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Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk IX

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Hookslide said:
I am not moving DeBrusk for Scheifele straight up let alone a + whatever that might be...........
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Lol wut.

If your concern over Scheifele is attitude, remember Jake Debrusk basically quit on the team cause he didn't like the coach. I mean, it can't be on ice ability because it's really no contest between the two players in that department.

Maybe the trade proposal is a bit rich in quantity, but some of the responses here have been a little silly. Some of you are underrating Scheifele to an extreme.
 
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dugg133 said:
Agreed that they can’t bank on signing a big ticket UFA to save them, if one falls in their lap then great but it can’t be the only plan.

This would never actually happened, but personally id like to see them offer sheet Elias Petersson at some stupid number for one year just to get him in the org. Like literally 15mil if that’s what it takes, we can afford it next summer.
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You gotta have your own the 1st rounders too
 
Banded Peak said:
Lol wut.

If your concern over Scheifele is attitude, remember Jake Debrusk basically quit on the team cause he didn't like the coach. I mean, it can't be on ice ability because it's really no contest between the two players in that department.

Maybe the trade proposal is a bit rich in quantity, but some of the responses here have been a little silly. Some of you are underrating Scheifele to an extreme.
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It's not under rating Scheifele, the Bruins were giving up too much it that trade proposal.
Also the Bruins don't want to trade Lysell and/or Lohrei anyways, since they are slim to none on picks in the first 3 rounds.
That's why they traded Hall instead!. Yes that leaves other questions, but we have no control over any of this, it is, what it is!.
 
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Banded Peak said:
Lol wut.

If your concern over Scheifele is attitude, remember Jake Debrusk basically quit on the team cause he didn't like the coach. I mean, it can't be on ice ability because it's really no contest between the two players in that department.
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We all know it was more than that. And he didn't quit. He still showed up to work and played despite everything. His teammates had his back clearly.
 
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Banded Peak said:
Lol wut.

If your concern over Scheifele is attitude, remember Jake Debrusk basically quit on the team cause he didn't like the coach. I mean, it can't be on ice ability because it's really no contest between the two players in that department.

Maybe the trade proposal is a bit rich in quantity, but some of the responses here have been a little silly. Some of you are underrating Scheifele to an extreme.
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Hey I'm a Scheifele guy. I've previously mentioned that out of the rumoured available Cs, he's the only one I believed to be dynamic enough to really make an impact on line 1.

But the comparable trade was bogus to the extreme. Doubois being five years younger and one you can get for eight years to be a cornerstone vs Scheifele who would be 39 at the time a comparable deal would expire. Dubois should be the much more coveted asset with the larger return.

Then the writer's suggestion of what would be a comparable deal at even value? No. Iafallo is a middle sizer who has broken 40 points once in his career. He's 29. Vilardi is only 23, but he's the best asset dealt there with 23 goals last season. Kupari is young too, but he has yet to establish himself as a full-time contributing member of an NHL team.

DeBrusk. 26. Three time 25+ goal scorer already. 50 points last season which is a mark none of the LA guys have ever achieved. Zacha who hit 57 last year and played a clear role on a very successful regular season team. Led his team in scoring two seasons ago and is again only 26 and signed to great contract for the next four seasons. And Lysell who you can argue is similar value to a Kupari, but again four years younger with better numbers in his first 50 games in the AHL than Kupari put up.

The Bruins are giving up WAY more in this proposal than the Kings did. And for an asset not as valuable. This isn't a knock on Scheifele - it's a knock on a writer who put together a proposal that sucked despite setting his own parameters and flawed reasoning.
 
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Banded Peak said:
Lol wut.

If your concern over Scheifele is attitude, remember Jake Debrusk basically quit on the team cause he didn't like the coach. I mean, it can't be on ice ability because it's really no contest between the two players in that department.

Maybe the trade proposal is a bit rich in quantity, but some of the responses here have been a little silly. Some of you are underrating Scheifele to an extreme.
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he is 4 freakn years over and is going to want a lot more contract and he is a defensive disaster ,how soon before the fans will be calling for Sweeneys head..........
 
