Patriots/NFL 2023 Regular Season - 1-4: Week 6 @ Vegas

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Because it was always this way for a long time. Everyone has a camera now so we see all of it

No. The fan violence hasn't been like this since the 1970s. Especially post 9/11 with stricter security standards. This uptick in fan violence is a new level of bad that is in line with European soccer fan violence of 10 to 20 years ago. This is why away fan tickets need to be curbed, this is why the NFL needs to have stricter controls of ticket reselling, and so on.
 

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No. The fan violence hasn't been like this since the 1970s. Especially post 9/11 with stricter security standards. This uptick in fan violence is a new level of bad that is in line with European soccer fan violence of 10 to 20 years ago. This is why away fan tickets need to be curbed, this is why the NFL needs to have stricter controls of ticket reselling, and so on.
Good luck providing links to support these claims.
 

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Good luck providing links to support these claims.

Sportsbook Review conducted a survey has reported that 39% of all fans across the 32 teams have witnessed a crime while attending NFL games. Some of the highest being Chicago, New York, and Atlanta. Mile High Stadium is considered the most dangerous stadium of the 32, with a crime rate of 70.02 out of 1000 people.

Of the 32 NFL fan bases, here's the top 5 where criminal activity was witnessed:

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Yes you're reading that right. Patriots fans rank number three in the league, second to Philly in the fan violence category. LET'S GO PAAAAAAAAAAAATSSSS! WOOOOOOOOOOO! LET'S PUMP UP THOSE NUMBERS BABY! IF WE CAN'T WIN ON THE FIELD, WE'LL WIN IN THE STANDS LIKE MILLWALL! :sarcasm:

That said...of the 7.2% of NFL fans that said they were victims of crimes, Pats fans didn't even rank:

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Also...thankfully...Gillette Stadium seems to be a pretty safe stadium when compared to the top five:

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When asked in the survey if they feel safe alone, 44.7% of women responded with no in contrast to 51.4% of men. When asked if they would feel safe if they let their kid go to an NFL game without them or being unattended, a whopping 77.2% of parents said no.

The Washington Post back in 2016 reported that fan violence had been quietly begun escalating as far back as 2011. This was after a high profile incident when a Raiders fan knocked out a 55 year old Baltimore Ravens fan unconscious in a gangway and gave him permanent brain damage after the Ravens' fan hit his head against the concrete floor. The Post also highlighted that most violent crime arrests occurred at Giants, Jets, Chargers, Raiders, 49ers, and Steelers games. Fan bases with noted violent elements in their fan bases. Keep in mind a lot has changed since this article came out and it was a noted problem back then.

CBS News followed up on the story with data showing that, if the home team loses, violent crime goes up in all home team stadiums.

The data doesn't lie. There is a fan violence problem in NFL stadiums and even if it's overstated to an extent, it still doesn't change the fact that it's driving fans away and it's creating a perception in stadiums that hasn't been like this since the bad old days of the multipurpose stadiums and shit holes like Foxboro Stadium.

The NFL needs to fix this and start working with state police to start aggressively issue out ban orders to away fans like England did back in the 90s onwards, as well as come up with a digital ticket ID system that can lock violent away fans out. Price out the violent thugs.
 
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Seidenbergy

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Sportsbook Review conducted a survey has reported that 39% of all fans across the 32 teams have witnessed a crime while attending NFL games. Some of the highest being Chicago, New York, and Atlanta. Mile High Stadium is considered the most dangerous stadium of the 32, with a crime rate of 70.02 out of 1000 people.

Of the 32 NFL fan bases, here's the top 5 where criminal activity was witnessed:

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Yes you're reading that right. Patriots fans rank number three in the league, second to Philly in the fan violence category. LET'S GO PAAAAAAAAAAAATSSSS! WOOOOOOOOOOO! LET'S PUMP UP THOSE NUMBERS BABY! IF WE CAN'T WIN ON THE FIELD, WE'LL WIN IN THE STANDS LIKE MILLWALL! :sarcasm:

That said...of the 7.2% of NFL fans that said they were victims of crimes, Pats fans didn't even rank:

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Also...thankfully...Gillette Stadium seems to be a pretty safe stadium when compared to the top five:

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When asked in the survey if they feel safe alone, 44.7% of women responded with no in contrast to 51.4% of men. When asked if they would feel safe if they let their kid go to an NFL game without them or being unattended, a whopping 77.2% of parents said no.

