Transfer: 2023 Summer Transfer Rumors and Discussion - Closed Window Edition

[Chimaera]

If you think it's mediocre now then what makes you think people would've had any interest prior to Beckham joining? Beckham showed the general North American population that a player of his reputation was willing to play in MLS and that led to other European players joining which grew more interest and revenue for the league to expand to where it's at now.

Again no Beckham = no DP rule.

The discussion point is really not provable.

It does not make sense to continue to have it.

 

[bluesfan94]

Everything that has been discussed so far in this thread can be lumped under three major categories:

Human Rights
Autocratic Government
Poor League Quality

Players transfer or sign in countries that have issues with one or more of the above categories and I dont see nearly as much huffing and puffing, hence the use of the word 'selective'.

Sure. One or more is different than all three, and in any event, you're right that people are more upset when it's a Messi level player than Vincent Aboubakar, but all of that makes perfect sense. It's not selective outrage.

 

[mmk786]

Sure. One or more is different than all three, and in any event, you're right that people are more upset when it's a Messi level player than Vincent Aboubakar, but all of that makes perfect sense. It's not selective outrage.

Okay we have different meanings for selective outrage then.

 

[bluesfan94]

An argument could be made that Saudia Arabia develops more talent on a per capita basis than USA.........but its not a real argument I want to get into

Let's do the math, then. Saudi Arabia has a population of ~36 million. USA has a population of about 332 million. Let's be generous to KSA and call it a factor of ten.

Now let's count all of the American players in the top 5 leagues. Pulisic, Adams, McKennie, Aaronson, Turner, Richards, Ream, Robinson, Reyna, Scally, Chandler, Brooks, Pefok, Paredes, Dest, de la Torre, Musah, Weah, EPB. Note: I did not include the following players: Mighten, Slonina, P. Aaronson, Che, Clark, Sanogo, Toljan, Koleosho, Gomez, Balogun, Okoh or anyone on youth teams such as Booth, Odunze, Figueroa, Harangi, etc.

I got 19 Americans there. So KSA, using a factor of 10, would need to have at least 1.9 players in the top 5 leagues. Again, let's be generous and call it just 1. Couldn't muster up that.

But let's add the next group of leagues. Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, Scotland, Turkey, Croatia, Greece, the Championship - happy to add more countries if you would like. I don't have immediately available numbers for Americans in all of these leagues, but we've added Booth, Ledezma, Pepi, Mihailovic in the Netherlands, Polvara, Ramirez, CCV, Harkes, Hoppe, Efford, Cervantes, Sands, and Tillman in Scotland, Vines, McKenzie, Fossey, Reynolds, and Yow in Belgium, Wright in Turkey, a couple guys in Croatia and Greece, and then a bunch in the Championship: Trusty, Holmes, Covil, Horvath, Steffen, Sargent, Tomkinson, Gooch, Dike. Not gonna do the counting here, but let's just be super generous again and say if Saudi Arabia has 1 player in any of those leagues (EPL, EFL Championship, Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, Eredivisie, Primeira, Scottish Premiership, HNL 1, Super League Greece, Super Lig, and Jupiler Pro League), we'll call it even. Still nope.

Bringing up Ronaldo to Scandale du Jour is a crock of shit meant to deflect. You know this. Or maybe you have so much brain rot from your Barca fandom you can't make the difference.

You have to remember that LH doesn't think he's at all responsible for the implication of his words, so he'll cast aspersions and then look down his nose and say I didn't say that exactly so it doesn't count. It's the argument style of a coward.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

LOL. Good one. No, it's calling out him for his probably hypocrisy in this instance. So wrong, again.

What hypocrisy? I never endorsed Ronaldo going to KSA or never defended him against the rape allegations. Heck, I never really liked him. Great player, did great thing for Madrid, but I was not sad when he left. Even said it was the time. He went to Saudi for the money (and because none of the "premier" club wanted him) and he should go to jail if convicted of rape (and the rich and powerful getting away with sexual assualt time after time is disgusting).

D2M asked why people were against it (including me who said I was against it), I responded. That's the only reason why I wrote "so many words". I do not hate Messi, I wish he goes back to Barca because it is where he belongs and I said so multiple times.

My stance about oil money dictators has been pretty consistent for years. Heck, I even named other sports/companies who do business with the KSA INCLUDING Ronaldo. They are all in it for the easy money and all of them of shill of a murderous regime.

If you see hypocrisy here, fair enough, it is your perogative.

 

[bluesfan94]

Okay we have different meanings for selective outrage then.

I guess so. One logical and the other, yours. This idea that you can only be upset about one of the most famous soccer players going to Saudi Arabia if you are equally upset about (1) any player going to any country with a less than stellar league; (2) any player going to any country with a government mmk786 disapproves of; (3) any player going to a country with a human rights record that mmk786 disapproves of; and (4) any player, regardless of player quality/visibility, going to the KSA league is a goofy standard to hold anyone to.

