Red Sox/MLB 2023 Regular Season VII - White Sox clean out the front office

[Dennis Bonvie]

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean hate

"Packs-it-in has nothing again. Chalk up another one for the utterly sickening Bloom."

Sounds like hate, not disageeement, to me.

Former Dodgers 2 homers

Both great signings by Bloom.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Too much Patriots talk in here. Take it somewhere else.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Aw darn it they pulled packs it in for Josh W. I guess that's an improvement.

4 2/3 innings, one run allowed by that horrible bullpen pieced together by Bloom.

 

[Lobster57]

I really do think that you must hate days like today.

i don't think homeboy is ever happy

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I’m rooting for good wins and development of some form

The starting pitching is not playoff worthy wiyh 120 game window and the defense gets a D grade for season

If they win 87-88 games that’s pretty good but whoever is responsible for the starting pitching plan - we know Bloom was but did ownership veto Eovoldi & Wacha? Does Bloom have co-conspirators?

Everyone likes to spend other people’s money lol - why would Bloom go with Kluber who was gassed and let both of those others go

You can’t do this if you are the Red Sox

The Red Sox operated the way the Bruins did when they traded Allison to LA

Not cheap but not all in

Turned out to be a pretty good trade for Bruins, no?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Anyone still trust Garrett Whitlock to get the job done?

How many players do the Sox need to call up for tomorrow's game?

 

[quietbruinfan]

4 2/3 innings, one run allowed by that horrible bullpen pieced together by Bloom.

Fire him. Do not support that incompetent, trash picking nothing. A broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[quietbruinfan]

"Packs-it-in has nothing again. Chalk up another one for the utterly sickening Bloom."

Sounds like hate, not disageeement, to me.



Both great signings by Bloom.

Yeah Packs it in has been stupendous his last five starts.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I will never give Chaim a pass on Paxton because it was useless for last year's team. But this year he has been valuable to the team to this point. I won't give him a pass for Kluber either. The Red Sox giving Kluber as many starts as they did is one of the biggest reasons they are out of the playoffs.

 

[08SeaBass08]

this made up act is so lame. how would you even know what others say if you already put everyone on ignore u disagree with

I don’t use the ignore feature, but I would assume people’s replies to the ignored post probably contain the original. Like when a post gets deleted or edited, you can still see what it was originally in replies.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I don’t use the ignore feature, but I would assume people’s replies to the ignored post probably contain the original. Like when a post gets deleted or edited, you can still see what it was originally in replies.

It's the biggest problem in this thread. People "pretending" to have others on ignore but salivating at the chance to see those posts as a result of someone quoting them so that they can still respond to them. It's quite easy to simply ignore posters all together if you truly want to. Or if you don't wrap yourself in a protective bubble and aren't afraid of being challenged just try responding to the posts that you don't agree with. Hell, even if you don't officially have someone on ignore you can still easily just blow by their posts and respond to the baseball gatekeepers you adore.

 

[CDJ]

Paxton has given them 1.7 bWAR for 4 mill this year, if you factor in last years contract that’s $14 mill combined and he STILL has surplus value on that deal as 1 WAR is going for more like $10 mill these days as opposed to $7/8 mill like it used to. If you use fWAR his value is basically spot on.

So it does not surprise me that the trolls want to bash him.



I think he’s gassed right now. Booth was all over it yesterday. I’d give him a turn off, he’s a different guy when he’s fresh (which makes sense given the long layoff he had from pitching regularly)

 

[Johnnyduke]

Paxton has given them 1.7 bWAR for 4 mill this year, if you factor in last years contract that’s $14 mill combined and he STILL has surplus value on that deal as 1 WAR is going for more like $10 mill these days as opposed to $7/8 mill like it used to.

So it does not surprise me that the trolls wants to bash him.

Once again to clarify, one person specifically targeted Paxton yesterday. If you want to enter the conversation how about just responding to that person. There are not a number of "trolls" targeting James Paxton. Just completely made up as usual.

The point of Paxton adding no value to a team last year that desperately needed help remains though. That is not even up for debate. That's not bashing Paxton. That is a criticism of Chaim Bloom for last year. This year he wasted money and 9 starts on Kluber. The GM can do much better than that.

