Red Sox/MLB 2023 Regular Season VI: Hunt for the Wild Card is on

[BruinsFanSince94]

And honest question:

Do you watch the games? The only stars that you "come to watch" are the coldest players on the team at the moment.

No. He’s another one who pokes their head into the team threads when the team gives him something to whine and bitch about.

The Red Sox are seven games over .500 and 1.5 games out of a Wild Card spot.

The Padres are two games under .500 and 5 games out of a Wild Card spot.

Bogaerts is on pace for his lowest full-season WAR since 2017. He'll turn 31 at the end of this season, and the Padres still owe him $255 million.

Don't use facts with this one.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Chaim should have got a SS and pitching !!!!
Oh wait ? Story hit another home run last nifgt
They are getting back 3 pitchers
Only player I wanted was Edman
Rafaela unbelievable- expert him up September
Anyhony another Homer at Greenville
Sox OF gotta chance to be very good

Sox outfield is very good.

 

[GatorMike]

The Red Sox have the 9th toughest remaining schedule with half of their pitching core on the IR hoping that one of them in a rehab start will make the difference.

The Padres have the 13th toughest remaining schedule and are likely to get Michael Wacha back whose been a decent arm in their rotation.

All the options at shortstop the Red Sox have trotted out at shortstop have a worse WAR, BA, OBP, OPS, OPS+, and fielding metrics than Xander Bogaerts COMBINED, never mind individually.

If you want to pretend that everything is going swimmingly for Bogaerts and the Padres, while the Red Sox are somehow worse off this season, I can't stop you.

My guess is that to this point, the only person in Southern California that's happy with the current situation is Xander's accountant.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Where's the sustainable winning? Where do you see sustainable success in these moves that the Red Sox have done? Nothing tells me that there is anything Bloom is doing other than being sustainably at the bottom of the league, under the luxury tax, and having a sustainable decrease year on year in fan interest. This team took one of the most beloved teams in Boston and made their fans reviled by them year on year since 2011. At this point the Red Sox, just like Roush Racing and soon to be Liverpool FC once John Henry gets his hands on an NFL team, are just a number line in a portfolio spreadsheet. Say what you want about the crazy spending of Steve Cohen and how he made dumb moves as well as meddled in the team's decision making, but at least he's invested. When was the last time you saw ANYONE in Fenway Sports Group invested in this team?



If by back, you mean back to the basement then yes. We are back.

Did 2013 and 2018 not happen?

 

[CDJ]

And this is why people dont take modern media seriously

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Biggest moments of last night's game: Arroyo's bases loaded double in the fourth, Winckowski striking out Ford and Rojas with runners on second and third in the eighth.

Fabulous catch by Duran in left to save a run.

Huge game from McGuire in his return.

Casas the victim of two terrible calls on his strikeout.

 

[EvilDead]

Did 2013 and 2018 not happen?

So two years disprove an entire trend?

 

[Johnnyduke]

And this is why people dont take modern media seriously

Huh? People don't need the media to understand that it was a dud of a deadline. I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

So two years disprove an entire trend?

I would say yes, two World Series championships does that.

And the 2013 team was one of the most beloved teams in Sox history, yet you claimed all the teams from 2011 on were reviled.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

So two years disprove an entire trend?

LMAOOOOOOOO

They have won 4 World Series in 19 years. Let’s look at the list of MLB teams to do similar:

Red Sox = 4
Giants = 3
Astros = 2
Cardinals = 2

They are literally the most successful MLB franchise in the last 20 years. And you’re here bitching because of a little rebuild.

Give that head a shake.

 

[EvilDead]

I would say yes, two World Series championships does that.

And the 2013 team was one of the most beloved teams in Sox history, yet you claimed all the teams from 2011 on were reviled.

You seem to be misinterpreting what I said. So I guess I'll need to make it clearer.

The process for the Red Sox as an organization becoming reviled was one that was gradual since 2011.

Not in one instant hit and certainly not every single year. The process of this team getting to where it is right now was a gradual process, especially when a lot of the likable and relatable faces of the team either retired, got traded, or in the case of ownership more removed from day to day ops and were replaced with people that were unbearable, unlikable, and utterly annoying in their attitude towards fans. Be it players like David Price, GMs like Chaim Bloom, or head honchos like Kennedy, Werner, and Henry. This team slowly stripped away everything that you could like about the team and became what it is now. Now I will say that the team itself, ie the players and manager, are a lot more likable then they were in 2018. That said...the front office and ownership has gotten worse. Especially now with Henry being mentally checked out and Chaim being given his marching orders from Henry's cheapskate body double Tom Werner and the Red Sox's version of Baghdad Bob in Sam Kennedy.

Again, I thought this would've been made apparent, but I guess not.

 

[EvilDead]

If you want to pretend that everything is going swimmingly for Bogaerts and the Padres, while the Red Sox are somehow worse off this season, I can't stop you.

My guess is that to this point, the only person in Southern California that's happy with the current situation is Xander's accountant.

Name one shortstop on the Red Sox roster whose been hitting over .240 and has an OPS+ over 100.

No, please go ahead. I'll wait.

 

[DKH]

Between this and talk radio lol

 

[DKH]

Did 2013 and 2018 not happen?

We grew up in 60’s and 70’s when the Sox were maddening but entertaining and interesting

They were a roller coaster but full of stars and characters

I got this vibe from what is unfolding infront of us

 

[CDJ]

I would say yes, two World Series championships does that.