What makes more sense is being able to understand that a high profile player taking a drastic step down in competitive quality to chase the money and provide a clean face to an autocracy with a reprehensible human rights record could upset people more than Joe Schmoe heading to a league in, say, Turkey.

Not only are there multiple shades of grey in all of those aspects, but intent matters, too.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

What hypocrisy? I never endorsed Ronaldo going to KSA or never defended him against the rape allegations. Heck, I never really liked him. Great player, did great thing for Madrid, but I was not sad when he left. Even said it was the time. He went to Saudi for the money (and because none of the "premier" club wanted him) and he should go to jail if convicted of rape (and the rich and powerful getting away with sexual assualt time after time is disgusting).

D2M asked why people were against it (including me who said I was against it), I responded. That's the only reason why I wrote "so many words". I do not hate Messi, I wish he goes back to Barca because it is where he belongs and I said so multiple times.

My stance about oil money dictators has been pretty consistent for years. Heck, I even named other sports/companies who do business with the KSA INCLUDING Ronaldo. They are all in it for the easy money and all of them of shill of a murderous regime.

If you see hypocrisy here, fair enough, it is your perogative.

You're way kinder than you need to be.

 

[Albatros]

Let's do the math, then. Saudi Arabia has a population of ~36 million. USA has a population of about 332 million. Let's be generous to KSA and call it a factor of ten.

Now let's count all of the American players in the top 5 leagues. Pulisic, Adams, McKennie, Aaronson, Turner, Richards, Ream, Robinson, Reyna, Scally, Chandler, Brooks, Pefok, Paredes, Dest, de la Torre, Musah, Weah, EPB. Note: I did not include the following players: Mighten, Slonina, P. Aaronson, Che, Clark, Sanogo, Toljan, Koleosho, Gomez, Balogun, Okoh or anyone on youth teams such as Booth, Odunze, Figueroa, Harangi, etc.

I got 19 Americans there. So KSA, using a factor of 10, would need to have at least 1.9 players in the top 5 leagues. Again, let's be generous and call it just 1. Couldn't muster up that.

But let's add the next group of leagues. Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, Scotland, Turkey, Croatia, Greece, the Championship - happy to add more countries if you would like. I don't have immediately available numbers for Americans in all of these leagues, but we've added Booth, Ledezma, Pepi, Mihailovic in the Netherlands, Polvara, Ramirez, CCV, Harkes, Hoppe, Efford, Cervantes, Sands, and Tillman in Scotland, Vines, McKenzie, Fossey, Reynolds, and Yow in Belgium, Wright in Turkey, a couple guys in Croatia and Greece, and then a bunch in the Championship: Trusty, Holmes, Covil, Horvath, Steffen, Sargent, Tomkinson, Gooch, Dike. Not gonna do the counting here, but let's just be super generous again and say if Saudi Arabia has 1 player in any of those leagues (EPL, EFL Championship, Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, Eredivisie, Primeira, Scottish Premiership, HNL 1, Super League Greece, Super Lig, and Jupiler Pro League), we'll call it even. Still nope.


You have to remember that LH doesn't think he's at all responsible for the implication of his words, so he'll cast aspersions and then look down his nose and say I didn't say that exactly so it doesn't count. It's the argument style of a coward.

For a long time players from Saudi Arabia weren't permitted to transfer abroad. Nowadays it's more possible, but still not commonplace.

 

[Live in the Now]

There's no defending it at all if it happened. That's really all I have to say about it.

That being said his father said there was absolutely nothing agreed so I will reserve judgment for now.

 

[mmk786]

For a long time players from Saudi Arabia weren't permitted to transfer abroad. Nowadays it's more possible, but still not commonplace.

Even now, why would they? They are making way more staying home than what some club in France, Italy etc would pay them. Thats not true for American players as MLS clubs cant afford to pay as much as the European leagues. Simple economics but not so simple for everyone

 

[luiginb]

Even now, why would they? They are making way more staying home than what some club in France, Italy etc would pay them. Thats not true for American players as MLS clubs cant afford to pay as much as the European leagues. Simple economics but not so simple for everyone

Living in a free country would be enough reason for me. Some of us value freedom and human rights more than money.

 

[mmk786]

Living in a free country would be enough reason for me. Some of us value freedom and human rights more than money.

So every Saudi player should leave their own country? Interesting take

 

[bluesfan94]

For a long time players from Saudi Arabia weren't permitted to transfer abroad. Nowadays it's more possible, but still not commonplace.

Sure, but then any evaluation of talent is reliant on people watching enough of the KSA league to have an idea of who's actually talented. I would note that Ighalo is a top player in the Saudi league, 6 years after he did anything of note in Europe.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

There's no defending it at all if it happened. That's really all I have to say about it.

That being said his father said there was absolutely nothing agreed so I will reserve judgment for now.

