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Bringer of Jollity said:
Coping? Maybe. I think most BL fans just prioritize things other than winning the league, a sentiment I'm sure Arsenal fans can understand.
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Why play the sport then if other politics of football are so important (especially in a league that just had a ton of racist actions this past weekend)? Seems more like the league and fans are stuck in 18th-century thinking. If I was an average player, I would love to join BuLi. Amazing job security for being very mediocre is what the league is being described as in the past two pages. FTR, I am not saying to allow rubbish like Saudi Arabia to buy any club, but the current structure and ideology are hampering it from growing and turning it into a feeder league.
 
Yeah, I def think that if that's the actual mentality of Non-Bayern BuLi fans, you're probably looking at a coping mechanism because the league is f***ed as opposed to any sort of genuine sentiment.
 
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bleedblue1223 said:
You're not curious about what the next conspiracy will be?
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I mean it was a conspiracy when I said there were agent shenanigans in the Caicedo deal. So yeah, stay tuned.
Wee Baby Seamus said:
They historically won’t except when they break transfer records in multiple positions

(sorry, I get the irony of me participating in the song and dance)
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They historically won’t unless there are outgoings to balance it out, and the last time this happened was literally years ago. So yeah.
 
Spring in Fialta said:
Yeah, I def think that if that's the actual mentality of Non-Bayern BuLi fans, you're probably looking at a coping mechanism because the league is f***ed as opposed to any sort of genuine sentiment.
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Maybe @cgf is just indoctrinating me too much. :laugh: Then again, the primary teams I follow don't really have a shot at a league title regardless of whether Bayern wins it or not--it could be coping from them, it's also just reality that other performance measures and successes are far more important.
 
I think Bayern is not that much different than Barcelona or Real Madrid.

You cannot compete with them financially and they own and hoard all the good players coming up from Spain or Germany in the case of Bayern.

PSG are also like that but for some obscure reason, they have not invested much in players from France. They target players outside their league.
 
Bringer of Jollity said:
Maybe @cgf is just indoctrinating me too much. :laugh: Then again, the primary teams I follow don't really have a shot at a league title regardless of whether Bayern wins it or not--it could be coping from them, it's also just reality that other performance measures and successes are far more important.
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I get that finding pleasure where you can is important, I just struggle to imagine that any fan would just dismiss league results/the possibility of winning in a way that isn't pure resignation to Bayern Munich's dominance. No one would think that way otherwise hence why it's cope.
 
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hatterson said:
"Almost all those who favour his return work on the football side of the operation."

This is my shocked face.

Bunch of idiots who only care about what he does on the pitch and are fine just throwing a rapist on the field if he can score double digit goals.
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Based on the twitter thread Adam Crofton posted last night, it sounds like even the board knows what it’s doing is wrong. The delayed announcement. The last minute statement yesterday. They want Greenwood the talent in the lineup(why wouldn’t they context aside) but are clearly scared/worried about making this announcement, as they should. It’s the wrong thing to do.

At most they should be announcing the steps they’re taking to rehabilitating him as a human. Put him in therapy, anger management classes, etc. Then if they want to bring him back at least they have tangible stuff to say that “he’s changed”. Just chickenshit from the club though.
 
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JeffreyLFC said:
You cannot compete with them financially and they own and hoard all the good players coming up from Spain or Germany in the case of Bayern.
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The problem with BuLi is that because Bayern is on a completely different level compared to second place, they can bully other German/Austrian clubs to give up their best players so they don't need to spend a lot. This happened when Goetz joined Bayern before each club was set to face each other before the freakin' CL Final match when Mario was still part of BVB. Again we saw the same thing happen to Juventus in Serie A where all the best Italian players wanted to play for them. The good thing about Serie A is that even though Juve self-imploded, there were some brilliant projects that came along and were built up. Napoli, Atalanta, and Inter all made it very challenging for Juventus along with the normal tough match-up clubs like Roma, AC, and Lazio.

What happens in BuLi is that a German club will find a wunderkid in their local region, sign him, and eventually have to sell him to Bayern before he can leave for free to Bayern. It's a lose-lose situation either way, but one of them at least gives the club some money before being bent over backwards by Bayern and getting that German talent for 40% off. Another weird thing that BuLi fans sort of disregard and that is how close the suits of Bayern are to the suits of Deutschland's Football Federation. When 98% of their actual World Cup team in 2014 played for one single domestic club, that is more disastrous than Qatar buying PSG. There are definite connections and conspiracies between having a single club have all the best German talent and how that talent will develop chemistry for the international stage like the CCCP hockey team of the 70s and 80s.
 
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Fans complain about oil/blood money then complain about lack of parity in the other leagues. Pick your poison gentlemen.
 
As someone who lives in a country where only one team is ever going to win the league, yes, fans of other teams do exist and find tremendous personal, cultural and communal enrichment and pride from following them.
 
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Duchene2MacKinnon said:
Fans complain about oil/blood money then complain about lack of parity in the other leagues. Pick your poison gentlemen.
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I think what destroyed football, at least on the business side came in two direct and different stages. The first stage was when Oil Princesses bought clubs and decided to outspend everyone. Let's not forget that Man City made a ton of awful buys, but because they are so rich they can sweep those under the rug, which relegates other clubs like Southampton or Watford. Then that money unbalances the dynamics of the league in stage 2, which causes a loss of parity. In terms of winning trophies, EPL has the best parity in terms of who can win. Everyone has Man City repeating, but it is still very open regardless of who pundits on talkSPORT think will win. I would argue that if you take Bayern out of the equation, BuLi from 2nd to 18th has the best parity of any top league currently. EPL and Serie A are not far behind (more top-heavy), but Germany and Ligue 1 are clearly better at this point. The main issue for BuLi fans is like this clip from Futurama.

"Sure we have Bayern, but the rest of the league has good fundamentals and teaches teamwork!"
Ceremony said:
As someone who lives in a country where only one team is ever going to win the league, yes, fans of other teams do exist and find tremendous personal, cultural and communal enrichment and pride from following them.
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I don't disagree in the slightest, but look at the attendance numbers from when a club is in the EPL and when they are relegated to the Championship. They gotta lose at least 20 to almost 40% of attendance between each division. Fans of lower clubs will always have tremendous pride, but a good chuck are also bandwagoners as well.
 
hatterson said:
"Almost all those who favour his return work on the football side of the operation."

This is my shocked face.

Bunch of idiots who only care about what he does on the pitch and are fine just throwing a rapist on the field if he can score double digit goals.
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This apparently includes the manager and players.
 
I think there's different issues at hand here. I don't think many non-Bayern fans are happy that Bayern win the league all the time. The questions are (1) whether that stops them from supporting their teams and (2) what they'd be willing to accept as the price of overcoming this issue.
 
SJSharks72 said:
Until an actual source says this, I won’t buy it.
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Several different sources/articles have been saying it.

theathletic.com

Greenwood decision could be delayed until September

Manchester United announced Aug. 21 that Mason Greenwood will not return to the team. Manchester United have delayed announcing a decision over the future of Mason Greenwood and it is now possible there will be no resolution until the September international break. Greenwood, 21, has been the...
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Erik ten Hag is 'open to the prospect' of the forward returning to the first-team squad.
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