And the 2013 team was one of the most beloved teams in Sox history, yet you claimed all the teams from 2011 on were reviled.

Sounds like a “him” problem

 

[DKH]

LMAOOOOOOOO

They have won 4 World Series in 19 years. Let’s look at the list of MLB teams to do similar:

Red Sox = 4
Giants = 3
Astros = 2
Cardinals = 2

They are literally the most successful MLB franchise in the last 20 years. And you’re here bitching because of a little rebuild.

Give that head a shake.

The Rays & Dodgers also have 4 WS wins in last 19 years pretty sure- gotta be reason why they are best run franchises

 

[Johnnyduke]

Between this and talk radio lol

Again, absolutely nothing wrong with that headline. It was a dud of a deadline. From there, people can argue if it was the right approach.

The Rays & Dodgers also have 4 WS wins in last 19 years pretty sure- gotta be reason why they are best run franchises

Huh?

 

[KrejciMVP]

We grew up in 60’s and 70’s when the Sox were maddening but entertaining and interesting

They were a roller coaster but full of stars and characters

I got this vibe from what is unfolding infront of us

if it were 1975 10 games back in the division the season would probably be over. no margin for error back then. Making the playoffs now should be easier

 

[GatorMike]

Name one shortstop on the Red Sox roster whose been hitting over .240 and has an OPS+ over 100.

I'm so confused.

You started by by writing this:

"Now look at him in San Diego. He's near the top 5 in WAR on a team that's in a hotly contested division for a team that's really only being let down by its bullpen. Meanwhile the Red Sox are playing hot potato at shortstop until Mayer is theoretically ready to play and have had a cavalcade of crap come down the pike every night while barely holding on to a wild card spot."​

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting, but I take this as you making a case that Bogaerts is better off with the Padres, who have been objectively worse than the Red Sox this year. You brag that he's "near the top five in WAR on the team", which is both a low hurdle to clear for a $25 million/year player, and dismissive of the fact that he's on pace to have arguably his worst offensive season since he was a rookie.

I point this out, and your response is not to acknowledge that the Padres are the most disappointing team in baseball or that Bogaerts is having (...by his standards) a miserable season, but to move the goalposts and complain about how the Red Sox' 3rd, 4th, and 5th choices at shortstop aren't very good?

But I'll play your game. The Red Sox don't have a decent shortstop at the moment. Give it another week or so, and they'll have a 2x All-Star playing the position.

 

[DKH]

if it were 1975 10 games back in the division the season would probably be over. no margin for error back then. Making the playoffs now should be easier

Yup different times and the Yankees or Red Sox were so loaded - fun times

Definitely easier now - 30 teams now - back then I think 24? So you had 1 in 6 shot

I’m cool with this now - I find myself only last week or so paying attention to the AL East

I would love to see all 5 hit 90 wins

Not sure can happen but all 5 could have winning records

The Rays I still think overtake Baltimore but the Birds amazing story

Before I left house an hour ago I had 2 big ass blue jays hanging at my bird feeder - they were beautiful but stunned how big they were

 

[DKH]

I'm so confused.

You started by by writing this:

"Now look at him in San Diego. He's near the top 5 in WAR on a team that's in a hotly contested division for a team that's really only being let down by its bullpen. Meanwhile the Red Sox are playing hot potato at shortstop until Mayer is theoretically ready to play and have had a cavalcade of crap come down the pike every night while barely holding on to a wild card spot."​

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting, but I take this as you making a case that Bogaerts is better off with the Padres, who have been objectively worse than the Red Sox this year. You brag that he's "near the top five in WAR on the team", which is both a low hurdle to clear for a $25 million/year player, and dismissive of the fact that he's on pace to have arguably his worst offensive season since he was a rookie.

I point this out, and your response is not to acknowledge that the Padres are the most disappointing team in baseball or that Bogaerts is having (...by his standards) a miserable season, but to move the goalposts and complain about how the Red Sox' 3rd, 4th, and 5th choices at shortstop aren't very good?

But I'll play your game. The Red Sox don't have a decent shortstop at the moment. Give it another week or so, and they'll have a 2x All-Star playing the position.

Story can make this team pretty good

Hopefully he’s healthy - a notorious streaky player who with Colorado would have 3 or 4 crazy runs over a season

Great athlete as well - superb base runner

Didn’t get my Story-Edman DP combo but excited to see Trevor back Friday

 

[EverettMike]

So two years disprove an entire trend?

When they end with titles yes. Literally yes.

 

[McGarnagle]

This was a really tough combination of teams but I managed to work out a 9/9 31 Rarity Score. I love when teams that have relocated are on the grid because you can name a player from before the move and it's going to be a sub-1% answer. 0.07% is one of my best, if not my best ever.

Some day I need to sit down an memorize the 1990s rosters for teams like Pittsburgh, KC, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, etc. because they always pop up here and I only have a few names to go with because they were never good enough to be on TV or used in the video games I played as a kid.

Spoiler

 

[CDJ]

This was a really tough combination of teams but I managed to work out a 9/9 31 Rarity Score. I love when teams that have relocated are on the grid because you can name a player from before the move and it's going to be a sub-1% answer. 0.07% is one of my best, if not my best ever.

Some day I need to sit down an memorize the 1990s rosters for teams like Pittsburgh, KC, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, etc. because they always pop up here and I only have a few names to go with because they were never good enough to be on TV or used in the video games I played as a kid.

Spoiler

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Spoiler: Immaculate

 

[Johnnyduke]