 

[KrejciMVP]

I will never give Chaim a pass on Paxton because it was useless for last year's team. But this year he has been valuable to the team to this point. I won't give him a pass for Kluber either. The Red Sox giving Kluber as many starts as they did is one of the biggest reasons they are out of the playoffs.
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the bargain basement deals for unreliable pitching isnt exactly going to help keep pace this time of year.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Once again to clarify, one person specifically targeted Paxton yesterday. If you want to enter the conversation how about just responding to that person. There are not a number of "trolls" targeting James Paxton. Just completely made up as usual.

The point of Paxton adding no value to a team last year that desperately needed help remains though. That is not even up for debate. That's not bashing Paxton. That is a criticism of Chaim Bloom for last year. This year he wasted money and 9 starts on Kluber. The GM can do much better than that.

His last five or six starts have stunk, so I am going to target him. Sue me. I suspect he is carrying a nagging injury or two, but it might also be he is a mediocre two pitch hunk of Bloom reclamation junk.

 

[Johnnyduke]

His last five or six starts have stunk, so I am going to target him. Sue me. I suspect he is carrying a nagging injury or two, but it might also be he is a mediocre two pitch hunk of Bloom reclamation junk.

I honestly don't care if you go at Paxton or not. That's fine by me. I mean the same poster in question called Rafael Devers an a-hole because he's not good defensively. I just have a problem with his mischaracterization of what goes on in this thread.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I honestly don't care if you go at Paxton or not. That's fine by me. I mean the same poster in question called Rafael Devers an a-hole because he's not good defensively. I just have a problem with his mischaracterization of what goes on in this thread.

Understood. ...

 

[GatorMike]

His last five or six starts have stunk, so I am going to target him. Sue me.

His last two starts have stunk.

Prior to that, he had a start where he allowed two runs in six innings and another start where he threw 5.1 shutout innings.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I honestly don't care if you go at Paxton or not. That's fine by me. I mean the same poster in question called Rafael Devers an a-hole because he's not good defensively. I just have a problem with his mischaracterization of what goes on in this thread.

Give it a rest.

We heard it the first 10 times you mentioned this in totally unrelated posts.

 

[DKH]

Fire him. Do not support that incompetent, trash picking nothing. A broken clock is right twice a day.

If there ever was a Christmas Carol version of this place those 3 ghosts got their work cut out for them

His last two starts have stunk.

Prior to that, he had a start where he allowed two runs in six innings and another start where he threw 5.1 shutout innings.

He didn’t have much juice yet with a better throw and scoop he could have got 5 innings

Julio Urias was very underwhelming as well

That slurve looked like a beach ball

 

[quietbruinfan]

His last two starts have stunk.

Prior to that, he had a start where he allowed two runs in six innings and another start where he threw 5.1 shutout innings.

I do remember the 2-1, but still think he had nothing and has faded badly at the worst possible time.

 

[Johnnyduke]

Give it a rest.

We heard it the first 10 times you mentioned this in totally unrelated posts.

Nah, I'll continue to point it out as long as he keeps doing his act where other people aren't allowed to be critical of players.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Only in this organization would Houck start and not be a righty specialist.

 

[EverettMike]

Go Red Sox!

 

[McGarnagle]

Only in this organization would Houck start and not be a righty specialist.

I've been saying this for like 4 years and I can't believe that an organization employing a lot of smart baseball people (we can all criticize Bloom, Cora, etc. for some blunders and blind spots, but they're not dumb) is still refusing to make a glaringly obvious move.

Like, how can you look at this and still stick your boots in the mud about how he needs to be a starter? And it's not a small sample size, he's had these same results every year of his career and they're not changing.

It's criminal mismanagement TBQH, Houck could be an elite bullpen ace, not unlike Andrew Miller was after his career renaissance, just from the right side. Hold him back for a high leverage spot against righties in the middle innings and let him go around the batting order once to hold leads a couple times a week in key games. But starting and expecting to get 5+ innings out of him with no damage every 5 days is foolish.