Buffalo Bills 2023 Summer - Post-Draft and Pre-Camp Talk
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Jim Bob
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Diggs: Being Bills captain 'means more' this year
Bills wide receiver Stefon Diggs said Thursday that being named a team captain again "means more" this season.
Four of the eight toughest schedules are the AFC East teams.
Jim Bob
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Dolphins sign FB Alec Ingold to 3-year, $17.2 million extension
Ingold's reported deal would make him the highest-paid fullback in the NFL.
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Miami couldn't get Dalvin Cook or Jonathan Taylor, so they do the next logical thing - give their fullback a benchmark contract.
No judgement.
kirby11
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Especially a team with no real expectations and a pretty good chunk of cap space for the near future. Hard to think that even a fairly large 3 year deal for Taylor would do irreparable long-term damage to their finances.
buffalowing88
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This all feels right considering Irsay is the biggest phony/product of nepotism in the league. Last year he tried to paint himself as some kind of maverick when he called out Snyder after the owner meetings. In reality, it was just low-hanging fruit and instead of doing things behind-the-scenes to expedite Snyder's removal, he jeopardized that process by trying to get good PR.
I feel for that fanbase but there aren't many owners who have done less with more than Irsay over the past two decades.
That's the irksome thing to me.
And even the Giants are annoying in that regard. Schoen gave Daniel Jones over 30 million dollars a season to play like a middling quarterback, but is going to turn around and pretend he's Mr. Analytics and NOT pay Saquon Barkley like a franchise player. Which he is. If you're smart enough to not pay your franchise player because of the position he plays, you should be smart enough to know your team isn't going anywhere with Daniel Jones, and to cut bait ahead of that ridiculous extension.
Dubi Doo
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Meh. 30Ms for a solid QB is the going rate. Finding elite QBs is damn near impossible, but I think Jones can be a Cousins-caliber QB. Different skillsets, but in that 8-12 range of QBs. You can win with that, but it's definitely an even steeper uphill battle. It helps that the NFC is severely lacking in QB talent at the moment.
I'm just not sure it's worth letting Jones go because that team would be ass for the foreseeable future if they didn't re-sign him. I'm assuming the fact the Giants only signed him for four years will make it a lot easier to get out of the contract if he regresses, though I don't know the specifics of the contract + NFL contracts are a bit confusing even if I do know the specifics, haha.
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Husko
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Just because it’s the going rate doesn’t mean it’s a good decision. If you’re trying to win a Super Bowl I’d say you have a better shot trying to strike gold with a random rookie or other super cheap QB and just maxing out contracts elsewhere.
It's also pretty far from being impossible. We just spent the last six months talking about how impressive the crop of quarterbacks is in the AFC alone, between Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Lamar, Lawrence, Rogers (fading) and Tua.
You're likely not going to find them in free agency, but the draft is still perfectly viable. Holding onto a guy like Jones minimizes your chances of getting someone that can make you a viable Super Bowl Contender; at the same time, he doesn't make you a viable Super Bowl Contender. Yeah, you have a shot. Everyone does. But that's the same line we heard for nearly twenty years, as the Bills struggled just to make the playoffs. It wasn't until the Bills drafted Allen that it changed.
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Why am I repeating this? I feel like this should be imprinted on the DNA of every Western New Yorker born cira 1990 and beyond.
Der Jaeger
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Finding an elite QB is hard. But if you have one, you get a 15-year window to try to win the Super Bowl.
You can either muck around with the Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor QBs of the world. Or you take your shot at a franchise QB.
I have zero issues with the Bills taking their swings at EJ Manuel, JP Losman, or Rob Johnson. Take your swings until you hit.
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buffalowing88
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Absolutely agree, in theory, Every team with a Daniel Jones should be racing to the bottom for Williams or Maye.
With that said, I remember being shocked when we took Manuel. His entire college profile was a high-end backup who had a questionable arm in terms of accuracy in particular. Putting him in Buffalo was wild.
That said, his pre-season game before getting hurt was impressive in Indy. And him playing the Pats close in the opener while hurt was awesome. And then, living in Charlotte, seeing him drive down the field and beat the Panthers was like a top-20 moment in my life. Panthers "fans" were pretty sad that day.
The weirdest thing about Manuel is how little he got to play. Totally off memory, but I feel like he only got 12-15 starts? But yeah, he never really showed elite flashes, so you kinda knew.
Losman had the unfortunate luck of going to the dumpster bin bills. He has elite tools and flashes. If he went to a competent team, I still think he could have been a franchise QB. Or if he came along 10 years later when the game better suited his skills. It with the bills he had an awful offensive line and awful coaching….that combo will kill any QB career
Losman had the unfortunate luck of going to the dumpster bin bills. He has elite tools and flashes. If he went to a competent team, I still think he could have been a franchise QB. Or if he came along 10 years later when the game better suited his skills. It with the bills he had an awful offensive line and awful coaching….that combo will kill any QB career
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Meh. I think Jones is a top-15 QB who can reach the top-10 if he takes another step. He's better than Tyrod and esepcially Trent. Fitz is an interesting compairson, but that seems to be Jones floor (a solid enough QB who can be a stopgap for a team until something better comes along. I remember when most of us would've been thrilled if Allen became a top-10 QB, and Jones has that potential, imho.
