HF Habs: 2023 Roster, Schedule & Standings Thread

[Habs Halifax]

Healthy Florida seems to be on their way out of the lottery. Would be nice if their pick were also in the lottery...

Bruins, Leafs, and Tampa likely make top 3 in the Atlantic. Tampa likely catches the Wings even though the Wings beat them last night. If they don't catch the Wings, Tampa is likely one of the Wild card teams.

Metro is tricky. Devils have a lead but we got lots of games to play. At this stage, even if the Devils slip, I see them in a wild card spot. Then there is the Canes, Pens, Rangers, Islanders.

Panthers will be in tough to make a wild card spot. Their team D is not as good as it was before even when they are 100% healthy. Panthers and Caps might be the two teams that are on the outside looking in this year.

I feel the Panthers pick will be anywhere from 12-18 range and I'd put more probability that it's 12-16 range. Just out of the playoffs.

Ok that’s smart of you. I’d offer to bet for beers but you’re pretty far from me.

Thanks for offering though. Interesting bet if we made it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’d say bottom3-8.

I hope so but I think this team is trending too well to slip that far. I think our winning % is between 0.450 - 0.5 range vs below 0.450. I hope it's lucky # 7 and we win the lottery. It would suck if we finished 3rd or 4th and someone behind us in the 5-8 range wins the lottery.

Lots of hockey left though. If Suzuki goes down with an injury, it changes things drastically.

 

[the valiant effort]

23rd GF/G
T-23rd with LAK GA/G
25th goal diff
29th PP
T-11th with CGY, NYR on the PK
T-23rd with MIN, VAN, NSH, OTT in regulation wins
T-22nd with MIN, NSH, OTT, BUF in reg/OT wins
28th HDCF%
26th xGF%

 

[Habs Halifax]

23rd GF/G
T-23rd with LAK GA/G
25th goal diff
29th PP
T-11th with CGY, NYR on the PK
T-23rd with MIN, VAN, NSH, OTT in regulation wins
T-22nd with MIN, NSH, OTT, BUF in reg/OT wins
28th HDCF%
26th xGF%

What are you trying to say? We should be lower in the standings? . I do think it happens but how far lower is the question.

I was just looking at how our production looks like both on D and F. Suzuki and Hoffman the only + players on our team up front.

 

[Adam Michaels]

So Habs' next game is on Saturday. That gives other teams' 3 days to either pass Habs in the standings or catch up to them. And if Habs lose to LA in regulation on Saturday, then that would give the other teams 4 days.

Between tonight and Friday:
- COL plays twice, they only need to win one to pass MTL.
- CGY plays twice, they only need to win one to pass MTL.
- NSH plays once, they need to win it to pass MTL.
- WSH plays twice, they need at least 3 pts to pass MTL.

Habs currently sit 18th overall. If the aforementioned happens, then Habs would sit at 22nd overall by the time they play LA on Saturday.

Then there are VAN, STL, BUF, PHI, OTT & SJS who also play once or twice and although they wouldn't pass Habs in the standings, they can get that much closer to them.

Some of the teams behind Habs in the standings will play each other, so the best case scenario would be to have as many of those games go to OT.


And then of course, we keep an eye on the teams that can keep FLA out of a playoff spot, as well.

 

[HostileCapSpace]

 

[26Mats]

Bruins, Leafs, and Tampa likely make top 3 in the Atlantic. Tampa likely catches the Wings even though the Wings beat them last night. If they don't catch the Wings, Tampa is likely one of the Wild card teams.

Metro is tricky. Devils have a lead but we got lots of games to play. At this stage, even if the Devils slip, I see them in a wild card spot. Then there is the Canes, Pens, Rangers, Islanders.

Panthers will be in tough to make a wild card spot. Their team D is not as good as it was before even when they are 100% healthy. Panthers and Caps might be the two teams that are on the outside looking in this year.

I feel the Panthers pick will be anywhere from 12-18 range and I'd put more probability that it's 12-16 range. Just out of the playoffs.



Thanks for offering though. Interesting bet if we made it.

Teams that will make the playoffs:
East: Bruins, leafs, bolts.
Metro: devils, canes, pens.

