vancouver.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

All aboard team tank.

 

[Raistlin]

it maybe wishful thinking, there is enough precedence of a top pick refusing to play for a mickey mouse org. easier to make a trade for Bedard with the coyotes if you're holding the #3 pick for example. the whole reason for this talk is because this team is already 0-4-2 and lost their only worthy D option on the worst defense in the league. Just rolling with the punches if management is smart. just... dont.. do.. anything.

 

[Grumbler]

yea…BURN IT ALL DOWN!

 

[PG Canuck]

I’ve never wanted a player more. Bedard could be the player to change the culture of this team because he actually is a diehard, like any of us.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

All aboard team tank.

"Mentally weak"

 

[Cancuks]

I’ve never wanted a player more. Bedard could be the player to change the culture of this team because he actually is a diehard, like any of us.

I imagine he'll sign with us when he gets to UFA. Even more incentive for us to get a top 3 pick so when we lose the lottery again we can at least try to trade up.

 

[Petey O]

All aboard team tank.

I know the odds of a consensus 1st overall pick demanding only to play for one team are... really low, but part of me still really, really hopes that he does this.

Connor, I know you're probably reading this thread. You know what to do, lad. It would be the most chad move in all of hockey history. DO IT.

You know that Vancouver needs a cup more than any of those other franchises. Follow your heart. There's nothing wrong with it.