Now, if Jones regresses or doesn't take the next step, then move on and rebuild, but if he takes the next step, then he'll be solid enough to not throw the next 3-4 years down the toilet in hopes you hit on drafting an elite QB, which we all know is incredibly rare.
Jones took a sizeable step forward last year with Daboll as coach. It seems Im just higher on Jones than most. That's not to say I'd bet the house on him taking another step forward, but there's enough of a chance he does take another step that makes the Giants investment in him understandable from my POV. That's assuming they can get out of that contract without too much damage done after a year or 2.
Now, if Jones regresses or doesn't take the next step, then move on and rebuild, but if he takes the next step, then he'll be solid enough to not throw the next 3-4 years down the toilet in hopes you hit on drafting an elite QB, which we all know is incredibly rare.
Jones took a sizeable step forward last year with Daboll as coach. It seems Im just higher on Jones than most. That's not to say I'd bet the house on him taking another step forward, but there's enough of a chance he does take another step that makes the Giants investment in him understandable from my POV. That's assuming they can get out of that contract without too much damage done after a year or 2.
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Yeah, I'm of the opinion that the Jones we saw last year was peak Jones. I could be wrong, but at 26 years old with Daboll as your head coach and Saquon Barkley taking on the lion's share of the defensive attention I just don't see where there are gains to be made. Especially at 26-years old.
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Anyone have any tips on drafting for a fantasy football league? This will be my first time ever doing it.
My brother in law recently passed away suddenly. He and my sister used to draft a fantasy team together every year. He would get pretty involved in the draft.
She still wants to do it this year in his memory but was worried about doing it on her own so I offered to help even though I have no clue what I’m doing. lol
I really want to do a good job for her though.
Any good sites people would recommend? I don’t really know how to value players or when to draft them. Any tips as far as what positions to draft in what rounds? Like what should we go for first and what should we wait on?
Is there some type of decent blueprint to follow?
The draft is in a few days. I’ve been trying to read up but I’d appreciate any help!
My brother in law recently passed away suddenly. He and my sister used to draft a fantasy team together every year. He would get pretty involved in the draft.
She still wants to do it this year in his memory but was worried about doing it on her own so I offered to help even though I have no clue what I’m doing. lol
I really want to do a good job for her though.
Any good sites people would recommend? I don’t really know how to value players or when to draft them. Any tips as far as what positions to draft in what rounds? Like what should we go for first and what should we wait on?
Is there some type of decent blueprint to follow?
The draft is in a few days. I’ve been trying to read up but I’d appreciate any help!
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If your draft is through a website (Yahoo and ESPN are probably the most popular for season-long drafts), those sites will have a "default" ranking that can be perfectly fine as a baseline guide. You may agree or disagree with their projections if there's a player you think is going to struggle this season, or another you think is going to break out. There are tons of different strategies people use. I'd say try a few mock drafts on Yahoo/ESPN to test different things out, see how other people are drafting, etc. to get a feel for it.
The most important thing to know before your draft is how your league is structured. What is your roster size is, how many of each position you need to start each week, and what your bench size is., what the scoring system is (some leagues do 1 point per reception, 1/2 point per reception, or none, and this affects how valuable pass catchers are.) Also keep in mind bye weeks, but don't obsess over it. Some people are perfectly fine with having all their best players have the same bye week and basically taking the loss that week, most people though try to spread it out so they don't take that automatic L. But rosters change over the course of the year: injuries, dropping players due to poor performance and picking new guys off the waiver wire, etc., so even the best bye week planning can be completely different by the time you actually get to the bye week. But you might not want to draft two QBs who have the same bye week when you can only start one anyways, your backup you're probably only going to need for the one week your starter is off.
Also don't draft your kicker until the last round, and definitely don't draft a backup. Kickers are essentially interchangeable, when your kicker gets his bye you'll just drop him and pick up a different one. This is assuming your league follows a standard position set where you start one kicker each week, some leagues get rid of the kicker spot altogether because of how random it ends up being.
How fitting that Wyoming and Texas Tech went at it...and Allen and Mahomes were going back and forth.
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Just to follow up on what @NotABadPeriod posted:
I can't stress enough his point to know the format of the league and the scoring system. If your league gives a point or half-point per reception -- that's going to make WRs more valuable than RBs early, and that deepens the number of playable RBs. Also watch how many points per TD throw. If it's 6 points per TD throw, consider taking your QB a little earlier than some sites would recommend (the default is 4 points per TD throw anymore).
Just to kind of give you an idea of what you could be in for, I just drafted in a 10 team league last night. 1 point per reception, 4 points per TD throw. My team wound up being (and the round):
QB -- Herbert (7), Prescott (10)
RB -- Etienne (3), Mattison (6), Kamara (9)
WR -- Diggs (1), Kupp (2), Hopkins (5), McLaurin (8), Smith-Schuster (12), Toney (14)
TE -- Andrews (4), Higbee (13)
D/ST -- New Orleans (11)
K -- Whothehellcares (15)
This is just one example.
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