So Florida would have to be beat out two of the following 3 teams: NYI, Rangers, and the Caps.

It will be close. We really need to try to trade Eddy, Anderson, Dvo, Monahan, Savard and Matheson to the NYI, Rangers, and Caps. It not only would help our chances of Florida's pick being a lottery pick, but those teams being on the borderline, if we get their 2023 1st, that pick itself could be a lottery pick.

 

[WinterLion]

Teams that will make the playoffs:
East: Bruins, leafs, bolts.
Metro: devils, canes, pens.

So Florida would have to be beat out two of the following 3 teams: NYI, Rangers, and the Caps.

It will be close. We really need to try to trade Eddy, Anderson, Dvo, Monahan, Savard and Matheson to the NYI, Rangers, and Caps. It not only would help our chances of Florida's pick being a lottery pick, but those teams being on the borderline, if we get their 2023 1st, that pick itself could be a lottery pick.

and trade Droin and Hoffy to FLA...

(just kidding I actually think those guys will both do better on another team... but just got the joke in before someone else did!)

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Winning is fun until the team doesn't win enough and we have some good players, but not enough to be a competitive team. Expecting to be bad and being slightly better is worse than just being bad.

 

[Team_Spirit]

This is the 2015 draft redux.

Good players and bust in every range. 1-5 5-10 10-20 dosen't matter simply draft well

 

[26Mats]

This is the 2015 draft redux.

Good players and bust in every range. 1-5 5-10 10-20 dosen't matter simply draft well

who's going to bust from among Bedard, Carlesson, Fantilli, and MIshkov?

 

[ReHabs]

The losing streak we were hoping for hasn't been much of a losing streak.

Winning is fun until the team doesn't win enough and we have some good players, but not enough to be a competitive team. Expecting to be bad and being slightly better is worse than just being bad.

Last year's tank is pretty much pointless because despite the 1OA Slaf is not a generational talent. Which means if we don't get a huge, instantly impact player this year we will need to tank next year too. That's over just about 250 games where Habs fans root for the Habs to lose. Pathetic.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

The losing streak we were hoping for hasn't been much of a losing streak.


Last year's tank is pretty much pointless because despite the 1OA Slaf is not a generational talent. Which means if we don't get a huge, instantly impact player this year we will need to tank next year too. That's over just about 250 games where Habs fans root for the Habs to lose. Pathetic.

Sucks, but it's correct. Maybe Slaf can become something actually high-end, but is more likely he busts than becomes a stud.

Hughes needs to trade players away right now. I get there isn't many. Monahan is great and a great locker room guy and everything, but the goal isn't who can make the best locker room.

I guess there isn't much room cap wise from some teams and maybe even at 50% teams can't afford for Monahan, but if a team offers a 1st today you trade him today. Get the assets and make the team worse as soon as possible.

Same with Edmundson, you get a solid return, deal him.

 

[WeThreeKings]

We will have 3 first round picks in this draft. So yeah it sucks we are gonna have a PDO bender that puts us out of the top 7 but the Ducks didn't pick top 10 in 03 but left with Getzlaf and Perry. We just have to make the right picks here and there's plenty of options.

 

[MadMslm]

So based on P% in order to drop into the bottom-10 we would have to drop down to a P% of less then 0.454, to get bottom-8 that would require <0.424, bottom-6 would be <0.365, and bottom-5 would be <0.323.

For reference this year we are 0.538, last year + this year combined we are 0.384 but that includes the 0.256 we were under Ducharme. MSL was at 0.432 last year and is a combined 0.476. So honestly tough schedule or not it's going to be tough to fall too far down the standings.

On paper it’s unlikely that the team will finish in the bottom 5.

Good thing the game isn’t played on paper and that we’ve seen improbable things happen through the years.

I doubt the team will fall that much, young players bring too much energy right now and they believe they can win games (look how many times they came back while trailing), but we’ve seen better teams go on 5-6 games losing streak. Especially after winning a lot of games they should have lost, they are bound to lose games they should win. They will play better team in the next 2/3 of the season.