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Mione134 said:
We all know it was more than that. And he didn't quit. He still showed up to work and played despite everything. His teammates had his back clearly.
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Add to that he played lights-out in the second half of Bruce's last season in Boston. No quitting in sight. Just a dude who had some stuff to overcome and didn't go into a downward spiral, but instead worked through it. He struggled on the third line because he's a top 6 player who helps drive the offense. Once he was back with the kind of talent that complements his game he looked awesome. After seeing Jake be the primary driver of the first line this past season during a decent stretch I started regarding him as core. Someone I hope the Bs can re-sign when the time comes.
 
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JOKER 192 said:
Not sure I'm fully comfortable with a tandem of Sway and Bussi.
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I think this is entirely fair and I'm sure a sentiment that is more common that has been stated.

I think we all looked at the level of goaltending that has won the last two Cups and ask whether having two guys who are better than either of them is really the most efficient use of cap space.

But who is to say that a tandem of Swayman and Bussi would even be top half in the league? Was there something in having these two guys that made each other better that you lose going to an unknown Bussi and a guy who has never been relied upon as the #1 in the NHL?

I've been in support of a goaltender trade all off-season. But I haven't been full-throated about it. Like you, I'd be hesitant. And honestly it's a toss up as to which goaltender I'd be most comfortable moving.
 
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JOKER 192 said:
A cheap Halak like goalie goes for around 3M, there is not enough of a savings there to be able to do anything significant.
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Who said anything about doing anything significant?

If anything it looks like the team isn’t even trying to do anything significant. They are retooling this year. They signed a bunch of guys to one year deals so their money can roll off the books at the end of the year to better set up the 2024-2025 season.

Moving ullmark would get them a good return to replenish the asset pool that hopefully can be some key pieces in going out and acquiring the future #1 center of this team.
 
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Mr. Make-Believe said:
I think this is entirely fair and I'm sure a sentiment that is more common that has been stated.

I think we all looked at the level of goaltending that has won the last two Cups and ask whether having two guys who are better than either of them is really the most efficient use of cap space.

But who is to say that a tandem of Swayman and Bussi would even be top half in the league? Was there something in having these two guys that made each other better that you lose going to an unknown Bussi and a guy who has never been relied upon as the #1 in the NHL?

I've been in support of a goaltender trade all off-season. But I haven't been full-throated about it. Like you, I'd be hesitant. And honestly it's a toss up as to which goaltender I'd be most comfortable moving.
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This is were I'm at exactly. I too have been advocating trading Ullmark but not for the scraps some here were happy with. Certainly not for cap space alone.

Going with a Sway/Bussi tandem is risky. Getting a vet backup is not a significant saving over what they have presently.

If I'm going to take that chance I want something significant in return.

UncleRico said:
Who said anything about doing anything significant?

If anything it looks like the team isn’t even trying to do anything significant. They are retooling this year. They signed a bunch of guys to one year deals so their money can roll off the books at the end of the year to better set up the 2024-2025 season.

Moving ullmark would get them a good return to replenish the asset pool that hopefully can be some key pieces in going out and acquiring the future #1 center of this team.
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Well if your not doing anything significant what is the point?
 
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JOKER 192 said:
This is were I'm at exactly. I too have been advocating trading Ullmark but not for the scraps some here were happy with. Certainly not for cap space alone.

Going with a Sway/Bussi tandem is risky. Getting a vet backup is not a significant saving over what they have presently.

If I'm going to take that chance I want something significant in return.


Well if your not doing anything significant what is the point?
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Well the significant part would be getting back draft capital or assets for Ullmark, that could then be used in a future trade.

It would also create more room to sign our RFAs if need be.
 
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UncleRico said:
Well the significant part would be getting back draft capital or assets for Ullmark, that could then be used in a future trade.

It would also create more room to sign our RFAs if need be.
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I'm in for that but if it was gonna happen it already would have. You originally were saying trade for cap space though.
 
ON3M4N said:
As soon as they acquired Horvat they moved Barzal to wing. You can see his FO take a HUGE dip once Horvat came to the team. How huge? He took just 2 face-offs from the time Horvat came in to the time he (Barzal) got injured. He then took zero face-offs in the playoffs.
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I had heard he was playing injured and then the 2nd injury shut him down.
 
JOKER 192 said:
I'm in for that but if it was gonna happen it already would have. You originally were saying trade for cap space though.
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Well ya because depending on arbitration we might need more cap space and it frees up 2024-2025 cap space
 
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