Not sure what you mean. Frankfurt has to show a tad of respect for their player too.
Transfer: 2023 Summer Transfer Window - Open Window Edition
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About Greenwood, I have a question.
Nobody obviously would try to minimize or forget what he's done.
But at what point can he continue his career? He didn't play for 18 months. Does he have to stop his football career entirely?
It'd be easier if he had been judged and jailed obviously, but still people wouldn't want him to play football after his jail time, right? I mean plenty of people here don't want Ben Mendy to player in L1 even though he was NOT judged guilty.
At what point can we decide to move on? I suspect tons of football players (or non football players as well) act like shit like this in their personnal life and yet are cheered by us every weekend because we don't know.
Nobody obviously would try to minimize or forget what he's done.
But at what point can he continue his career? He didn't play for 18 months. Does he have to stop his football career entirely?
It'd be easier if he had been judged and jailed obviously, but still people wouldn't want him to play football after his jail time, right? I mean plenty of people here don't want Ben Mendy to player in L1 even though he was NOT judged guilty.
At what point can we decide to move on? I suspect tons of football players (or non football players as well) act like shit like this in their personnal life and yet are cheered by us every weekend because we don't know.
Peen
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The guy Chelsea loaned to Swansea yesterday is a better CB than Disasi and Chalobah.
Wow Greenwood is a loan.
Wow Greenwood is a loan.
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Grading Spurs transfer window:
+ Maddison is the best player Spurs have signed in a very long time in terms of immediate quality. 15+ goal contributions in the league the past three seasons. Homegrown. Paying £30M+ Harry Winks for him is nothing.
+ Van de Ven looks extremely good for his age. Had barely trained before his debut but didn't miss a beat.
+ Won't make an impact yet but from everything I've heard I'm a big fan of the Veliz signing.
- Big issues with offloading players. Too many loans not enough transfers. They had offers for some but got greedy and asked for more. Ndombele is still around too. They'll be in the same stupid situation with most of them next summer.
- Depth at centre-back is non-existant. One injury to Romero/VDV and Sanchez is next in line.
All in all I'd say a 7/10. This rebuild wasn't going to happen in one window. Hope the centre-back depth can be addressed in January.
+ Maddison is the best player Spurs have signed in a very long time in terms of immediate quality. 15+ goal contributions in the league the past three seasons. Homegrown. Paying £30M+ Harry Winks for him is nothing.
+ Van de Ven looks extremely good for his age. Had barely trained before his debut but didn't miss a beat.
+ Won't make an impact yet but from everything I've heard I'm a big fan of the Veliz signing.
- Big issues with offloading players. Too many loans not enough transfers. They had offers for some but got greedy and asked for more. Ndombele is still around too. They'll be in the same stupid situation with most of them next summer.
- Depth at centre-back is non-existant. One injury to Romero/VDV and Sanchez is next in line.
All in all I'd say a 7/10. This rebuild wasn't going to happen in one window. Hope the centre-back depth can be addressed in January.
Chimaera
same ol' Caps
He can play, sure. There’s a club who will take him obviously. But anyone who wants to appeal to female supporters should not really want him. A foreign club makes some sense as they likely might not know the story.
The significant difference in the latter part of your statement is the audio tapes. I do think there needs to be some significant growth and active work on his part to show commitment to change / give back before any real consideration should be given.
Chimaera
same ol' Caps
I think there is a figure at some point where selling Salah might have to be considered. Reading the article from Pearce today, it’s clear a when not if. The agent has met with them, and the player likely will take the money.
I guess you have to consider planning for it in January
I guess you have to consider planning for it in January
cgf
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Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Sure and we can hypothesize about a million different scenarios but we all share this current one where there's audio tape of clear rape being perpetrated (on top of her getting her face smashed in).
We don't know what we don't know. Here we do know. Teams and fans are free to do as they wish as he's a free man but I'm not going to lie, I do think lesser of anyone who employs him.
How many years will it take? That's my question.
And you don't think less of Morocco for Harit and he's never served time either.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
I don't know. I don't particularly care about time. I agree, I think that the 'X amount of time and you're good to go' way of looking at it is pretty strange and vapid as each situation should be taken case-by-case and based on factors that have nothing to do with time.
With that said, I don't recall anything as intentionally evil as Greenwood. Personally, I'd hope to never see him play again but he's too talented not to.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
@Evilo I'd have zero issue with Morocco having never selected Harit again but you don't seem to comprehend that intent matters.
Do I think it reflects well on the program? No. Do I think that one is a genuine mistake (however careless and disastrous) and the other is intentionally evil? Of course I do and that makes a difference.
Do I think it reflects well on the program? No. Do I think that one is a genuine mistake (however careless and disastrous) and the other is intentionally evil? Of course I do and that makes a difference.
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And you seem to ignore the runaway, the lies, the bribes and ultimately the getting away with it.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
He settled out-of-court with the family. That's extremely common. How is that a 'bribe'?
Again, not sure what point you think you're making. It seems that you're trying to get me in some dumbass gotcha moment when I've already said that I wouldn't play him. And also I think that morally what Greenwood did was worse/I'd be less inclined to forgive it (as in not at all).
Do you have anything else you want to add or are you done? I don't think the incidents are equals and I never downplayed Harit's incident. So what exactly are you getting at?
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JPBolts
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ehh i don't know about that one ha... but if Lenglet plays a decent amount this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting sold for 20/25m somewhere with the Unai effect
cgf
FireBednarsSuccessor
I don't think it's a question of time but of what he does to show that that was either out-of-character for him, or that he's genuinely remorseful and has worked hard to change. For some people it'll take time even if he was a deeply changed man who did everything he could to prevent anyone else from experiencing what his gf did, and some will never forgive him no matter what, but the onus is on him to show he's earned a second chance.
hatterson
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I think it would be a lot different if he had showed even a lick of remorse. If he had spent the last year and a half trying to work with victim charities, doing work to raise money/awareness of domestic violence, etc. then it would be a lot easier for him to go back on the pitch. Instead it was denials, claiming innocence, etc.
Second chances are important, but for second chances to mean anything, there has to be a level of remorse for your actions.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
I'll be honest and admit that I find the audio and evidence so gruesome and mean-spirited/abusive that I don't think there's anything Greenwood could have done to make me think he should have been back on the pitch. Even if he's genuinely remorseful, he can be remorseful without his footballing career.
I'm trying to think of any other stories where I felt that way about the athlete. I might be missing something but I think he's the only one where I thought 'ban him forever'. Actually, Tyreek Hill too.
I'm trying to think of any other stories where I felt that way about the athlete. I might be missing something but I think he's the only one where I thought 'ban him forever'. Actually, Tyreek Hill too.
spintheblackcircle
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The respect was that he wanted to stay.
I think what you're seeing from the EPL is ambition where everyone thinks they can win. You can't say that about other countries.
JeffreyLFC
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Watching Chelsea and now watching Napoli it seems to me like Osimhen would have been the perfect signing for them instead of Jacson, they got of 3 or 4 DM nut neglected the striker position.