I mean, he's already taking their dough. Messi playing their would be an extra disgrace for the quality/sporting aspect, especially given his remaining level, but what he's currently doing is already plenty bad enough.

 

[les Habs]

You have to remember that LH doesn't think he's at all responsible for the implication of his words, so he'll cast aspersions and then look down his nose and say I didn't say that exactly so it doesn't count. It's the argument style of a coward.

LOL, this coming from you is so rich considering you just did exactly what you're falsely accusing me of, but of course it's no surprise. Another butthurt stalker.

What hypocrisy? I never endorsed Ronaldo going to KSA or never defended him against the rape allegations. Heck, I never really liked him. Great player, did great thing for Madrid, but I was not sad when he left. Even said it was the time. He went to Saudi for the money (and because none of the "premier" club wanted him) and he should go to jail if convicted of rape (and the rich and powerful getting away with sexual assualt time after time is disgusting).

D2M asked why people were against it (including me who said I was against it), I responded. That's the only reason why I wrote "so many words". I do not hate Messi, I wish he goes back to Barca because it is where he belongs and I said so multiple times.

My stance about oil money dictators has been pretty consistent for years. Heck, I even named other sports/companies who do business with the KSA INCLUDING Ronaldo. They are all in it for the easy money and all of them of shill of a murderous regime.

If you see hypocrisy here, fair enough, it is your perogative.

Hypocrisy because you're doing a lot of posting regarding Messi and to the best of my knowledge you did no such thing regarding Ronaldo or if you did very little of it.

As for replying to @Duchene2MacKinnon , you had something to say before the question was floated. Something about a "big fat oily check".

I don't doubt your stance, though considering your takes on things Madrid and the rivalry between Barca and Madrid, it shouldn't be a surprise getting questioned on it.

 

[bluesfan94]

LOL, this coming from you is so rich considering you just did exactly what you're falsely accusing me of, but of course it's no surprise. Another butthurt stalker

Don't flatter yourself. I was part of this conversation before you thrust yourself into it.

 

[bluesfan94]

Agreed, but Messi doesn't really need nor care about the insignificant opinions of others. This discussion deals with "roles" and not really with "ethic moral code."

Agreed. Messi doesn't need to care about what we're saying here, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize him for it.

 

[Jussi]

There's no defending it at all if it happened. That's really all I have to say about it.

That being said his father said there was absolutely nothing agreed so I will reserve judgment for now.

According to Romano, decision won't be made until after the season.

 

[hatterson]

Seeing some random rumors that a couple Italian teams (Juve, Milan, Roma) are interested in Greenwood this summer.

 

[Evilo]

As such, I'll go back to football. Kimpembe is wanted by United, Chelsea and Atletico. Campos is willing to let him go.
Also rumors Verratti might be moving.
The long awaited clearance at PSG might just happen. Not sure it's the good players to send away but they also have the most appeal.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

LOL, this coming from you is so rich considering you just did exactly what you're falsely accusing me of, but of course it's no surprise. Another butthurt stalker.



Hypocrisy because you're doing a lot of posting regarding Messi and to the best of my knowledge you did no such thing regarding Ronaldo or if you did very little of it.

As for replying to @Duchene2MacKinnon , you had something to say before the question was floated. Something about a "big fat oily check".

I don't doubt your stance, though considering your takes on things Madrid and the rivalry between Barca and Madrid, it shouldn't be a surprise getting questioned on it.

You are more than welcome to question me. I will gladly answer. I am not above having biases.

 

[phisherman]

As such, I'll go back to football. Kimpembe is wanted by United, Chelsea and Atletico. Campos is willing to let him go.
Also rumors Verratti might be moving.
The long awaited clearance at PSG might just happen. Not sure it's the good players to send away but they also have the most appeal.

WZE available?

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I have a feeling 3 pages of political discussion is going to end up in me getting banned while others won't have anything.

As such, I'll go back to football. Kimpembe is wanted by United, Chelsea and Atletico. Campos is willing to let him go.
Also rumors Verratti might be moving.
The long awaited clearance at PSG might just happen. Not sure it's the good players to send away but they also have the most appeal.

Madrid aggregators linked him to us. Makes no sense. Great player, but yeah, makes no sense.

 

[Evilo]

"big fat oily check".

Which is MUCH worse than a "big fat gouvernment check" that Real got a few years ago. From people's taxes.

WZE available?

Probably one of 3 or 4 players that nobody could buy at PSG right now.

 

[les Habs]

Don't flatter yourself. I was part of this conversation before you thrust yourself into it.

LMAO. Unbelievable. Yeah, you didn't thrust yourself into anything, hence why I'm replying to this post...

Which is MUCH worse than a "big fat gouvernment check" that Real got a few years ago. From people's taxes.

Ah, but "whataboutism" means you can't bring anything else up.

You are more than welcome to question me. I will gladly answer. I am not above having biases.

I'm well aware. Only bias you need to have is for my card during the wrestling draft.