The Washington Post back in 2016 reported that fan violence had been quietly begun escalating as far back as 2011. This was after a high profile incident when a Raiders fan knocked out a 55 year old Baltimore Ravens fan unconscious in a gangway and gave him permanent brain damage after the Ravens' fan hit his head against the concrete floor. The Post also highlighted that most violent crime arrests occurred at Giants, Jets, Chargers, Raiders, 49ers, and Steelers games. Fan bases with noted violent elements in their fan bases. Keep in mind a lot has changed since this article came out and it was a noted problem back then.

CBS News followed up on the story with data showing that, if the home team loses, violent crime goes up in all home team stadiums.

The data doesn't lie. There is a fan violence problem in NFL stadiums and even if it's overstated to an extent, it still doesn't change the fact that it's driving fans away and it's creating a perception in stadiums that hasn't been like this since the bad old days of the multipurpose stadiums and shit holes like Foxboro Stadium.

The NFL needs to fix this and start working with state police to start aggressively issue out ban orders to away fans like England did back in the 90s onwards, as well as come up with a digital ticket ID system that can lock violent away fans out. Price out the violent thugs.
Literally none of that speaks to your earlier claims.
 

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Literally none of that speaks to your earlier claims.

Did you not read what was posted?

"The Washington Post back in 2016 reported that fan violence had been quietly begun escalating as far back as 2011."

Now...by my math calculations...that puts 2011 back...10 years or so ago...and if fan violence has been going up steadily since 2011, and there's been no data that seems to point in the contrary direction, and when looking at data put forward by the Sportsbook Review...then that means for the past 10 years plus, NFL stadiums have seen an increase in fan violence year on year. Now of course there's wiggle room...maybe data shows that its been going up and down...and I will grant for that. What does work in my favor is FBI statistics that show an overall year on year decline in violence in society overall at that time as highlighted in a 2011 article by The Atlantic on the subject.

Now you can say it isn't a thing and that's fine. The reality, however, shows that NFL stadiums are becoming hubs for violence and criminal behavior and that needs to stop. Especially with the death of a Patriots fan at Gillette by two violent thugs from Miami and several other high profile violent incidents at NFL games this season.
 

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Did you not read what was posted?

"The Washington Post back in 2016 reported that fan violence had been quietly begun escalating as far back as 2011."

Now...by my math calculations...that puts 2011 back...10 years or so ago...and if fan violence has been going up steadily since 2011, and there's been no data that seems to point in the contrary direction, and when looking at data put forward by the Sportsbook Review...then that means for the past 10 years plus, NFL stadiums have seen an increase in fan violence year on year. Now of course there's wiggle room...maybe data shows that its been going up and down...and I will grant for that. What does work in my favor is FBI statistics that show an overall year on year decline in violence in society overall at that time as highlighted in a 2011 article by The Atlantic on the subject.

Now you can say it isn't a thing and that's fine. The reality, however, shows that NFL stadiums are becoming hubs for violence and criminal behavior and that needs to stop. Especially with the death of a Patriots fan at Gillette by two violent thugs from Miami and several other high profile violent incidents at NFL games this season.
Wash Post make claim with no backup. That's not evidence.
 
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If they have NE keeping the #5 pick and not trading down to #20, for an additional 2nd and 3rd rounder, then they clearly don't .....

But then again, given the gaping holes on this roster, that might not be so terrible of an idea.
 

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If they have NE keeping the #5 pick and not trading down to #20, for an additional 2nd and 3rd rounder, then they clearly don't .....

But then again, given the gaping holes on this roster, that might not be so terrible of an idea.
Idk what makes you think people are surviving the upcoming 3-14 season
 
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That 49ers defense is absolutely relentless. They are fast and they try to destroy you on every tackle. Fred Warner is a very, very bad man…
 

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If you wanna beat the 49ers defense you gotta run INSIDE and throw to the OUTSIDE. Not the other way around. Dallas finally figured that out on that drive.
 
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