Injuries are starting to pile up (Savard, Monahan, Gallagher and Hoffman), goaltenders are coming back to earth (Allen regained some form should be average or better for the reminder, but you have to expect Montembeault to be worse than average), the offense runs through one line (as much as they impress me most games, at one point they won’t win games if secondary scoring doesn’t set in) and the defense is not doing great (Guhle is great, other rookies are having good and bad moments and veterans seem lost on the ice).

I doubt they finish bottom 3 (Ducks are horrendous and they started like we did last year, Chicago sold most of what they had and Arizona is fighting but they lack talent), but 4th/5th/6th is up in the air.

 

[Fatbiggie]

We will have 3 first round picks in this draft. So yeah it sucks we are gonna have a PDO bender that puts us out of the top 7 but the Ducks didn't pick top 10 in 03 but left with Getzlaf and Perry. We just have to make the right picks here and there's plenty of options.

You’re right….hopefully we don’t select like the Bruins did in the ‘15 draft

 

[rahad]

Ducks are 6-17-3 after 26 games. Habs were 6-17-3 after 26 games last year too. That's how bad our start to the season was. 0.288 winning %

Kinda surprise to see the ducks playing so badly. I has sure it will be Blackhawks, , Coyotes and Sharks in the bottom 3. Did not see them in the bottom. Ducks should be around #5-8.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Kinda surprise to see the ducks playing so badly. I has sure it will be Blackhawks, , Coyotes and Sharks in the bottom 3. Did not see them in the bottom. Ducks should be around #5-8.

For all their drafting accolades they sure have a terrible team.

 

[rahad]

You’re right….hopefully we don’t select like the Bruins did in the ‘15 draft

Or we don't draft like the 2003 habs....

2003 Entry	10	1	Andrei Kostitsyn	R	CSKA Moscow [Russia]	398	103	119	222	181
2003 Entry	40	2	Cory Urquhart	C	Montreal Rocket [QMJHL]
2003 Entry	61	2	Maxim Lapierre	C	Montreal Rocket [QMJHL]	614	65	74	139	586
2003 Entry	79	3	Ryan O'Byrne	D	Nanaimo Clippers [BCHL]	308	5	34	39	369
2003 Entry	113	4	Corey Locke	C	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	9	0	1	1	0

 

[Fatbiggie]

Or we don't draft like the 2003 habs....

2003 Entry	10	1	Andrei Kostitsyn	R	CSKA Moscow [Russia]	398	103	119	222	181
2003 Entry	40	2	Cory Urquhart	C	Montreal Rocket [QMJHL]
2003 Entry	61	2	Maxim Lapierre	C	Montreal Rocket [QMJHL]	614	65	74	139	586
2003 Entry	79	3	Ryan O'Byrne	D	Nanaimo Clippers [BCHL]	308	5	34	39	369
2003 Entry	113	4	Corey Locke	C	Ottawa 67's [OHL]	9	0	1	1	0

I found this website following that draft year…good memories…or not At least Timmins wasn’t the only really high on AKost, still remember the hype from Redline Report on him and I fell into it.

 

[Team_Spirit]

who's going to bust from among Bedard, Carlesson, Fantilli, and MIshkov?

They could all make it but Michkov is the "bust" scoring 20-25g for a few years before going back to the KHL AK46 style. Who knows?

 

[Gravity]

That's called no man's land.

 

[Nicko999]

Update Nov 28th... awful week for the tank

0% chance at the 1st pick (Bedard)
0% chance at a top 4 (Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov, Carlsson)

Absolute worst case scenario is 15th and 16th overall pick.

Best possible pick is 5th overall

Update Dec 7th

0% chance at the 1st pick (Bedard)
6.4% chance at a top 4 (Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov, Carlsson)

Absolute worst case scenario is 15th and 16th overall pick.

Best possible pick is 3rd overall.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That's called no man's land.

Sometimes yes.

But with what we've seen from Dach Guhle Suzuki and Caufield with Slafkovsky being a recent 1st overall showing his flashes. We aren't in danger of no man's land. We actually have two stars up front.

 

[BLONG7]

That's called no man's land.

Some call it The Rinse and Repeat Era/The Bergevin Years.